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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/08/10/codex-space-marines-errata-now-available/


Codex: Space Marines has been out for more than a week now, and many of you have already been getting stuck in with building armies, planning your Chapter Tactics and finding the best combinations in the book.

We want to make sure that the codex works as well for you as it possibly can, and today, we’re releasing an errata with some minor changes to the book. For the most part, this is about making sure you get access to all of your wargear; Sergeants can now take melta bombs again, while various weapons now have points costs for use in your matched play games.



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Thanks!

And also FFS, I just got the damned book yesterday.

   
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Tactical Sgts got their Combi-Grav back. Are we done with the Sgt. combi-weapon freakout now?

   
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 Azazelx wrote:
Thanks!

And also FFS, I just got the damned book yesterday.

Isn't this a good thing, as now your book is now updated?

I guess I like the idea of playing games much more than playing them... 
   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
Tactical Sgts got their Combi-Grav back. Are we done with the Sgt. combi-weapon freakout now?

Confirmed, Sgt. combi-weapon freakout terminated.

New freakout will be inbound shortly.

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Mortarion's Herald wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
Thanks!

And also FFS, I just got the damned book yesterday.

Isn't this a good thing, as now your book is now updated?



Digital codexes might be worth getting as they hopefully get updated with rules changes. Book codexes are "not worth it" since the book is outdated before it's even released. You should get your white out ready or get ready to print FAQs for your physical books.
I'd say print the digital version and when an update comes out print out the new pages and throw away the old ones.

Book codexes are an outdated format, especially since there are always so many problems with the rules with their bad quality control.

But if you don't mind spending money on a book that will need to be edited or FAQ printed within weeks.



A service you can sign into that has all codexes with the latest versions on them with release versions listed and that you can print out would be the best solution.
Then you could check if your printed codex is the latest by simply comparing release version numbers.

   
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'Bad Quality Control'

1 line, maybe 6 words missing from a book of thousands is 'bad quality control'?
   
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 Prometheum5 wrote:
Tactical Sgts got their Combi-Grav back. Are we done with the Sgt. combi-weapon freakout now?


Without that "freak out", you'd have even more substandard customization options in the codex. The squeaky wheel gets the grease and some folks actually want expected value for their money spent. Sixth and Seventh editions were the era of folks apparently like yourself content to just pay for whatever GW comes out with and it resulted in the shortest and most reviled editions (respectively) in 40k history. You're welcome.


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BroodSpawn wrote:
'Bad Quality Control'

1 line, maybe 6 words missing from a book of thousands is 'bad quality control'?


Are you sure that is the only mistake in the entire book? I'm not sure it was a editing fail or rather a rules design fail in the vein of the decreased customization options for primaris. I don't own the book so can't comment on the editing/quality control itself but I've definitely been disappointed with the rules/game design aspect personally and consider that to be a fail.

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I'm not sure that follows. Are you claiming this errata added combi-grav guns to the sergeant's equipment list because there was a big fuss? As opposed to adding it in because it should always have been there?
   
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Still not removed the restriction on primaris and land raiders then? Or repulsor and regular marines...

   
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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I'm not sure that follows. Are you claiming this errata added combi-grav guns to the sergeant's equipment list because there was a big fuss? As opposed to adding it in because it should always have been there?


I'm saying that without a fuss GW wouldn't have bothered fixing it. Please refer back to the 6th/7th edition period where they just left stuff like that in without changing it leaving gakky, incomplete, and unbalanced books with one page errata that cherry picked meaningless questions half the time while not touching the real issues brought up.

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I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make it so the ravenguard strat could only be used once per game. Ah well.
   
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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Mortarion's Herald wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
Thanks!

And also FFS, I just got the damned book yesterday.

Isn't this a good thing, as now your book is now updated?



Digital codexes might be worth getting as they hopefully get updated with rules changes. Book codexes are "not worth it" since the book is outdated before it's even released. You should get your white out ready or get ready to print FAQs for your physical books.
I'd say print the digital version and when an update comes out print out the new pages and throw away the old ones.

