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Summarized thoughts on this game: Seems to have all the necessary tools to be a great game. Only 2 factions to start, hopefully there are many more to come.

What are your thoughts on this game and if it can compete with warhammer 40k.

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Yeah, telling people how this and that is 'garbage' and they should just throw their minis into the trash as they're not as efficient as XYZ.

 Peregrine wrote:
So the solution is to lie and pretend that certain options are effective so people will feel better?
 
   
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Given the other thread about this has fallen into the usual dakka pattern I'll stick my two penneth in here

Really not sure, apart from use of a measuring sticks, I'm curious as to what this offers over Imperial Assault

The scale change to invalidate IA mini's seems a cheap move but on par for FFG of late

I'm guessing it means the end or a large drop off in IA support in favour of the new hotness, another FFG standby

Also seems a bit pricey but I'm guessing part of that is Licensing

I can't really see it competing with 40k as only two, maybe three factions is kind of limiting

I'm sure it'll be mechanical sound but along with the IP is that enough ?

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I honestly have my doubts about this game. Especially since 40k has had its new edition just come out.

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 captain bloody fists wrote:
I honestly have my doubts about this game. Especially since 40k has had its new edition just come out.


Why is that?

Inquisitor Jex wrote:
Yeah, telling people how this and that is 'garbage' and they should just throw their minis into the trash as they're not as efficient as XYZ.

 Peregrine wrote:
So the solution is to lie and pretend that certain options are effective so people will feel better?
 
   
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Looks like it could be good fun, I'll definitely pick it up! But on the 40k front, I can't imagine it will even scratch the surface!

Completely agree with Turnip though, reckon this is the end for IA.

I always try to keep this up to date with what projects I'm working on... but they just keep piling up

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Well this is the one IP that could seriously clean 40k's clock, It has vastly more name recognition and like x-wing could make a boatload of sales to people who play rpgs and those who just want the models. as for model quality, I personally greatly dislike how "busy" gw has made their models, sometimes less is more and while they are very "detailed" that really puts me off. If the rules are better than 40k (which wont take alot of effort IMHO) then this could be that game.
   
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Might be good - depends on the price, rules and models.

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Just imagine being a person who is only vaguely aware of miniatures gaming, someone who has caught a glimpse of it in the past and thought it seemed pretty cool. That person doesn't care about how many factions there are, whether detail level of minis is 8/10 pr 9/10, about whether PVC is as good as HIPS, or whether there is a thriving scene at the LGS. That person is going to buy Legion over 40k 8e. The chances they have even heard of 40k are, while not slim, fairly low. Now, someone who is already into miniatures gaming, probably because of some past dabbling with 40k, probably does care at least to some degree about the issues above. That person will likely buy 40k 8e over Legion, although it's not a certainty.

Legion is not going to kill 40k. It will compete. People will be spending money on Legion that they might otherwise spend on 40k. But 40k will be around after FFG wraps up the Legion prodcut line in 3-5 years. And 40k will still be around after FFG no longer has the license to make SW miniatures games.

If anyone should be worried aboit Legion, it is RW players.

   
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I think GW is still going to be making the best plastic models around...that isn't going to change. But legion certainly looks like the first actual good attempt at a more cinematic skirmish-larger scaled infantry game. Imperial Assault was one game I didn't like...the models aren't very good, it's not very cinematic etc.

The only thing that seems to be a real fuss is people used to FFGs X wing and Armada are irked about having to paint models. I think people will have to learn to get over that though, just buy a can of white spray and spray the stormtroopers white if you can't bear grey plastic .Stormtroopers are going to be so many levels easier to paint than a 40k model...

For me FFG tends to make better games than GW. That is just an opinion, but i've found I got the hang of X wing and Armada a lot more easily than I ever did WHF or 40k. GWs games have always been very old school and traditional. But GW appears to be coming around and refining their rules lately. Plus Blood Bowl despite being a bit dated is still one of the best board games made IMO.


 
   
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I think it can compete, sure. It has a very recognizable IP, the models, while made of a crap substance and have okayish details, are good enough and the rules are actually quite interesting. I supsect it will be quite popular amongst those who are fans of FFG star wars games. I might pick up a copy if there is enough players locally. But I don't think it will actually destroy 40k since it's a very different kind of wargame. Plus, with Disney milking Star Wars people may get fatigued of the IP. Not totally disinterested but I don't think it will sell as well as X-wing did on launch.

