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Here he is. Taking on commissions if anyone is interested. Thanks! New photo too! Yes, not everyone loves the conversion, thats fine, it wasnt for a paying customer, it was for me with limitations of how many models i wanted to destroy to convert the free white dwarf giveaway model i had sitting around. If anyone has a good looking plasma pistol to scale, love to add it on, but just dont have one that works (closest was 30k combi plasma bolter, still preferred the chain).
Finally, just as a response to several of the comments, while im not going to win golden daemon, i do take on a few commissions each month which cover the cost of my hobbying so no need for the patronizing comments, however to those offering real constructive criticism, ill note it and appreciate it. Thanks all, smoke em if ya got em'
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He's a nice enough khorne champion, but he'd need at least one feature that is recognizable as Kharn for you to sell him as such; a sarum pattern helmet, antique plasma pistol, gorechild... If I received that as a commissioned conversion, I'd be very unhappy. Paint work is neat and tidy though, and the conversions have been cleanly done.
Other than the tacked on back pack I'm not seeing much that indicates 40k, let alone Kharn, or indeed much of a kitbash.
When you do you're own take on characters they do need to have WYSIWYG gear to help identify them, so a plasma pistol, preferably an ornate one, is an absolute must here.
It also helps to use unusual or rare bits to help differentiate them from generic models from their faction.
Failing that a unique paint job helps set a custom version of a Special Character stand apart. I'm afraid this just looks like a fantasy Khorne Warrior.
I hold people offering commissions to a much higher standard than I do normal painters.
It took me a few seconds to even notice that this is a conversion. To me, it looks like a standard-pattern Chaos Warrior with a backpack added, with absolutely nothing on it to allow me to recognize that it's Khârn. The model lacks a plasma pistol, Khârn's iconic helmet, power armour, and a chainaxe.
The paintjob itself is a bit boring. The helmet, for example, lacks anything to draw the eye, being the same color all the way around, with no highlights of any kind. The eyes lack any sort of convincing effect, being clearly painted a single colour, without any attempt to make them look interesting.
The skin appears waxy, it all looks exceptionally washed out, with no shading that I can see between the fingers on the exposed hand, and numerous areas that don't adhere to the same shading as areas next to them. The bottom of the collarbone especially suffers from this issue.
The chain on the axe fails to stand out against the leather axe handle. That may just be the lighting, but if it is, I recommend you rectify the issue of poor lighting in an advertisement for your commission service.
The skull on the backpack has very thick paint applied, and lacks shading and highlights. It looks like a white (bone is not white) blob with eye holes, not a skull.
The gold is pretty good, the cloth tabard is well done and I don't see any major mistakes/stray paint, but in general the problem areas I highlighted need to be addressed. The gold has highlights and depth, so why doesn't the red armour and the eyes?
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
This is a dope conversion, idk why people are hating on it. I do agree that it doesnt look a lot like kharn, but its your version of him so who cares! That ball and chain can easily be thrown by a guy his size so that it hits like a plasma pistol, and the axe juat looks awesome and definitely a relic. Good work man
TasadarTheMadBear wrote: This is a dope conversion, idk why people are hating on it. I do agree that it doesnt look a lot like kharn, but its your version of him so who cares! That ball and chain can easily be thrown by a guy his size so that it hits like a plasma pistol, and the axe juat looks awesome and definitely a relic. Good work man
No one has shown any hate, only constructive criticism for someone trying to sell a service.
TasadarTheMadBear wrote: This is a dope conversion, idk why people are hating on it. I do agree that it doesnt look a lot like kharn, but its your version of him so who cares! That ball and chain can easily be thrown by a guy his size so that it hits like a plasma pistol, and the axe juat looks awesome and definitely a relic. Good work man
You're aware that a lack of overwhelming positivity =/= hating right?
I've highlighted an important part of your post, because its really the crux of the matter. If you're going to use a model as something it has to be WYSIWG. Out of courtesy to your opponent more than anything else, it should be straightforward for them to work out what you're fielding.
Modeling is some peoples favorite part of the hobby, myself included. Who cares about the opponent, that thing looks down right cool. May not be allowed at every tournament, but those are always a little limiting so nothing new there.
