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1/4 of an arbitrary size is not a scale, it's a smaller arbitrary size.

That would mean that an AT Primaris would be... a bit more than 10mm in height. It would also make a Rhino almost an inch and a half long... that feels a tad too much, IMHO, for the kind of game that Epic is.

 Albertorius wrote:
That would mean that an AT Primaris would be... a bit more than 10mm in height. It would also make a Rhino almost an inch and a half long... that feels a tad too much, IMHO, for the kind of game that Epic is.

Well, that's the size they will be if they ever make them. The 'one fourth' principle has been clearly stated.

That's ok. It simply means I probably won't need to bother much with them ^^

Played a few great games of AT this weekend at Blood and Glory. Nothing to report in terms of rumours though, sadly. The knights were on sale but I didn't get any, since apparently there's a battleforce inbound.

Too bad. But we should be approaching the three month window now if things are on the way during the month of February.

Thanks for trying Mandragola.

Oh well, thats that then. I suppose there are other games to catch up on in the mean time...

https://warhammerworld.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2019/11/AT-Events-Pack-Legio-Walks-NB.pdf

Only 1 knight per maniple. Household force can have 1 acastus as seneschal banner and 1 freeblade acastus..

RIP SPAM, should've just hide behind a skyscrapper instead to not get blasted.

That's hars and bad way to deal with acastus issue. Bleh. Trust GW to make poor tournament rules.

Is it really going to take FW until Febrary to send out a quick FAQ to address the Acastus points issue?

Absolutely no reason to restrict the use of the Acastus.

SamusDrake wrote:
Is it really going to take FW until Febrary to send out a quick FAQ to address the Acastus points issue?

Absolutely no reason to restrict the use of the Acastus.

What's funny/sad is about the same time the acastus came out and had issues in AT, the 28mm scale version got hit with the nerf bat repeatedly in the updated 8th ed fw knight rules.

Yes, they do seem to go from one extreme to the other.

To think we were saying that a knight army was not powerful enough to stand up to a Titan force, and now here we with a Knight that can spam titans into submission.

H.B.M.C. calls it...The Pendulum.

And it is real!

Riiiiiiggghhhttt...

That is the most awkward means of dealing with the Acastus situation that ice ever seen.

Also one of the most backhanded ways of admitting to the issue.

However, that does at least acknowledge that there's an issue, so eventually it will be fixed.

Rob Crouchley, the guy who you see commentating on AT battles on the twitch stream, has written some alternate Porphyrion rules. He basically halved all the numbers for the main guns, so they have 24” range and 2 shots instead of 48” and 4. And 4 shots at 20” for the missile pod, with no rapid trait.

We used these rules at Blood and Glory the other weekend. Same durability and cost and they seemed pretty fair.

What I would say in Warhammer World’s defence is that they’re not the people who write the rules. Also, this event is a narrative campaign – emphatically not a tournament. They are trying to create a fun environment, not a competitive one, and so they have limited a fun-killing unit. Hopefully the Acastus will be fixed before the event, preferably using Rob’s rules, and we can carry on.

To be honest I think that knights are generally a problem in AT. They sort of feel like they’re playing a different game – one without all the stuff that makes AT AT. Things like reactor management, turns, boosting for speed and shields make titans’s rules really crunchy. Knights totally ignore all that stuff and just zerg you – generally without much hope of success.

Mandragola wrote:

To be honest I think that knights are generally a problem in AT. They sort of feel like they’re playing a different game – one without all the stuff that makes AT AT. Things like reactor management, turns, boosting for speed and shields make titans’s rules really crunchy. Knights totally ignore all that stuff and just zerg you – generally without much hope of success.

Well, certainly not if they nerf the Acastus into uselessness as you're advocating.

I think it's telling that 9/10 people I see claiming the Acastus is some game-breaking horror end up just being generally of the view that Knights don't belong in AT.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Mandragola wrote:

To be honest I think that knights are generally a problem in AT. They sort of feel like they’re playing a different game – one without all the stuff that makes AT AT. Things like reactor management, turns, boosting for speed and shields make titans’s rules really crunchy. Knights totally ignore all that stuff and just zerg you – generally without much hope of success.

Well, certainly not if they nerf the Acastus into uselessness as you're advocating.

I think it's telling that 9/10 people I see claiming the Acastus is some game-breaking horror end up just being generally of the view that Knights don't belong in AT.

I think this is where you need to share your game experiences playing with and against Acastus, rather than just lob junk like that into the conversation.

 gorgon wrote:


I think this is where you need to share your game experiences playing with and against Acastus, rather than just lob junk like that into the conversation.

For me, I've used a pair of Acastus Porphyrion knights in a game once. They flattened two squadrons of 2 warhounds, a bunch of Cerastus knights and pummeled a Reaver. They were untouched for the entire game and sat there bombarding everything they could. Me and my opponent agreed to restrict usage and only take one if the other player takes one.

Aside from the boring Knight rule in this game, there can never be a balance between Knights and the current Titans trio. Knights (and watever new things GW/FW made) outgunned, outmatch the decade old Titan that never got a redesign to match the modern technology, because the old players/titan owners might be upset.

All hope lies into the never seen before Titans now, the warmonger is a good start.

I don't understand your point - can you clarify?

I'm not sure of his point either, especially considering how the models in this edition are WAY bigger than the originals. The new Warlock is as big as the old Imperator Titan was. So its hardly as if GW was worried about the original models sold over a decade ago now.

There might be some imbalance between knights and warlords ,but that can be resolved with adjustments to the balance of the game. Purely a numbers thing not a model thing.

He probably means the ridiculous arms race in GW models, always packing more and more guns on ever smaller models, leaving old centrepieces lackluster and weak in comparison.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
He probably means the ridiculous arms race in GW models, always packing more and more guns on ever smaller models, leaving old centrepieces lackluster and weak in comparison.

Rather than giving new models more weapons, they should focus on giving the existing weapons more punch or unique effects, etc...

I thought consensus was that GW only really screwed up with the Acastus though?

And wasn’t that the last Knight out the door?

The Acastus is an outlier, yes.

New Warlord Carapace Weapons today:

nice

Still not the Knight battleforce then. Does anyone know the ETA and contents?

JWBS wrote:
Still not the Knight battleforce then. Does anyone know the ETA and contents?

Looking at the leaked upcoming releases, reckon we'll see the pre-order annoucement this Sunday

Oooooo! Shiny on the new Warlord weapons.