Codex: Chaos Space Marines (Preorder: August 5th / Release: August 12th)

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**Warhams-77**

Preorder: August 5th
Release: August 12th

Prices: see WD below

* Updates *

Point costs

http://i.4cdn.org/tg/1502196298730.png

Mazzyx wrote:
Point breakdown on miniwargaming review. Lots of down.

Bikers- 29 [25?] pts (-2 pts per model)
Cultist- 4 pts (-1 pt)
Lord in termi-105 pts
Pred-90 pts
Vindi-135 pts
Defiler-152 (60ish pt decrease)
Lord of Skulls-365 (100 pts less)
Maulerfiend-140 (9pts less)
Mutliators-50 pts
Noise Marines-15 pts (1 per guy)
Plagues-19 pts (2 per model)
Warpsmith-45 pts(-33 pts)
Abbadon-240 (-13 pts)
Kharne-160 (-13 pts)
Bloodletters/Daemonettes-7 pts (-2 per model)
Horrors-
Blue no change
brimstone-3 pts (+1)
plagues-7 pts (-1)

Weapons:
Baleflamer-30 pts (-30 pts)
Blastmaster-20 pts (-8)
Hades AC-25 (-8 pts)
Reaper-15 pts (-3 pts)
Soulreaper-15 pts (-5 pts)

Melee:
Daemonic axe-10 pts (-35 pts)
Helforged sword-10 pts (-35 pts)
L claws-8/12 (-1 pt)
plague sword-1 pt (-2 pts)
power fist-12 pts (-8 pts)

That is all the point changes.

Found here.

https://youtu.be/wQa-to_os94

Galas wrote:
Plus, Fabius Bile in the mission to do some Primaris Chaos Marines boys!

Source: https://www.lavozdehorus.com/fabius-bilis-objetivo-marines-primaris-del-caos/ (And the new CSM codex obviously)

DreamIsCollapsing wrote:
I'm the one who decipher the french leak one B&C.

Just fyi i made it with a better screen and could translate the 3 new Dark Hereticus power.

One power i coudnt decipher, maybe adding strenght to a unit.

One power to cancel Invulnerable save

One power to target a unit, roll D6, if the result is > Target thougness she take 1D3+3 mortal wound.
If the target is a character and is killed, he's transformed into a Chaos spawn (dunno if we have to take the point in army list like for the Tzeencht staff).

Take it with salt, the quality of those images are pur garbage.

Bonk_EU wrote:
So i dont know if anyone already did this but i took my phone camera and zoomed in on the picture in the white dwarf.

Black Legion: +1 to morale and when a unit with this advances all of their rapid fire guns become assault. the Example they give is rapid fire 2 -> assault 2
World Eaters: hard to read but i think it is "if a unit with this charges you can make an aditional melee attack"
Word Bearers: also hard to read but i think its "A Unit with this can reroll morale checks"
Alpha Legion: We joked about it but they did it. -1 to hit at 12" or more. Raven Guard copy paste
Night Lords: -1 leadership (for enemies) for every unit with this in 6" range
Renegades: They can advance and charge

Also theres a new special rule but i cant quite make it out. could be objective secured aswell but im not sure

Imgur-album with (of course) horrible quality and german language: http://imgur.com/a/eBLDn

Thebiggesthat wrote:
dan2026 wrote:
Thebiggesthat wrote:
Chikout wrote:
During the 24 live stream Jeremy Vetock let slip that he had seen Slaanesh stuff in the studio. This segment is mysteriously missing from the facebook archive.
I feel pretty certain that we will see emperors children next year and probably world eaters in 2019. GW seems determined to push 40k chaos as hard as they have been pushing Aos chaos.

Well the new Greater Demon is already done

Keeper of Secrets?

Yaarp. Although I still maintain the old 2nd Ed model was the pinnacle

Marius Xerxes wrote:
Iron Warriors stuff posted.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/01/legion-focus-iron-warriors-aug-1gw-homepage-post-2/

Warhams-77 wrote:
After having read the new White Dwarf, I came to the conclusion I was wrong about the Dark Hereticus psychic powers. There are 6 generic spells plus 1 for each god (except Khorne ofc). The CSM card set comes with 10 powers, Smite being the last, as shown in the advert. I will edit the 1st post accordingly.

Two more interestig things in the issue:

- In the letter section they answer a querry for more Slaanesh models with "And perhaps we'll see something soon for Slaanesh... maybe." While it is super vague why should they say this if there isn't anything ahead and why put that letter in WD if the answer to its (only) topic isn't of interest to other readers? They could have taken another letter with a different topic instead, couldn't they?