TasadarTheMadBear wrote: This is a dope conversion, idk why people are hating on it. I do agree that it doesnt look a lot like kharn, but its your version of him so who cares! That ball and chain can easily be thrown by a guy his size so that it hits like a plasma pistol, and the axe juat looks awesome and definitely a relic. Good work man
I'm honestly not sure someone could throw a ball and chain at someone and have the same effect as this...
lexicanum wrote:Most Plasma Weapons work by delivering pulses of searing energy and superheated matter that have been transmuted into a gaseous plasma state that carries an electrical charge. The plasma "bolts" fired by these weapons explode on impact and generate the destructive heat of a small sun, and the sheer amount of energy released by the impact of superheated plasma is often enough to completely vaporise the target.
It sounds like most people here are not familiar with the material used for this kitbash.
The base model is huge and will very much stand out on the battlefield beeing slightly larger than a Primaris marine. And with the added height on the base, he will probably make the berzerkers look comically dwarfish.
That said, I would not guess it was Kharn If no one said it "counted as".
Kind of funny though to think the flail count as the plasma pistol, and any roll of 1 he accidentaly hit himself in the back of his head and has to be removed from play
Yeah, I think you need to have some humor to make khorne work.
Verviedi wrote: I hold people offering commissions to a much higher standard than I do normal painters.
It took me a few seconds to even notice that this is a conversion. Not a good start. It looks like a standard-pattern Chaos Warrior with a backpack tacked on, with absolutely nothing on it to allow me to recognize that it's Khârn. The model lacks a plasma pistol, Khârn's iconic helmet, power armour, and a chainaxe.
The paintjob itself is exceptionally mediocre. The helmet, for example, has no depth, being the same color all the way around, with no highlights of any kind. The eyes lack any sort of convincing effect, being clearly painted a single colour, without any attempt to make them look interesting. I do not see eyes, I see random yellow spheres.
The skin appears waxy, it all looks exceptionally washed out, with no shading between the fingers on the exposed hand, and numerous areas that don't adhere to the same shading as areas next to them. The bottom of the collarbone especially suffers from this issue.
The chain on the axe fails to stand out against the leather axe handle - it doesn't even look painted. That may just be the lighting, but if it is, it begs the question of why you have poor lighting in an advertisement for your commission service.
The skull on the backpack has very thick paint applied, and lacks shading and highlights. It looks like a white (bone is not white) blob with eye holes, not a skull.
The gold is pretty good, the cloth tabard is well done and I don't see any major mistakes/stray paint, so there's that, but in general the problem areas I highlighted need to be addressed. The gold has highlights and depth, so why doesn't the red armour and the eyes?
Sorry mate but this crossed the line a bit. First off, just because someone offers a commission doesn't give you carte blanche to rip them a new B hole publicly. Second of all, you do realize that people shop for a wide range of standards of tabletop quality and price?
There's giving objective feedback and then there's your post. His model is well constructed, and his paintwork is clean. Giving him crap about level of shading and highlights is bogus unless you know what he is charging for this standard. You could of have politely asked what he charges for this standard and or how long this model took him etc. before going off, but that would require some politeness. You gave him WAY more negative remarks then positive and even then you managed to apply snark, "I don't see any major mistakes/stray paint, so there's that..."
Of course there's also the fact that the photo is a very low resolution and it's impossible to see shading and highlights on certain colors when the photo is washed out. Which I also find ironic, that you recognize his photo is poor but somehow managed to be overly critical despite acknowledging you aren't seeing the models actual quality.
Verviedi wrote: I hold people offering commissions to a much higher standard than I do normal painters.
It took me a few seconds to even notice that this is a conversion. Not a good start. It looks like a standard-pattern Chaos Warrior with a backpack tacked on, with absolutely nothing on it to allow me to recognize that it's Khârn. The model lacks a plasma pistol, Khârn's iconic helmet, power armour, and a chainaxe.
