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Am I right to think I can field a Fallen army right out of the DI boxed set?

Maybe two?

I was considering that too. The Fallen are a neat fluff army choice, and can take a bunch of special weapons, and also possibly a pretty decent way to get some imperium buffs for them into a chaos army? Cheaper than Chosen but of course can't the Legion traits. Gotta be some good imperium crap to help them though. But can an imperium detachment including Fallen be taken in an army with other purely chaos detachments? I was thinking some Red Corsairs bikers, Fallen in Rhinos (or Dreadclaws maybe) for the renegade theme.

Unfortunately fallen can't be taken in any transport as they cant take the "legion" keyword.
Im playing a fallen army, but I play them as a csm army using alpha legion rules, as i fond these to be the closest fluff wise.
The fallen rules arent horrible, I just think having to foot slog them limits their usefulness.

So would that mean Huron Blackheart also can not run in a rhino since he doesn't have the "legion" keyword?

I would argue "fallen" could be considered a legion, unless this has been specifically FAQ'd.

Literally says this in the codex:
“The Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Fallen deviate significantly in terms of organisation and fighting styles. As a result, you cannot choose one of these keywords when determining which Legion a unit in this codex is from. The rules and abilities for the Death Guard and Thousand Sons Legions are detailed in their own codexes, and both of the datasheets that describe the forces of the Fallen can be found later in this book.”

I take that to read these "legions" are already designated.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
So would that mean Huron Blackheart also can not run in a rhino since he doesn't have the "legion" keyword?

I would argue "fallen" could be considered a legion, unless this has been specifically FAQ'd.

Literally says this in the codex:
“The Death Guard, Thousand Sons and Fallen deviate significantly in terms of organisation and fighting styles. As a result, you cannot choose one of these keywords when determining which Legion a unit in this codex is from. The rules and abilities for the Death Guard and Thousand Sons Legions are detailed in their own codexes, and both of the datasheets that describe the forces of the Fallen can be found later in this book.”

I take that to read these "legions" are already designated.

"Fallen" is not a Legion; this is why it can't be taken for the <LEGION> keyword. As for Huron Blackheart, he doesn't have <LEGION>, but he has Red Corsairs instead, so if your army is Red Corsairs, he can ride in a transport with that legion choice (which AFAIK would be Renegades legion tactics).

Yea it sucks, at least in last edition fallen got infiltrate which meant they didnt need to foot slog. This edition they fill a very niche roll on the table as objective holders and back line shooters. Which i think they could potentially do very well.

Chosen are just more versatile and when given their respectice legion special rules and strategems, i think they are overall better, even though they are a little more expensive.

Not really. Fallen have two units available to them, Cypher and a squad of infantry. They're not viable as an army and the models in DI really don't match their options well.

The Death Guard are far too Nurglitch to pass for Fallen except as playtest proxies - it'd be like fielding the Sanguinor and saying he's an Ultramarines Chaplain.

You could combine a squad of Intercessors and the squad of Hellblasters and make a magnificent truescale Fallen/Chosen squad. That would work.

You'd still probably want to get Cypher, as there's no way to take any other FALLEN character without a fanciful leap into an obscure loophole, and your Inceptors won't have any rules without taking that tiny loophole and stamping a rugby ball down it, so they're tradebait.

You could kitbash your Primaris characters around to make a melee based Fallen squad, which is totally not what they are for - and with no access to transports or Warptime, will see them gunned down in short order.

Honestly, if you fancy it then adding a box of Hellblasters and trading the Inceptors for some more Primaris infantry could make for an awesome trio of highly effective gunline units that don't require any babysitting. You'd probably want to bulk up Cypher if you added him, though, which would be quite a daunting prospect...

I thought something has fallen out of the box.

 koooaei wrote:
I thought something has fallen out of the box.

There's Dark Angels in the Dark Vengeance set but again you can only really get a single half-useful unit out of them, if you want the whole lot of them to be Fallen you're going to have to play them as generic regular Dark Angels or Chaos. Which is perfectly fine, of course!

I was thinking of getting Cypher, yes. But making the Pmarines the fallen and the Nurgle side just Nurgle

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
I was thinking of getting Cypher, yes. But making the Pmarines the fallen and the Nurgle side just Nurgle

Good idea. I think that would make a good start to a fallen army. Id reccomend getting some DA bits to make them look a like fallen and have some fun converting.
Im really enjoying playing fallen and coming uup with cool ways to convert them. Im in the process of converting some warp talons with dark angels bits and eldar scourge wings to make some fallen who spent too long in the warp.

Revisiting this project again.

Since Primaris seem to be gullible and Cypher is just the man to do it - I could run Cypher and three units of Fallen as a Vanguard detachment, correct?

And attach them to a battleforged Primaris Battalion.

And since an airwing just needs to be the same faction (Imperium) allowing me to take an Avenger Strike Fighter wing?

These all have Imperium as faction keywords, so they could all be used together - right?

I just would only be able to use stratagems from the main rule book and - primaris?

This is more a rules than a tactics question.

The army you describe would be legal. All the models would have the imperium keyword. You’re good to go. You can technically run your fallen alongside a dark angel detachment with Azrael in it if you like.

You could potentially get access to multiple stratagems. Stratagems are unlocked by detachments, not your whole army. So an army with a grey knight detachment and a blood angel detachment can use both sets of stratagems. An army with a space marine detachment and a soup detachment can only use space marine stratagems, but might be able to use some of them on units from the soup detachment.