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So like the title asks does it? In the index, deathwatch can apply special issue ammunition to bolters, twin bolters, bolt pistols, and the guardian spear, But does that extent to combi bolters. since you know, its two bolters stuck together?

Because the follow up question i have is, is a stormbolter = a combi bolter? Under both the combi weapon an the terminator combi weapon list, the storm bolter appears. That would lead me to believe it is interchangeable with a combi bolter, as the rules are the same, range damage and AP. Additionally, all other combi weapons get access to use special issue ammunition with their combi what ever.

Long and short of it all, is it possible to use special issue ammunition on a storm bolter as it is listed under the combi weapon list implying it is a combi bolter.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
So like the title asks does it? In the index, deathwatch can apply special issue ammunition to bolters, twin bolters, bolt pistols, and the guardian spear, But does that extent to combi bolters. since you know, its two bolters stuck together?

Because the follow up question i have is, is a stormbolter = a combi bolter? Under both the combi weapon an the terminator combi weapon list, the storm bolter appears. That would lead me to believe it is interchangeable with a combi bolter, as the rules are the same, range damage and AP. Additionally, all other combi weapons get access to use special issue ammunition with their combi what ever.

Long and short of it all, is it possible to use special issue ammunition on a storm bolter as it is listed under the combi weapon list implying it is a combi bolter.

If it's not on the list, it doesn't benefit. Something like a Combi-Plasma gets to benefit when firing the "Boltgun" profile because the profiles name is Boltgun, A combi-bolter doesn't because it's a special weapon with a specific name. You're trying to muddy the water with fluff justifications that have zero rules basis.

BCB Combi-plasma is a weapon named Combiplasma. It is not a weapon named Boltgun at all.

While isbhas an optional profile called boltgun, it is not a weapon named Boltgun in pure RAW.

This is almost certainly not the intention in this case though.

Backspacehacker: no deathwatch units can get a combibolter anyway, so why does this question matter?

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
While isbhas an optional profile called boltgun, it is not a weapon named Boltgun in pure RAW.

Except, it is?

"When this unit fires a bolt pistol, boltgun [...]"

When you fire with a Combi-Plasma, you're never firing a weapon called Combi-Plasma, because it has a special rule telling you to instead fire other profiles, one of which is called Boltgun.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
BCB Combi-plasma is a weapon named Combiplasma. It is not a weapon named Boltgun at all.

While isbhas an optional profile called boltgun, it is not a weapon named Boltgun in pure RAW.

This is almost certainly not the intention in this case though.

Backspacehacker: no deathwatch units can get a combibolter anyway, so why does this question matter?

The reason i asked was because combi bolters arnt listed under the combi weapon list, but the storm bolter, is so by that logic the stormbolter is the combi bolter. And since the combi bolter has always been just to bolt guns strapped together, that would implay they are just a bolt gun so you can get special issue ammunition. The goal was trying to get a librarian in terminator armor special issue ammunition so i could rapid fire round that wound on 2, or rapid fire -2 ap rounds.

Also becaause i see no logical reason as to why all other bolt variances work for special issue but not stormbolters.

No, you never fire a profile called Combiplasma.

You are always firing a weapon called combiplasma or the entire dual profile does not work.

Combi-plasma: "When attacking with this weapon, choose on or both of the profiles below."

You are never attacking with a boltgun weapon, you are attacking with the Combiplasma weapon using a profile called boltgun.




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Backspacehacker: no. The stormbolter and combibolter are 2 different weapons(with the exact same profile).

The Stormbolter is absolutely not on the list of weapons that benefit from special issue ammo.

Combibolters are only on cataphractii and tartaros termies.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
No, you never fire a profile called Combiplasma.

You are always firing a weapon called combiplasma or the entire dual profile does not work.

Combi-plasma: "When attacking with this weapon, choose on or both of the profiles below."

You are never attacking with a boltgun weapon, you are attacking with the Combiplasma weapon using a profile called boltgun.

I can see the logic behind this, as it also is used when firing anything that can over heat. you are firing a plasma cannon, not a standard or super charged, thats just the mode you are firing the cannon. So then that would mean combi weapons dont get special issue ammo.


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 Kommissar Kel wrote:
No, you never fire a profile called Combiplasma.

You are always firing a weapon called combiplasma or the entire dual profile does not work.

Combi-plasma: "When attacking with this weapon, choose on or both of the profiles below."

You are never attacking with a boltgun weapon, you are attacking with the Combiplasma weapon using a profile called boltgun.




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Backspacehacker: no. The stormbolter and combibolter are 2 different weapons(with the exact same profile).

The Stormbolter is absolutely not on the list of weapons that benefit from special issue ammo.

Combibolters are only on cataphractii and tartaros termies.

I agree, its just interesting because it appears under the "Combi" weapon list for terminators and the regular combi weapon list

Now, as I said in my first post: by pure RAW combiweapons cannot get special issue ammo; but that is assuredly not the RAI. I doubt you will find many players that will deny you using the boltgun profile and firing kraken rounds(for example).

As for the stormbolter in combiweaons list: it is for the various HQ heroes; they can have pistols or combiweapons as ranged options and several models are supplied with a stormbolter(like the multipart plastic captain)

In my FLGS, anything that has a bolter gets SIA for that weapons bolt profile. Much in the same way the INFERNUS bolter gets it, the Combi weapons get it.

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