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It looks interesting enough. Going to wait for the rules to come out and then playtest them with IA stuff, but at $80 for the core chances are I will pick it up anyway. Not too bothered with the PVC nor the dice/tons of cards thing that turned the other thread so sour as I have four binders and two plano boxes full of stuff just for x-wing.

Don't reckon it will compete with 40k at all really at least until I use Stormtroopers to slaughter Eldar...

Is there any way that we can get the good info from the other thread ported into the op of this one please?

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Plus, with Disney milking Star Wars people may get fatigued of the IP. Not totally disinterested but I don't think it will sell as well as X-wing did on launch.


This is what i was trying to think of and say.

i can honestly see a lot of people getting tired of the IP. we now have, Xwing, Armada, IA and Destiny (and they're the big ones, little alone all of the RPG stuff that FFG has atm)

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WotC's Star Wars minis didn't dethrone GW, so I don't expect FFG's offering will either. It doesn't have to, to be successful.

For the most part, I think the game will cater to a mostly different crowd. I think most of the people that pick up Legion wouldn't touch 40K with a 10-foot pole, and vice-versa.

For a variety of reasons, I don't expect I will be getting into this, despite my overall love of Star Wars. I think the biggest factor is I'm already spread too thin on options for wargaming as it is - Bolt Action, Flames of War, Heroes of Normandie, 40K, Runewars, AoS, 9th Age, Kings of War, X-Wing, Star Trek Attack Wing, Armada, Dust, AT-43, Battletech, WEG Star Wars, Wotc Star Wars, etc. I just don't have much room - physically or mentally - for any more games.

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Eh, I think it can compete, it has the IP going for it, but I think that's about it for a lot of people. I'm sure a shop around here will have a demo for it when it's out, and I'll give it a try, but FF is going all out on the Star Wars IP, and I think it's doing more bad than good. There are three RPG lines, a CCG, Imperial Assault, Armada, X-Wing, now a re-release of the West End Star Wars game, it's getting to be too much, and I personally am feeling the fatigue. Might pick it up if the game is any good, but eh, time will tell.

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Two different audiences, here.

I think Legion's going to appeal more to boardgamers and casual gamers interested in the IP, rather than the miniatures wargaming hobby, which would include assembly and painting. GW would be more for the hobbyists, including those who want high quality miniature and plastic.

The question is IA vs. Legion. I don't think boardgamers and casual gamers care about the scale differences (or, as said, painting and miniature quality) that much. (Another possibility for scale creep is the same for any miniatures scale creep -- to add detail.) But Legion's going to need enough content and gameplay to persuade the IA owners who have bought all the IA expansions to buy another miniatures skirmish game. FFG's supposed to put out an app for IA, but, at the same time, Hasbro has the license for SW boardgames (which doesn't mean FFG and Hasbro can't make agreements and have payments suchthat FFG also creates boardgames), and Legion is a step away from this legal issue. I'm curious how well IA owners can use their miniatures in Legion, and if SW fans want the lesser variety of miniatures in the Legion starter set compared to the IA core box.

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ingtaer wrote:
Is there any way that we can get the good info from the other thread ported into the op of this one please?
Nope, it's a ton of work for little return. If you want to start a new thread asking questions about Legion rules or how units and upgrades are costed, etc, I have been following it very closely and would be happy to answer as much as possible.

   
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The FLGS was all abuzz about it last night. Well, ok, the X-Wing crowd was. Everyone was hoping I would buy it, paint it, and run demos for them.

Oh the humanity...

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That's kind of what I plan, get two small armies, use it as a gateway game to get people used to miniature gaming, then branch them into other games.

Runewars soured me with its rigid movement system. But this game, they've already stated that you don't have to move the full length of the move tool.

The lack of factions is an issue, but less of an issue since we know that there's a big, big universe of fiction to draw on.

All this talk of not doing Clone Wars or Force Awakens stuff is silly. FFG likes money, it'll happen eventually.

   
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I'm optimistic about the game. I think as long as FFG keeps in mind that you can only do skirmish with Star Wars, and doesn't try to ramp it up to major battles, it'll be great. Two factions is going to be limiting, but X-wing shows they're willing to dig deep into the EU stuff for ideas.

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If this game went into Clone Wars stuff and gave a plastic AAT and/or AT-TE I would not have enough money to throw at it.

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The Empire : ~60-70 models.
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If it was pre-painted then 40K would be dead.

Factions could be:

Rebels-
-- Traditional, Hoth, Rogue One variants

Galactic Empire
-- Imperial Navy, Army, Stormies

Gangsters
-- Hutts, Black Sun, Bounty Hunters

Grand Army of the Republic
-- Clones

Seperatist Droids
-- Battle Droids

Seperatists Non-droid
-- Non-Droids

Wookies

Gungans

Ewoks

....plenty of options really.....