Book codexes are an outdated format, especially since there are always so many problems with the rules with their bad quality control.

But if you don't mind spending money on a book that will need to be edited or FAQ printed within weeks.



A service you can sign into that has all codexes with the latest versions on them with release versions listed and that you can print out would be the best solution.
Then you could check if your printed codex is the latest by simply comparing release version numbers.


I think there's still value to the hardcover books because of the fluff and hobby stuff, but I don't see the value in going halfway with the digital solution. Why even have it on printed paper in the first place? I just don't agree with the solution you provided. A service to access a digital version of the book doesn't go far enough to take advantage of the data sheet design. That's technically where all the rules are, and the rest like relics, stratagems, and warlord traits are all being provided with small cards currently.

Build an app that allows searching by keyword and shows all the data sheets. Maybe it includes an army builder and you have the same thing that's far more portable and doesn't unnecessarily kill trees or require you to carry around anything. Let players share army lists seamlessly and post comments. Maybe have a section for randomly selecting deployment and mission. Tie into the warhammer community blog and include a landing page for warhammer tv. One stop app for everything.

Doesn't fully invalidate the book codex if they want to stagger the release window.
   
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jcd386 wrote:I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make it so the ravenguard strat could only be used once per game. Ah well.

Errata, not FAQ.

Formosa wrote:Still not removed the restriction on primaris and land raiders then? Or repulsor and regular marines...

Errata, not FAQ.

Also this is clearly as designed. Why would you possibly think that would be errata'd?
   
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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Digital codexes might be worth getting as they hopefully get updated with rules changes. Book codexes are "not worth it" since the book is outdated before it's even released. You should get your white out ready or get ready to print FAQs for your physical books.
I'd say print the digital version and when an update comes out print out the new pages and throw away the old ones.

Book codexes are an outdated format, especially since there are always so many problems with the rules with their bad quality control.

But if you don't mind spending money on a book that will need to be edited or FAQ printed within weeks.

A service you can sign into that has all codexes with the latest versions on them with release versions listed and that you can print out would be the best solution.
Then you could check if your printed codex is the latest by simply comparing release version numbers.

Last I heard they were not updating the digital books. It was part of the reason I held off on purchasing the digital and bought hard copy instead. Has this changed?

I guess I like the idea of playing games much more than playing them... 
   
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Mortarion's Herald wrote:

Last I heard they were not updating the digital books. It was part of the reason I held off on purchasing the digital and bought hard copy instead. Has this changed?


You might have to be specific as to which type of digital product you bought exactly. From what I heard (not first hand knowledge) during 6th/7th, there was at least a period of time where the ibook interactive codices were being updated but not the older style pdf/epub versions.


 
   
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 Silentz wrote:
jcd386 wrote:I'm kinda disappointed they didn't make it so the ravenguard strat could only be used once per game. Ah well.

Errata, not FAQ.



It would be a rules change, not a clarification. RAW you can do it as much as you want. Just like they added to the relic one in this errata, they could have done the RG one. It's quite possible they want you to be able to use it more than once, though, it just seems really powerful to me.
   
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Mortarion's Herald wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
Thanks!

And also FFS, I just got the damned book yesterday.

Isn't this a good thing, as now your book is now updated?


It's a good thing that they're responsive. It pisses me off that my rather expensive, brand-new, new release book, which is still shrink-wrapped, needed errata. I'm annoyed about their typically-sloppy proofreading and editing, not their new responsiveness to errors.

   
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I would honestly think most rule books of this size would need at least some errata.

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 warboss wrote:
 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I'm not sure that follows. Are you claiming this errata added combi-grav guns to the sergeant's equipment list because there was a big fuss? As opposed to adding it in because it should always have been there?


I'm saying that without a fuss GW wouldn't have bothered fixing it. Please refer back to the 6th/7th edition period where they just left stuff like that in without changing it leaving gakky, incomplete, and unbalanced books with one page errata that cherry picked meaningless questions half the time while not touching the real issues brought up.