- The SM and CSM codices show the rift from two perspectives - Chaos though has something called Night Rift on it. WD: "Chaos Space Marines marks the rather alarming presence of something called the Night Rift!"

Warhams-77 wrote:
Also Cypher and the Fallen are confirmed to be in Codex: CSM by WD on page 147, Vox Chatter

Warhams-77 wrote:
War of Sigmar

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2289

Hello everyone !!

It seem that our reading of the chaos trait on our WD were not accurate.

Ben from grim resolve channel ! : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXXhl19Xr2S1v2691Qq4kBw have a different reading !!

1. Alpha Legion = -1 to hit rolls when they are more than 12" away.

2. World Eaters = Extra attack when they make a successful charge.

3. Iron Warriors = Ignore cover when shooting and (I think, I can't be 100%) re-roll saves when themselves are in cover.

4. Black Legion = +1 Ld and Rapid fire weapons count as Assault weapons if the unit advanced.

5. Emperors Children = Attack first in combat just like Slannesh daemons

6. Renegades chapters = Advance and charge

7. Word Bearers = Re-roll failed morale

8. Night Lords = -1 from enemy Ld when within 6" and can stack up to the maximum of - 3 (you could probs use the Raptors ability on top and make it drop an extra -1 too)

World Eaters have a Stratagem that allows them to fight again in the fight phase (so that would be a 3rd time for berzerkers)
As a bonus we can see a Grey knight chaplain in terminator armor (the super rare store exclusive) maybe they plan to re-release him.

@Thx ben from grim resolve !!!

/cheers.
bob.

Codex pics (french)

Spoiler:

MinscS2 wrote:
Courtesy from DreamIsCollapsing @ B&C who deciphered the french leak.

World Eater Stratagem:
Cancel a psychic power within 24" on a 4+

Emperor's Children Stratagem:
Activates in the combat phase. Each time a model of this squads kills an enemy model, he can immediately make another attack with the same weapon on the same enemy unit.

Night Lord Stratagem:
Activate when a Night Lord unit get's shot: The enemy must add -1 to hit for ranged weapons against that unit in this phase.

Alpha Legion Stratagem:
...It's the same as Raven Guard. Same CT and same Stratagem. *Yawn*

He wasn't 100% sure of the Black Legion and Word Bearer-Stratagems.

Black Legion had something about giving a squad rerolling 1's to hit during a shooting phase or combat phase, and an additional rule for Chaos Space Marine Squads (re-rolling 1's to wound as well?)

Word Bearers got to reroll their dices when summoning Daemons. Something more about doubles and triples that he couldn't decipher.

Ghaz wrote:

Come back tomorrow, when we’ll be looking at the masters of siege in the 41st Millennium – the Iron Warriors.

Quoted from WarCom

Posted 30/07/2017

Two new codexes, coming next week

One codex is pretty big news – but sometimes that’s just not enough, so how about two in one week? This coming Saturday, you’ll be able to pre-order the new codexes for the Chaos Space Marines and the Grey Knights.

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Codex: Chaos Space Marines brings some of the oldest enemies of the Imperium fully into the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 with loads of new content. The Heretic Astartes are an ancient and terrifyingly powerful force, and more so in the age of the Dark Imperium as they are empowered not only by centuries of hate and an arsenal of baleful relics but now also by the dark energies of the warp bleeding into the wider galaxy from the Cicatrix Maledictum.

The new codex represents the Chaos Space Marines in their ascendancy, allowing you to collect a force that reflects both your favourite units and Legions while remaining true to the background. Like Chapter Tactics, the Chaos Legions are getting new rules of their own to represent how they fight, as well as unique Stratagems, Warlord Traits and artefacts. You’ll be able to build powerful themed armies, from rebellious packs of Renegades to furious forces of World Eaters, and from terrifying battalions of Night Lords to the depraved duelists of the Emperor’s Children. There are 9 psychic powers too, as well as updated points costs, datasheets and much much more – we’ll be taking a closer look at each Legion every day next week, starting tomorrow.

[...]

The new codexes and units will be available to pre-order on August the 5th – in the meantime, we’ll be previewing all of them right here on the Warhammer Community website. You can get rules for the Hellblasters and the Intercessors in the new Space Marines codex, or start collecting Grey Knights or Chaos Space Marines today.