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Yeah but FFG won't (or can't) do the Clone Wars. which is really sad

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I love almost everything about this. Would prefer pre-painted as the mountain of hobby shame is extensive.

Will probably get frustrated with unrelated card creep again but hopefully I make it past Hoth as my Ice World table is perfect.

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Note sure what people are talking about not doing Clone Wars when there's an X-Wing fighter that's from the clone wars.

   
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I wouldn't call it competition, at all. A new alternative, maybe. But not competition.

A lot of people said that Star Wars Starship Battles was going to be the 40k-killer, and gloated about how fast it was selling.

I've not seen people playing that game since like, January. The FLGS I go to has a 'budget bin' full of used models and stuff for this game, and they're already marking down the models on the shelf.

A game full of the same-old Stormtroopers, Rebels, maybe eventually Clone Troopers and droids isn't going to sell well after a while. A whopping TWO factions? Yay, let me put my Darth Vader and Stormtroopers against your Darth Vader and Stormtroopers. After this, I'll play the other guy and his Darth Vader and Stormtroopers. I know one guy that plays Rebels, he might bring his Luke Skywalker over!

Yeah, I'm not seeing this take off.

I mean, even the old miniatures game did piss-poor. Eventually they worked in Expanded Universe stuff and it still wasn't very popular.

They'll have to do a lot to compete with 40k. Multi-Part kits, customizable characters you can kitbash, etc. I want to make MY Star Wars army, not just a handful of stuff that literally every single player has, right out of the box.

And I'll wager that if we do get Mandalorians, it'll be little more than a pile of redundant Boba Fetts with a couple of different guns.

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 Easy E wrote:


Factions could be:

Rebels-
-- Traditional, Hoth, Rogue One variants

Galactic Empire
-- Imperial Navy, Army, Stormies

Gangsters
-- Hutts, Black Sun, Bounty Hunters

Grand Army of the Republic
-- Clones

Seperatist Droids
-- Battle Droids

Seperatists Non-droid
-- Non-Droids

Wookies

Gungans

Ewoks

....plenty of options really.....



Honestly, best it can probably hope for is to compete with 40k, which is still good, but franchise fatigue is this things greatest enemy I think.

Faction-wise, probably going to have 3 or so factions. Empire. Rebels. possibly Scum/criminals/freelancers. They could do something like make it something like Mercs in Warmachine, letting you take them in other armies and also being standalone factions, at most, 5 factions. Emp, Rebels, Scum, Republic, and CIS. I don't think there's enough for the Separatists to have two factions, or wookies, or gungans, or bloody Ewoks. Maybe they could get away with seven factions by using Old Republic and Sith Army. Maybe? I don't know. I think they're probably going to stick with Emp and Rebels. Again.

If this thing was really going to give it a fair shake at topping 40k, you'd need multi part kits, the ability to make your own characters, make them your dudes. But, that won't happen,because FF has to do it the same way as every other miniatures game.

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 Vertrucio wrote:
Note sure what people are talking about not doing Clone Wars when there's an X-Wing fighter that's from the clone wars.


It's a bit of reach but there are a few junked ARC-170's in the Rebels cartoon, I suspect that's why they pop up in X-Wing, everything else from Clone Wars would largely tweaked Z95's or base TIE's, and for Legion at least infantry wise most troops would be either elite stormtroopers (Clones) or Hordey/Conscript Stormtroopers (the cheap droids) not saying it couldn't happen but I suspect filling out the Empire/Rebel era range would be the priority

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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I wouldn't call it competition, at all. A new alternative, maybe. But not competition.


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I think this game might be where they actually test the waters for the Clone Wars material. There wasn't that much in terms of starfighters (I'm only on season one of the cartoon) and the different pilots you have to populate the card deck with. But with the ground troops, I can see it happening.

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 Vertrucio wrote:
The lady doth protest too much.


Oh, I wouldn't call it a 'protest'. I'd love to see a company come out and give GW a run for their money. It might have them take a look at themselves and go, "You know, maybe $40.00 for a single infantry model is a bit steep, guys."

But let's face it, it's gonna do Star Wars the way everyone does Star Wars.

Here's the big names, Luke and Vader. Stormtroopers and Rebels. OK thanks for your money, bye.

Oh hey guys look we made a new game for Star Wars that uses a different kind of dice and you can use Luke or Vader...

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