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Yeah I am kinda surprised people haven't mentioned this yet. I mean it is a small blurb but GW would not write something like this for no reason. From the new CSM codex when bell of lost souls had an article about the chaos primarchs.

I really hope we get a miniature of him, I believe in a live stream they confirmed demon Fulgrim is coming, so anything is possible.

I had always thought it would be interesting of Lorgar came back trying to redeem himself, but became an enemy of the Ecclesiarchy and had a sort of Renegade Marine army.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I had always thought it would be interesting of Lorgar came back trying to redeem himself, but became an enemy of the Ecclesiarchy and had a sort of Renegade Marine army.

As much as I like Lorgar I think he's one of the most irredeemable of the traitor primarchs seeing as he willing gave himself to chaos.

If I recall correctly word bearers have been butting heads with the black templars in the space marine codex.

 shinros wrote:
If I recall correctly word bearers have been butting heads with the black templars in the space marine codex.

Do you know which page? I can't seem to find it.

IFC_Casting wrote:

 shinros wrote:
If I recall correctly word bearers have been butting heads with the black templars in the space marine codex.

Do you know which page? I can't seem to find it.

I don't own the codex but I recall it was on war of sigmar atia blog site on the summary of codex space marine. Of course you own it so you might have more knowledge on the matter but it should be in the black templar section somewhere or the timeline.

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/2268

Black Templars:

-When the Great Rift opened, a horde of traitor forces began targeting Imperial Shrine Worlds for destruction, led by the Word Bearers. The Black Templars commit themselves to defending these holy places from the traitor marines and several crusades are launched to drive the traitors back. The BT take heavy losses but hold the line against the enemy.

-The Black Templars are called upon to put down a rebellion on a planet. As they fight they discover that the enemy is managing to put more soldiers on the field faster than they can kill them. Realizing the planet was damned as most of its population was turning against them, the BT are forced to exterminate the entire population to put an end to the threat.

They really should move on with the 13th black crusade and have new crusade's launched by the various demon primarchs. That would be more interesting than always Abbaddon and his black legion.

So, Lorgar can launch a massive one at the head of an organised and massive army and the new "faith" wars could easily span an entire edition.

And then Angron or other demon primarchs can have their turn.

Personally I think we have seen two too many Primarchs already but, as that battle is already lost, I think they should be very careful with how they bring him back to avoid repeating the same story for every Primarch.

Lorgar was a great builder and shaper of civilisation in the Great Crusade, it would be interesting to see him represent a more constructive side of Chaos in the story going forward.
We have seen some quite advanced civilisations based around the worship of Chaos in the past. If Lorgar were to not just conquer but show that civilisation based on a Chaotic theocracy is better than Robute's Imperium, that would present a far more interesting and insidious existential threat to the Imperium and would ultimatly vindicate what Lorgar was trying to do in the Great Crusade.

I am puzzled about the statement in the OP about "atoning for his deeds". Clearly he is not repenting of turning to Chaos so what does this statement mean? Does it just refer to his failure to completely destroy the Imperium during the Horus Heresy?

As for Primarchs on the battlefield, we will be seeing all the living ones I am sure. Most of the Traitor Primarchs have been biding their time in the EoT. The loyalist ones mostly disappeared under mysterious circumstances and could turn up again just as easily. Only Horus, Curze, Ferrus and Sanguinius seem to be truly dead (and I know they have a get-out-of-jail-free card in the case of Sanguinius).

Speaking of Primarchs, here comes Mortarion.

I wonder what implications it would have for Kor Phaeron and Erebus. They have made their own power plays and have their own followings in the Legions and have maximised this during the absence of Lorgar. Another culling of the unfaithful perhaps.

A schism. Orthodox and Reformed Word bearers.

The bit about Lorgar going into seclusion is not new. The Word Bearers novels by Anthony Reynolds had the first mention of Lorgar's self imposed seclusion after completing a new temple complex on his daemon world Sicarus.

My headcanon was always that maybe time flowed differently so Lorgar subjectively just went through a short meditation while thousands of years passed outside.

