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Sadly the KS has been ended and it appears that Spartan Games have closed doors.

http://www.spartangames.co.uk/spartan-games

This is a huge shock; whilst there was writing on the walls that there were problems the sudden closure is a big surprise.

Copy of the announcement text from the link above:

The following statement is issued today, Friday 25th August 2017.
Following a prolonged period of challenging trading and despite the directors’ best efforts to manage through, Rebel Publishing Ltd was unable to continue to trade and the directors have taken the difficult decision to cease. All members of staff were made redundant.

The company, which traded as Spartan Games, is a Somerset, UK based provider of tabletop miniature games which include

Uncharted Seas, a fantasy naval combat game (now retired)
Firestorm Armada, an exciting space combat game featuring highly detailed starship models
Dystopian Legions, a game based in the world of Dystopian Wars using highly detailed 32mm scale figures and vehicles (now retired)
Dystopian Wars– an exciting journey in a Victorian sci-fi world encompassing naval combat, ground warfare and aerial combat.
Spartan Scenics – a range of detailed and easily assembled wargames terrain.
Rebel Publishing Ltd was formed in July 2002 and traded successfully for a number of years. Spartan Games was launched in 2008 and grew rapidly. However, the tabletop games market is challenging and has changed over recent years, and suppliers are predominantly a small number of large well-known names and several small, cottage industry, type businesses.

Initially the business outsourced production but following quality control and production management issues, manufacturing was moved in house between 2009 and 2011. Over this time and since, significant investment was made into machinery and infrastructure. The business also expanded to provide models for a well known video game, moving this into the tabletop games arena. However, significant new development costs, timing issues and the deflection of management time from the core games brands resulted in a significant trading loss for 2015/6. The business was able to continue to trade by raising additional finance and refocusing on core brands, and direct / online trading improved significantly. Results for 2016/17 were significantly improved.

However, despite this it continued to encounter challenging trading conditions and it became clear this month that the company could not continue to service its liabilities, particularly given the burden imposed by the amounts owing to finance companies.

The company was in the process of running a Kickstarter project to raise funds for expansion of one of its successful product lines. This was well supported and positive feedback on the new products was given showing the popularity of the product line and ongoing demand. However, this does not, unfortunately, provide the full range of success and resources needed to sustain the business.

In addition to challenging trading issues, one of the directors has suffered from a long period of poor health which became significantly more serious earlier this year and although now back in the business, requires ongoing treatment. That has inevitably taken a toll on the amount of time available to the business so, along with other challenges, has significantly contributed to this difficult decision.

The directors are extremely saddened by this decision and particularly regret any losses incurred by employees, customers, suppliers or other trading partners. The directors fully committed their time, energy and personal resources to effect a turnaround. Employees will receive redundancy payments through state funds and although efforts have been made to fulfil customer orders, it is hoped that anyone who does not receive their goods will be able to redeem their payments through their credit card or PayPal.

If customers have made a deposit or paid for goods or services by credit or debit card and the goods or services are not going to be received by the due date, they may be able to get their money back by claiming a refund from their card issuer. They should contact their card issuer as soon as possible. Further information including time limits that apply is available from the UK Cards Association: Credit and debit cards: A consumer guide. Similar schemes exist in other countries.

Throughout the years that Spartan Games has traded, it has prided itself on the highest level of product quality and customer satisfaction. This has been delivered consistently and is evidenced though annual customer research that the company has undertaken.

We would encourage anybody who may be interested in acquiring either stock, assets or the business to make contact as soon as possible. Spartan Games and its product lines have a strong reputation in its markets together with an asset base which may be of interest to a number of parties, and a variety of machinery in addition to Intellectual Property.


All enquiries about this matter should be sent to spartangames@mail.com


Update regarding the Dystopian Wars Kickstarter
Spartan have posted an update on the Dystopian Wars Kickstarter, it offer a glimmer of hope for backers

To all backers of this project, we sincerely regret the recent announcement of the closure of our company and those impacted including people waiting for products from this project. We hope you understand that our priority yesterday was our staff and then getting a formal statement out to the market. That was shared, via email, with everyone on this project.
As explained in the statement, there are policies in place with payment providers around the world for goods that are not received. Please explore these as appropriate to your payment method and location.
Monday is a public holiday in the UK but on Tuesday we will review the status of the project and, if we are able, continue to ship products to backers. We have stock manufactured; we have softback and hardback rulebooks but are yet to receive personalised rulebooks. For those that have speculated that the demise of our printer may have been untrue, please search online for information about Wheatons Exeter in the UK to see that they did, indeed, close in June.
Those familiar with rules governing the operation of companies will realise that what happens next is now out of our hands and will be managed by others. On a practical point, we may have limited access to shipping services and we only have a very small skeleton staff now. However, you have our commitment as directors that we will do all we can to ship products but we are now directed by others.
Enquiries to the email address given on the announcement (spartangames@mail.com) will be handled as they come in but please bear with us and we manage many things in the coming days.