GW claims they're turning over a new leaf with 8th edition and are going to be communicating better. I'm gonna take em at their word until they prove otherwise. and I'd suggest others do the same, being negitive and hostile even when they're doing good, screaming at them for not being uber perfect (and I yet again challange people to find a single game, Table top or RPG, hell I'll even throw CCG into the mix that does not have errata) is silly. an overly toxic atmosphere is just gonna make GW stop communicating again.


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 Azazelx wrote:
Mortarion's Herald wrote:
 Azazelx wrote:
Thanks!

And also FFS, I just got the damned book yesterday.

Isn't this a good thing, as now your book is now updated?


It's a good thing that they're responsive. It pisses me off that my rather expensive, brand-new, new release book, which is still shrink-wrapped, needed errata. I'm annoyed about their typically-sloppy proofreading and editing, not their new responsiveness to errors.


I've seen more errata for much smaller books. the errata clarifies one partiuclar entries text, and basicly fixes some typos.

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BroodSpawn wrote:
'Bad Quality Control'

1 line, maybe 6 words missing from a book of thousands is 'bad quality control'?
Honestly? Yeah. A few bits of incorrect punctuation is something I wouldn't mind since they're usually just less correct rather than actually wrong, but yeah, that's bad QC. Is it bad QC as compared to the industry? Not really. Is it bad compared to FW? Certainly not. Are there errors that mean the text fails to convey meaning they were attempting to communicate? Yep.


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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
BroodSpawn wrote:
'Bad Quality Control'

1 line, maybe 6 words missing from a book of thousands is 'bad quality control'?
Honestly? Yeah. A few bits of incorrect punctuation is something I wouldn't mind since they're usually just less correct rather than actually wrong, but yeah, that's bad QC. Is it bad QC as compared to the industry? Not really. Is it bad compared to FW? Certainly not. Are there errors that mean the text fails to convey meaning they were attempting to communicate? Yep.

If you've worked in publishing you'd know that catching typos is a lot harder than it looks.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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I have, it is, and that doesn't excuse it. Lots of work takes lots of work, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it well.


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Malifice wrote:
No points reduction on Devestator centurions.

Assault cents (same stats, no weapons for either) cost 50 PPM while Devs cost 80 PPM.

Its weird.

No it isn't. A couple guys that want to slowly wander up to punch you in the face aren't nearly worth as much as guys with a pile of heavy weapons strapped to them. Even though weapons and units have separate costs, some units still have their weapon costs baked into them. Its why eldar costs are so weird- dark reapers and fire dragons are cheaper per body than guardians, despite having better stat lines, and despite the hefty prices on their weapons.

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I think they may be pushing the codex releases a bit too fast, causing such errors. However, while the error was made it is a good thing they made an effort to fix it. Hopefully this means they are also aware of the problem and take steps to prevent it from happening in the future.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think they may be pushing the codex releases a bit too fast, causing such errors. However, while the error was made it is a good thing they made an effort to fix it. Hopefully this means they are also aware of the problem and take steps to prevent it from happening in the future.


I dunno if those are the only errors that crept into the book I'd say it's pretty damn good

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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I have, it is, and that doesn't excuse it. Lots of work takes lots of work, that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it well.


Thank you.

I've defended the "new" GW plenty in the last year or two, but proofreading is proofreading. I do a hell of a lot of it in my job, and have even been pulled from my normal duties at times to spend days proofing (and rewriting) others' reports that have to be sent externally - which then are proofed again by people in the organisation above myself. And I'm not even in the publishing business, nor working (or paid!) as an editor. True, rulebooks are complex documents, and tens of thousands of player will pick up every error as they swarm over a document like ants. GW might be better than a lot of others, but they're also a large company who is able to afford multiple editors and ideally, layers of editing, so what SC writes above remains pertinent regardless. FW seems to have a lot of the advantages of a large company, while also maintaining a lot of the disadvantages of a small shop.

I may be coming across as a lot angrier than I am here. The fact is that I'm simply a bit annoyed because I expect that a company with so much invested in their writing and publishing arm should (should) have better QA/QC. As I've said a few times, I think it's a Good Thing (tm) that they're now so much more responsive.

   
 
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