- Quoted from the GK thread

Quickjager wrote:
Codex Pre-order August 5th

aracersss wrote:
someone has all info in both languages
https://www.lavozdehorus.com/primeras-imagenes-contenido-del-codex-marines-espaciales-del-caos/

* Original post *

While browsing the iStore I saw that Codex: CSM was there to be preordered.

According to the entry Codex: CSM will be available on August 22nd, but as this is going to be a Tuesday, it is most likely not the correct date. The price is 24.99 EUR (ebook).

The photos in the ebook do not show new miniatures. So CSM in Power armour, Terminators, Abaddon, Berzerkers, Possessed etc are all the currently available models.

Alpha Legion, Black Legion, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Night Lords, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors get rules in the book

- 45 datasheets
- 24 stratagems (7 are legion specific)
- 8 Legion Traits (7 for the original Legions + 1 for Renegades)
- 6 generic WL Traits + 7 Legion-specific traits
- 6 Tactical objectives
- 14 artefacts and weapons only available to CSM
- [Edit:] 9 Dark Hereticus powers: 1 for Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh plus 6 generic spells

Source of info is GW on the iStore. Check the entry and download the sample

**Colpicklejar**

What "photos available" were these?

**gigasnail**

Picturesssss please!

**zalak**

Eh what leaks?

**Kanluwen**

Can confirm this. It's still on the iTunes store right now; nothing new or exceedingly nifty.

**Warhams-77**

I updated the op with everything I found.

**Kirasu**

Still no new Abaddon model? Such a missed opportunity (as it was during fall of cadia). Bunch of Primaris captain characters with useless options but still no leader of the Black Crusades.

Other than that, looks to be as expected.

**Warhams-77**

Yes, this looks like a minimal release. There could be a surprise or two, not shown in the sample. Who knows.

Expect the same for Grey Knights. Maybe some reboxed models here and there. But that should be it.

**Dionysodorus**

So this is basically confirmation of a Thousand Sons codex at some point, since only they and Death Guard don't get rules here.

I expect that the model releases will be Death Guard. Like how they're right now in the middle of releasing a Space Marine and a Grey Knights codex with lots of Primaris releases. It's too early to say if they've really got a pattern but it would make sense if they want to release the codices in major/minor pairs with model releases for only one, since they're releasing them so quickly.

**Kirasu**

I bet if we plaster pictures of the current Khorne Berserkers all over GW HQ they'd realize why they need new models.

**Warhams-77**

I don't think the codex book releases will be pairs but that GW mixes small releases and larger ones like they did in 7th Edition.

There will definitely be a separate Codex for Thousand Sons, they are not in this book.

**Ghaz**

Warhams-77 wrote:
While browsing the iStore I saw that Codex: CSM was there to be preordered.

According to the entry Codex: CSM will be available August 22nd, price is 24.99 EUR (ebook). Preorder should be on the 15th of August.

The 22nd (and 15th) of August is a Tuesday...

**Warhams-77**

Just saw this too. It is what the site says though. I will edit it

**spiralingcadaver**

Kirasu wrote:
I bet if we plaster pictures of the current Khorne Berserkers all over GW HQ they'd realize why they need new models.

Ha! Yeah, those models were the best in the plastic chaos range when they came out, but that was also, like, 15-20 years ago.

**BrianDavion**

I'm gonna call it here, Death Guard'll be in late augest early september, and we'll actually see the plastic plague marine box come out with the chaos space marines codex.

**Azreal13**

I got published 5th Aug on the U.K. Store.

But also says expected 22nd.

Maybe that's an error and it's pre-order 5th for a 12th (12 being one digit out from 22)

**Warhams-77**

Azreal13 wrote:
I got published 5th Aug on the U.K. Store.

^^ ?

**Azreal13**

Edited, but it definitely says published 5th, but expected 22nd?

**Warhams-77**

5th and 12th of August would fit, both Saturdays.

**Eldenfirefly**

Not expecting anything too earthshaking really. For all we know, they will just take most of it from the legion book and adapt it into this new codex.

So, black legion gets something that either makes them deep strike better or hit better (their VOTLW rule).

World Eaters legion maybe gets something like furious charge.

Iron warriors maybe get a 6+ FNP

That sort of thing. Just take all the artifacts already in the legion book and adapt them to 8th ed. Wouldn't be surprised if that's what they do.

**Daedalus81**

Dionysodorus wrote:
So this is basically confirmation of a Thousand Sons codex at some point, since only they and Death Guard don't get rules here.