A further update on the KS shipping
http://www.spartangames.co.uk/spartan-games-update

Spartan Games Closure – additional information
First, the Directors would like to start out with a sincere thank you for all the messages we have received expressing sadness at our closure. It is good to hear that our games brought you enjoyment over the years.
Alongside a considerable number of messages of support we have received hundreds of emails with questions. We have made a start at answering them individually but with no remaining staff, this is proving impossible. We would therefore like to answer the most commonly asked questions here.
1. Will I receive the items I ordered from your online store or pledged for in the Dystopian Wars Expansion Kickstarter project?
Alas, for the most part, the answer is no. If you have received an email notifying you that goods were dispatched then they are on their way. Deliveries can take up to two to three weeks in different parts of the world so they may simply not have reached you yet.
However, if your goods have not left our building yet, unfortunately they can’t be sent. We were committed to shipping everything that was in stock and ready to put skeleton staff in place to do so. Unfortunately our accounts have been frozen so we have no way of paying for shipping charges and our landlords require the return of the premises. We discussed this at length today with our advisors and although we explored lots of options, because we know customers have offered to cover postage and even collect goods, unfortunately we couldn’t find a way to make this work.
2. Will stock that is remaining be available for sale?
There is a possibility that it will, although there is limited final product. There are still details to be worked out but we are building a list of email addresses for those who might be interested in purchasing whatever items of products stock we have available. This will include items built for the Kickstarter project. We wish we could send them to you but, as explained above, this won’t be possible due to circumstances beyond our control. If you want to be added to the mailing list, please send an email, if you have not already done so, to spartangames@mail.com with STOCK in the subject line.
3. Who is handling the closure of the company?
This appointment is in progress but it takes time to follow the required procedures. We will advise who this is once the process is complete.
4. Has there been interest in the purchase of assets such as the product lines?
Yes, considerable interest and we are following up on this with our advisors. Parties wishing to purchase assets should email spartangames@mail.com and their email will be acknowledged and their details passed on.
5. Are you answering emails?
As explained here and in previous statements, staff have been made redundant so we have very limited resources to handle emails. We are working through the hundreds we have received. If the emails are about orders, we will not unfortunately, be able to acknowledge them individually and hope this statement explains the status. If they are about individual stock purchases, we will add email address to the mailing list we are building. If they are about purchase of assets, we will acknowledge and pass on the details. If they are about anything else, we will answer where possible. Other email addresses are no longer being monitored and will cease to exist in the coming days and weeks.
Again we would like to express our regret at the impact this closure has had on staff, customers and other trading partners. We are doing all we can to minimise the impact and to do the best that we can under the circumstances. Please bear with us and thank you again for your support at this difficult time.

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I actually really like the Firestorm system... but man.... Spartan games....

Fool me once shame on you... fool me fifteen times... I am a freaking moron.

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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I actually really like the Firestorm system... but man.... Spartan games....

Fool me once shame on you... fool me fifteen times... I am a freaking moron.


Unfortunately I'm in the same boat here. Went all in on planetfall. Then Neil saw a squirrel called Halo
   
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 Digclaw wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I actually really like the Firestorm system... but man.... Spartan games....

Fool me once shame on you... fool me fifteen times... I am a freaking moron.


Unfortunately I'm in the same boat here. Went all in on planetfall. Then Neil saw a squirrel called Halo


Ironically, my enthusiasm waned when Halo Fleet Battles (my first and only Spartan game) was in turn pumped and effectively dumped for the next hotness, Halo Ground Battles. I did get in eyes open to the Spartan edition/game focus churn as they were infamous for it already prior to its release. I just hoped they wouldn't do their usual thing with such a big license... I was wrong obviously. Eh, I wish them well but won't support them personally ever again.

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Game - solid.

Miniatures - beautiful.

Yeah, but...
   
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Berlin

Go away, Spartan. You horrible mess ...
   
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Wow the anti Spartan crew are out in force again on Dakka.

I'm a little disappointed that this has launched before they have finished shipping on the Dystopian wars kickstarter, but the delays there are down to the printer doing all the books going bust.

As I play Halo fleet battles (which definitely hasn't been dumped) I don't really need another spaceship game, but those Pathogen ships would make a lovely stand in for Tyranids in BFG. Also interested what scenery options they come out with, Random space stations have uses in so many games.

it's the quiet ones you have to look out for. Their the ones that change the world, the loud ones just take the credit for it. 
   