The paintjob itself is exceptionally mediocre. The helmet, for example, has no depth, being the same color all the way around, with no highlights of any kind. The eyes lack any sort of convincing effect, being clearly painted a single colour, without any attempt to make them look interesting. I do not see eyes, I see random yellow spheres.
The skin appears waxy, it all looks exceptionally washed out, with no shading between the fingers on the exposed hand, and numerous areas that don't adhere to the same shading as areas next to them. The bottom of the collarbone especially suffers from this issue.
The chain on the axe fails to stand out against the leather axe handle - it doesn't even look painted. That may just be the lighting, but if it is, it begs the question of why you have poor lighting in an advertisement for your commission service.
The skull on the backpack has very thick paint applied, and lacks shading and highlights. It looks like a white (bone is not white) blob with eye holes, not a skull.
The gold is pretty good, the cloth tabard is well done and I don't see any major mistakes/stray paint, so there's that, but in general the problem areas I highlighted need to be addressed. The gold has highlights and depth, so why doesn't the red armour and the eyes?
Sorry mate but this crossed the line a bit. First off, just because someone offers a commission doesn't give you carte blanche to rip them a new B hole publicly. Second of all, you do realize that people shop for a wide range of standards of tabletop quality and price?
There's giving objective feedback and then there's your post. His model is well constructed, and his paintwork is clean. Giving him crap about level of shading and highlights is bogus unless you know what he is charging for this standard. You could of have politely asked what he charges for this standard and or how long this model took him etc. before going off, but that would require some politeness. You gave him WAY more negative remarks then positive and even then you managed to apply snark, "I don't see any major mistakes/stray paint, so there's that..."
Of course there's also the fact that the photo is a very low resolution and it's impossible to see shading and highlights on certain colors when the photo is washed out. Which I also find ironic, that you recognize his photo is poor but somehow managed to be overly critical despite acknowledging you aren't seeing the models actual quality.
That's not snark, that's praise. I see paintjobs of incredibly high level with some stray paint, or mould lines, so a complete lack of mistakes and stray paint on this model is a big deal. Combined with the good coverage and quality of the gold, it means the painter is generally competent, and capable of very good work, superior to my own. I don't understand why the talent that was obviously displayed with that gold wasn't applied to the whole model.
I acknowledge that the photo is poor, yes, but why is it so poor on something that is supposed to be advertising his service? If you want to sell something, it must look good in the images. A perfect paintjob can be ruined by poor photos. What I am criticizing is the image, as presented, saying what I would say if I were a customer seeking commission work.
I have no personal issues with this painter, and wish him to succeed in his business. My intention is not to bully, or insult, it is to point out the flaws, so they can be improved. I would expect nothing less on another person's criticism of my own work.
HOWEVER. Just because it was raised to my attention, I read back my original post, and it was a bit unneccesarily brutal. Changes have been made to make it less hateful sounding.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
Put me in the "meh" camp. I'll admit I hate the miniature to start with, so that's probably a pretty big bias, but nothing about this guy says "Kharn" to me.
There are certain elements of a iconic character you need to preserve.
Plasma pistol in right hand, bare arm with chain wrapped around it swinging a large axe with "teeth", the chain or "tassels" at an angle to indicate movement.
I notice they typically make the mouth grill quite large hinting at that he is probably shouting his favored phrase.
Skulls? The champion / favored of Khorn and no trophies?
Every version I have seen also has the screaming skull codpiece and the arched head gear BUT I bet they mean less than the prior items I listed.
Also either weapon should show him in the act of "killing" something, that is the nature they always try to convey about this nutter.
You are close but not quite there.
I would suggest have the head so he is yelling.
Axe swinging in left hand (he is known for flipping his axe around to horrifying result, I would not chain his hand to the axe.)
Plasma gun in right hand taking bead (preferably armored, it IS plasma after all).
Kharn would not be pleasantly looking at his limp chain/flail... he has carnage to do.
The painting is reasonably executed and looks very accurate.
Good sharp edging on the metallic paint areas that is initially hard to do.
Interesting choice of red, going more toward the orange, I would lean toward a darker red since he probably had his armor well "painted" by now in blood.
The axe bone area is looking quite good, did not work out as well with the skull on the back-pack.