I'm also slightly inclined to say that this means Thousand Sons will be getting more kits.

**Tiberius501**

5th is a Saturday, but won't the Primaris releases still be happening that week? This weekend should be announcing the tank, chaplain and apothecary releases while the 5th will most likely be the last 3 units going up for pre-order. I guess they could announce the GK andCSM codexes then and release them both on the 12th but that seems far too close together. But I guess it could happen

**Matt.Kingsley**

Tiberius501 wrote:
5th is a Saturday, but won't the Primaris releases still be happening that week? This weekend should be announcing the tank, chaplain and apothecary releases while the 5th will most likely be the last 3 units going up for pre-order. I guess they could announce the GK andCSM codexes then and release them both on the 12th but that seems far too close together. But I guess it could happen

Pretty sure that's kind of what happened for Age of Sigmar with Blades of Khorne and the major release (Kharadon Overlords iirc?).
It's just that this time it'll be a major release (Vanilla Marines) + GK & CSMs

**Grot 6**

They were discussing the releases of the base Army expansions. There was no discussion of the CHAOS ONLY!!!! codex.

So far, the Deathguard are getting their own. I haven't heard anything about expansive released, aside fro m the next couple of months, which seem to capitalize on the basic army boxed set. Space Marines, regular and king sized, and Deathguard.

**aracersss**

someone has all info in both languages
https://www.lavozdehorus.com/primeras-imagenes-contenido-del-codex-marines-espaciales-del-caos/

**Eldarain**

"We want to bring Chaos back to the fore as the core narrative threat" gakky outdated plastics that are older than the target audience and a mailed in early book again...

**Red Corsair**

Eldarain wrote:
"We want to bring Chaos back to the fore as the core narrative threat" gakky outdated plastics that are older than the target audience and a mailed in early book again...

Meh, just mix calth/prospero plastic marine parts and chaos warrior helmets in and presto. I know it takes a bit f effort but at least your guys will all be unique rather then have that built from box look. Which is what chaos should look like.

I am more worried about the options we lose. Judging from the marine release we can expect bike characters and none existent combi weapons to vanish lol.

**Eldarain**

I'm already doing that

it's everything though. 2nd edition characters. Havocs/Terminators. The lack of support will cut us deeper when the "no plastic kit" cull happens too.

**Sersi**

Red Corsair wrote:
Eldarain wrote:
"We want to bring Chaos back to the fore as the core narrative threat" gakky outdated plastics that are older than the target audience and a mailed in early book again...

Meh, just mix calth/prospero plastic marine parts and chaos warrior helmets in and presto. I know it takes a bit f effort but at least your guys will all be unique rather then have that built from box look. Which is what chaos should look like.

I am more worried about the options we lose. Judging from the marine release we can expect bike characters and none existent combi weapons to vanish lol.

This. I'm not sure I want any new chaos marine sculpts. I'm not keen on the aesthetics of new Deathguard, Dark Vengeance box set, or Helbrute. I much prefer the look of the early corrupted legions as opposed to the heavily mutated look they're pushing now. I fully intend to convert up some Primaris marines with FW shoulder pads, and helmets when I restart my Emperors Children. I haven't seen it done yet but, I'm sure you could convert some amazing Berserkers from Primaris and some AOS Khorne parts.

**BrianDavion**

Sersi wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Eldarain wrote:
"We want to bring Chaos back to the fore as the core narrative threat" gakky outdated plastics that are older than the target audience and a mailed in early book again...

Meh, just mix calth/prospero plastic marine parts and chaos warrior helmets in and presto. I know it takes a bit f effort but at least your guys will all be unique rather then have that built from box look. Which is what chaos should look like.

I am more worried about the options we lose. Judging from the marine release we can expect bike characters and none existent combi weapons to vanish lol.

This. I'm not sure I want any new chaos marine sculpts. I'm not keen on the aesthetics of new Deathguard, Dark Vengeance box set, or Helbrute. I much prefer the look of the early corrupted legions as opposed to the heavily mutated look they're pushing now. I fully intend to convert up some Primaris marines with FW shoulder pads, and helmets when I restart my Emperors Children. I haven't seen it done yet but, I'm sure you could convert some amazing Berserkers from Primaris and some AOS Khorne parts.

the HH stuff is defiantly gonna be a god send, I'm sitting on 3 squads of MK 3 armor I'm thinking will be the core of a force of Iron warriors. (as my original Iron warriors CSMs where some of my first attempts at painting)