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Spartan deserves all the ribbing it gets. I've never seen a company so skittish.
   
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Don't get me wrong Tamerath... I LOVE Firestorm, and I LOVE Planetfall... I think they're awesome games that go ignored by a wider player-base almost exclusively because Spartan is a terrible company. :-p

Their inability to focus on one or two games for more than literally a few months at a time, makes everyone I know anxious about supporting them... which is a shame, because they keep making REALLY good games.

Spartan always leaves me confused. I am dying to throw $400 at this one for the two full, new fleets, new rules, etc... but I know as always I will end up desperately supporting the game locally, getting a couple folks interested, and right on cue Spartan will look like its dropping 100% interest again.

Switching gears, can anyone speak to the place Firestorm and Planetfall were in most recently in terms of balance, etc... Our tiny Planetfall community vanished before we could even get to the first rules refresh (of probably six, knowing Spartan)

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Firestorm is gearing up for the 3.0 release and there's a range of chats on their forum about it here
http://community.spartangames.co.uk/index.php?/forum/74-general-discussion/

Planetfall is kind of in the dolldrums at present. I suspect with the Dystopian KS and Firestorm KS it will be a while; however it does seem to be next on their radar for getting some attention.


I do agree that Spartan's major problem is focusing attention on what games they do have instead of chasing new things. Niel was also ill this year (and still is) which seems to have impacted them somewhat; I think being a smaller company a lot goes through him so when he's out of action (or focused on another project) things get held up.

They are most certainly a company that produces great miniatures and decent rules (if in need of some polish here and there);' but you do end up feeling like they'd be stronger with just one or two full supported games; or going Reaper Minis path of just making miniatures with maybe one or two game; or just contracting with rules designers

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Because of how easily Firestorm and Planetfall hook together, even in terms of linking missions, I would say focusing on just those two games for a solid ten years could do wonders for them.

Shame to hear Planetfall is just kind of... there are the moment, as it was super fun.

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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Because of how easily Firestorm and Planetfall hook together, even in terms of linking missions, I would say focusing on just those two games for a solid ten years could do wonders for them.


At this point, if they drop Dystopian Wars then we'll be hearing people (rightly) complain about it for the next ten years - much as has been the case with the fantasy warships game that they dropped a while back. I'm actually surprised that no one has piped up in this thread to complain about the lack of support for that game. Also, Dystopian Wars has a fairly unique setting, whereas Firestorm has direct competition setting-wise with Dropzone Commander and Dropfleet Commander (and possibly GW, if they ever decide to fully resupport Epic and Battlefleet Gothic again).

   
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Oh man, I really love some of those Pathogen renders! I've backed to keep an eye on it, but if they offer a variety of sculpts for them as mentioned on the page, I don't think I'll be able to resist putting in for some

One question on scale, I just am getting my PHR back for Dropfleet, and I know they're way smaller than Firestorm ships in general, but I'm wondering if they could work as opponents for the Pathogen, since Pathogen look so different anyway?

I'm really interested in trying out the Firestorm 3.0 rules, as 2.0 was already very well received I think. What have you guys heard about the 2.0 rules, any thoughts? I like Dropfleet rules too, but definitely up for trying out multiple systems

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I loved Planetfall.
Never again.
   
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Spartan Games has added more details to the Firestorm Kickstarter:

Pathogen Assault Carrier 3D Model https://sketchfab.com/models/a11f3f6c01214d14980a481249f1dced
Saurian Heavy Battleship 3D Model https://sketchfab.com/models/89a5ab4cab214a40b2031de4e2340530
Core Fleet Expansion Blog http://www.spartangames.co.uk/firestorm-core-faction-expansion-sets
   
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That Pathogen model - so sweet!

I've put in a pledge for the 3.0 rules and added on a Pathogen Battle Force. I always thought I'd support the first major company to make space bug ships and happy to finally have some!
   
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That Pathogen model - so sweet!

I've put in a pledge for the 3.0 rules and added on a Pathogen Battle Force. I always thought I'd support the first major company to make space bug ships and happy to finally have some!


They do look interesting..., but for some reason I keep thinking of the BrainBug from Starship Troopers the movie. That sorta puts me off of em.

Much Prefer the old Tyranid BFG look. It is their design though.

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I'm open to a variety of space bug ship looks . GW never followed up with more and I doubt Tyranids are high on their list for any future reboot, unfortunately. I think these look awesome so far and hopefully they'll show more 3D renders!
   