Good point by others that the model is missing a focal point.
If you notice, every time they have his eyes a glowing green: it is a direct contrasting colour to red and they tend to paint a glow to accentuate that.
Spots of colour in 3's help too, the two tassles and the plasma gun are all the same.
<edit> NOTE: The OP wants to commission and that is no easy thing to do.
I feel things are not a "bad" criticism if they actually describe how to correct or improve the situation.
Describing critique as "hate" is a bit dramatic.
Better to hear from us than a paying customer expecting better as has been pointed out.
His painting skills are quite good.
Assembly skills also.
Colour theory needs a bit more research.
Subject matter needs to be thought a little bit more.
All the elements are there, it is those fussy final details that bring it all together.
Good luck!
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It looks okay as a Khorne Lord, intimidating and powerful, with a solid and safe colour scheme. I wouldn't say it was Kharne himself though. More armour, a plasma pistol, more skulls, the Sarum helmet, or something like it - those would define it as more than just a normal Lord.
This reminds me of those girls on instagram who lose 5 pounds from 'fit tea' and then start offering weight loss services and advice.
Having said that, definitely not Kharn. But a well executed conversion. And the painting shows that you've got a good mastery of the basics.
Other's have explained the 'not-so-kharn' nature of the model, so I'd comment on a couple of things to keep in mind for your future conversions (which i'm sure will be great!).
The pose is mostly from the warrior model itself, but still looks solid, always try and picture a scene or image for the model. Factor in the environment, is he being attacked? Is he attacking? How would the human (or post human) move in that scenario?
I had a very talented friend point out to me, sometimes doing something because it's symbolic and intelligent and very tricky to pull is not as effective as 'what people easily perceive and associate to what you're trying to achieve'. A good example of this is the backpack, included because that screams power armor, but A) he's not wearing power armor and B) does the backpack screw into his flesh?
In any case, looks like a good chaos marine/trooper and you're off to a great start! Keep it up!
New picture of him, likely better taken. Not everyone loves the conversion, thats fine, i understand he isnt holding a plasma pistol however this was for myself, not what anyone specifically was asking for. i made it to my own liking with some limitations on what models i wanted to destroy to kitbash with it.
Monkeh wrote: This reminds me of those girls on instagram who lose 5 pounds from 'fit tea' and then start offering weight loss services and advice.
Now we are getting hurtful... In all seriousness, please avoid statements like this.
I had a very talented friend point out to me, sometimes doing something because it's symbolic and intelligent and very tricky to pull is not as effective as 'what people easily perceive and associate to what you're trying to achieve'. A good example of this is the backpack, included because that screams power armor, but A) he's not wearing power armor and B) does the backpack screw into his flesh?
It is an "obvious" (when pointed out) and very good point about the backpack.
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ForgeMarine wrote: New picture of him, likely better taken. Not everyone loves the conversion, thats fine, i understand he isnt holding a plasma pistol however this was for myself, not what anyone specifically was asking for. i made it to my own liking with some limitations on what models i wanted to destroy to kitbash with it.
Fine looking model.
Well painted.
Not Kharn "enough" is the only real argument.
Got a little confusing noticing the original post got updated based on the feedback.
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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
Napoleon Bonaparte
I've attempted a couple of Kharn / Kharn inspired conversions and I'd like to say thank you to everyone that participated in this thread as it has really given me food for thought. Not only on if I attempt a further Kharn conversion (something I've been considering since GW released the new version) but also for any further conversion work I do.
OP you have achieved a wonderful paint job and you should be very proud of your miniature. Definitely a nice looking counts as.
I went the opposite route, I tried to take a lot of visual cues from the original Kharn model, make it a bit more fluid. The difference is I didn't want a counts a Kharn, but to run him as a Khorne Chosen model.
Spoiler:
I figure he was a Black Legionnaire that saw Kharn in battle and was so impressed he decided to emulate The Betrayer as best he could.
Seeing the above post I am tempted to go back to him and glam up his belt buckle a bit to have a larger skull/screaming face!
I hope you don't mind me dumping this picture here, it doesn't compare to your own work. I don't take commissions!
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