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Can Greater Daemons create lesser daemons without their god helping them? Furthermore, can they retain power over one that they created or can they have a kind of private army of lesser daemons? Thanks!

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Well Great Unclean Ones spawn Nurglings from their guts, so clearly Greater Daemons can create lesser Daemons.

Without their god helping them? That's more difficult to answer. Whether daemons even truly have free will is kinda fuzzy.

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Apparently, daemons are an extension of the patron Gods power. So probably not.

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I don't see why not. A daemon is made when a chaos God splits off a portion of themselves and gives it consciousness. I don't see why a smaller portion can't do the same thing.

Whether they would or not i'm not sure. It'd be risky. If you're a God you've got power to spare. If your a Greater Daemon you'd probably notice if a bit of you goes wandering off on its own..

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I presume so, as I read somewhere that the Chaos Gods and their Daemons are essentially the same thing; the god's own identity is simply the most powerful (by an innumerable margin) among them. Basically, there is no difference between Khorne and an impossibly huge and powerful Bloodthirster, and if a Blood Thirster got demoted enough, he'd turn into a bloodletter.

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 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Basically, there is no difference between Khorne and an impossibly huge and powerful Bloodthirster, and if a Blood Thirster got demoted enough, he'd turn into a bloodletter.


So by extension a Bloodthirster is vastly more Khorne than a Bloodletter and those would follow him if he said so (and Khorne had no objection)? Commanding a huge mass of lesser demons into doing what their patron deity does would probably be nothing out of the ordinary for a greater demon of that deity, or the lessers he just gave orders, and thus both acceptable and proper.

Whether a greater demon can create lesser demons is another question. Some, like the Great Unclean One, creates least demons but the main lesser force of Nurgle are Plaguebearers, aren't they?
   
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It depends on the type of Daemon I think. I don't think even nurgle can create plaguebearers; they only come into existence when someone dies of Nurgle's Rot and is in the throes of despair. (well technically Nurgle created the Rot, but still). Other ones like Horrors apparently just poofs into existence (then again, Horrors are just malformed lumps of sentient warp energy, even moreso than the other daemons). Greater Daemons, at least, can only be created by the respective chaos gods tearing a chunk off of himself if I recall (with the exception of Kugath, who was apparently a unique case), but the rest are a tossup depending on how they are created.

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 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
It depends on the type of Daemon I think. I don't think even nurgle can create plaguebearers; they only come into existence when someone dies of Nurgle's Rot and is in the throes of despair. (well technically Nurgle created the Rot, but still). Other ones like Horrors apparently just poofs into existence (then again, Horrors are just malformed lumps of sentient warp energy, even moreso than the other daemons). Greater Daemons, at least, can only be created by the respective chaos gods tearing a chunk off of himself if I recall (with the exception of Kugath, who was apparently a unique case), but the rest are a tossup depending on how they are created.


I always interpreted that as the method by which they can manifest in realspace, rather than how they are actually created.

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Now, if a Greater Daemon were to act as a conduit for the parent God's power that is a different story and would work.

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I think they can. Great Unclean Ones seem to be able to spawn Nurglings and in Age of Sigmar I think we see Skarbrand create Bloodletters.
   
 
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