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Gothic itself is dead anyway so no chance of Tyranid hive ships. Though that said GW has brought back a good few legacy games as of late and I seem to recall some comment that Forgeworld was looking at an Epic remake. So could well be that Gothic makes a return.

That said if it does I really hope they review the ship designs. Tyranid ships, in my view were messy. Not a nice structured design but going too organic to the point where they just looked like a blog of greenstuff stretched out (course that's only from photos I've never seen the actual models).


I'll also be really interested to hear how Pathogen are going to work on the battlefield. At present the pure-strain Pathogen we see appear to be close-combat based. At least they lack conventional gun points on the models; so it will be interesting to read how they are balanced into a game that otherwise is very strong on guns - although factions like the Sorillians and Relthoza do well with close-range guns. Might well be that impure Pathogen have a weaker structure, but the bonus of ranged attacks; or those mouth parts on Pathogen might house spit-attacks or other ranged abilities.

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Pathogen Dreadnought!




There's also a selection of PDFs in one of the updates going into the history/background of the two new factions

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Oh snap. That is snazzy and something I can get behind.

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Nice renders. Check!
Reasonable price. Check!
Spartan Games.... Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

Neil is their greatest asset and greatest liability.

Until he learns what it really means to delegate, I'm not coming near.

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I can't help but think from the rate of funding that this is going to be one of those cancelled to rejig kickstarters since it didn't blow through the funding goal. There is a chance as an existing company that Spartan set a realistic goal for making resin themselves right off the bat instead of one artificially low like most companies (albeit new ones jumping into the plastics deep end of the pool)

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I think at the moment the stall is mostly because the new renders for the core factions aren't visible yet I think once those are on show the funding should increase as at present its only the two new factions that you can see the renders for.

There's also a chunk waiting on Dystopian Wars KS which seems to be getting into gear and shipping/getting sorted. A bit of poor timing to have that one ending and then start the Firestorm just before the clean up of the Dystopian.



As for the Spartan Games ellement - one bonus is that this is a core game rather than a new one. So in theory its more protected than the others. Uncharted kind of got abandoned but in that case it needed a total overhaul of everything including models. It kind of sunk into the fantasy trap of needing a total reboot and marketing campaign to make it viable.

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I keep coming back to this one because I really, really, really enjoy the rules for a few of their games. I think Spartan has capable rules designers (albeit not the best editors/writers as their books invariably need revisions every... single... time), but as others say, always do themselves a disservice by hopping from one game to the other, without ever supporting one long enough to get a community thriving.

Around here Dropfleet Commander landed like a wet fart... so its Firestorm or nothing around here if we want to keep even a modest representation of "in print Fleet Combat" games.

I can say, every time Spartan iterates on one of their rules, they do improve further, and already good games become even better.

There's also good self-contained value here, as an Admiral Pledge comes with a surprisingly solid in-built value even without stretch-goals.

I guess to piggy-back on my earlier comment, but fool me fifteen times, shame on me... because i'm totally going to end up backing this one.

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Spartan launching another ill-advised game with poor rules design, that directly competes with 4 of it's own games? It must be a day that ends in Y.

Yet again, they simply don't have a goddamn clue.

 
   
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Except this isn't - this is an expansion of two new factions and their 3.0 rules set for their existing game Firestorm Armada. If anything its a good show as its an existing one of their games getting attention

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A better show if it wasn't kickstarter. But then again that Halo license is probably still costing them money.

Spartan has a clue, make no mistake. They know people will buy their miniatures regardless of how they're treated.

But that doesn't mean it's a good thing for their community and finding games outside the bubbles of play there are now. The game can't grow without the kind of support people are asking for.

I guess that's why they have to rely on kickstarter, it's not just a publicity stunt, it's also because retail establishments online and off are done pushing Spartan Games.

   
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I don't think that's a fair assessment - many established companies are using Kickstarter (look at Dropfleet, which has been mentioned here, and which I also backed).

And as already noted, this is a flagship product for them, and the fact that they're on the third edition now shows that they don't neglect it for long, even if they get a little "distracted" at times (I'm looking at you Halo!).

So yeah... some fair criticism, but others are kind of knee jerk reactions, imo - this should be a solid ruleset with some great models, and while it's not going to be extremely widespread, I don't know of any game that is outside of the top 4-5 wargames on the market (the rest are all in pockets).
   
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As critical as I am of Spartan (mostly because I REALLY liked Planet Fall and it deserved better treatment than it got thanks to the pair of Halo pump-and-dump games), I would be wary of calling their games bad.

At their worst they are solid rulesets marred by unclear writing (which, to their credit, is ultimately always fixed, usually released for free, etc...)

I don't know what Armada played like in the later days of 2.0, but I quite liked it early on.

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