 Kroem wrote:
Personally I think we have seen two too many Primarchs already but, as that battle is already lost, I think they should be very careful with how they bring him back to avoid repeating the same story for every Primarch.

Lorgar was a great builder and shaper of civilisation in the Great Crusade, it would be interesting to see him represent a more constructive side of Chaos in the story going forward.
We have seen some quite advanced civilisations based around the worship of Chaos in the past. If Lorgar were to not just conquer but show that civilisation based on a Chaotic theocracy is better than Robute's Imperium, that would present a far more interesting and insidious existential threat to the Imperium and would ultimatly vindicate what Lorgar was trying to do in the Great Crusade.

I agree


That is how Lorgar would go about a crusade across the IoM. Slow and methodical, converting planets into a theocratic paradise with massive temples and cloisters to the dark gods.

 Karhedron wrote:
I am puzzled about the statement in the OP about "atoning for his deeds". Clearly he is not repenting of turning to Chaos so what does this statement mean? Does it just refer to his failure to completely destroy the Imperium during the Horus Heresy?

As for Primarchs on the battlefield, we will be seeing all the living ones I am sure. Most of the Traitor Primarchs have been biding their time in the EoT. The loyalist ones mostly disappeared under mysterious circumstances and could turn up again just as easily. Only Horus, Curze, Ferrus and Sanguinius seem to be truly dead (and I know they have a get-out-of-jail-free card in the case of Sanguinius).

Speaking of Primarchs, here comes Mortarion.

My guess is he is atoning to the blessed four for losing the Battle of Terra.

What peaks my curiosity, is that it is written that Abbadon struck deals with each of the Chaos Primarchs, including Lorgar. If he has been in seclusion, how was the deal stuck?

 Supertony51 wrote:

What peaks my curiosity, is that it is written that Abbadon struck deals with each of the Chaos Primarchs, including Lorgar. If he has been in seclusion, how was the deal stuck?

Maybe he was still reading his emails.

I love Lorgar I hope we see a model for him in the near future! Here's hoping that he takes Horus' place and leads a new crusade!


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 Kroem wrote:

Lorgar was a great builder and shaper of civilisation in the Great Crusade, it would be interesting to see him represent a more constructive side of Chaos in the story going forward.
We have seen some quite advanced civilisations based around the worship of Chaos in the past. If Lorgar were to not just conquer but show that civilisation based on a Chaotic theocracy is better than Robute's Imperium, that would present a far more interesting and insidious existential threat to the Imperium and would ultimatly vindicate what Lorgar was trying to do in the Great Crusade.

I wonder if this will make him crash with the other Legions goal of simply destroying the Imperium? As Lorgar seems to want to shepherd them over to the chaos gods, and regularly sacrifice them.

 Supertony51 wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:
I am puzzled about the statement in the OP about "atoning for his deeds". Clearly he is not repenting of turning to Chaos so what does this statement mean? Does it just refer to his failure to completely destroy the Imperium during the Horus Heresy?

As for Primarchs on the battlefield, we will be seeing all the living ones I am sure. Most of the Traitor Primarchs have been biding their time in the EoT. The loyalist ones mostly disappeared under mysterious circumstances and could turn up again just as easily. Only Horus, Curze, Ferrus and Sanguinius seem to be truly dead (and I know they have a get-out-of-jail-free card in the case of Sanguinius).

Speaking of Primarchs, here comes Mortarion.

My guess is he is atoning to the blessed four for losing the Battle of Terra.

What peaks my curiosity, is that it is written that Abbadon struck deals with each of the Chaos Primarchs, including Lorgar. If he has been in seclusion, how was the deal stuck?

it might be a degree of seclusion, for example, GW likes to borrow pretty heavily off medieval history etc for 40k, and it's worth noting that Hermits in the middle ages where not completely cut off from society. some where partiuclarly popular ones who actually did get a n umber of high profile vistors, and occasionally they'd be willing to actually speak to them and give advice etc. so Lorgar may have been willing to entertain the odd guest in his seclusion, notably ones that partiuclarly intrigued him, or he belived may have been "divinely important somehow"