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Well the people who wanted forward movement have got it!

So where do we think/want the plot will go from here?


I really hope that Guillman and the Primaris are some sort of Trojan Horse/Mancurian candidate who one fine day will get some sort of Order 66 (hey three references in one sentence!) from the Eldar.

Alternately or in addition the relationship between the Old Busted and New Hotness marines would be interesting. One fine day they might decide the Secundis Marines are no longer needed, after some suicide missions to thin the ranks the Secundis will catch on and things will get interesting. I doubt GW would do this, they've historically resisted wiping out anyone's collection (except Squats because @#$% those guys) hence all the Chapters that were almost wiped out but never quite. But it would be a neat wrinkle.

GW now has 3 separate Marine lines - Horus Heresy, Secondis and Primars (plus chapters!). I would love it if GW did more to differentiate the three. Horus Heresy - Steampunk Roman Legions. Secondis - Gothy bling. Primaris - clean and sci-fi. Obviously this isn't happening, the new Primaris Chaplain and Librarian follow the pattern of existing marines but hey I can hope.

Other thoughts?


 
   
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As an Eldar player I'd like to see more Ynnari stuff, and I think it's time to see a more grimdark side of the faction.

Ynnaris tend to be powered-up by other people dying around them. Maybe they'll get slightly addicted to the feeling, without even realizing it (so unlike the dark eldars who seek out other people's suffering willingly).
They already tend to be more proactive than most Eldar, so having an unconscious need for death might make them a bit reckless, starting fights without thinking things through first. This would create clashes with the farseers and accentuate tensions with the craftworlds. It could even lead to internal struggles amongst the Ynnari.
It's also important to keep a lot of mystery around Ynnead's true nature and intentions. The power-up Ynnaris get when people die should look a lot like a gift from their god (Ynnead) for performing an action that benefits her (causing death for the god of death), mirroring chaos boons. Minus obvious chaos-tainted mutations and stuff.
   
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We have 200 years more time elapsed now, so hopefully they don't rush on too quickly without fleshing out what happened in those 200 years a bit more.

I like the potential for conflict between Space Marines and the new Lanky Marines, but there is also good potential for political wrangling as Roboute must have made a lot on enemies on Terra considering the high handed way he dealt with the old administration.

The Ynarri are cool and have certainly shaken up Eldar society in an interesting fashion, I liked the hints the Yvraine might be a Slaneeshi trick and am interested to see where they take them.

What I'd really like to see is some forward movement on Ghazgul's great Waaagh, especially some more conflicts between Orks and Chaos. An update on the situation on Armageddon would be most appreciated as well.
I also want more information about the minutiae of the Indomitus Crusade rather than the sweeping space opera stuff. Where exactly did it fight, what were the key battles and set backs etc.
   
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I'd like for the emperor to finally bite the dust (which will only happen like after all the possible primarchs who could he brought back are brought back for either side) and the Custodians get a primarch level character to lead a storyline about how they are gonna search the galaxy for the emperor reborn. Kind of like an optimistic inquisition wjete they and thier agents have to be everywhere racing against and fighting thw forces who want to find the child first.

   
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I'd like a second Siege of Terra.

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 Lord Spartacus wrote:
I'd like a second Siege of Terra.


Yep!
   
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I hope the plot never moves forward again.

Heck, I would really like it if they retconned the latest plot developments away. You know, like they did with Storm of Chaos. And then the plot would never move forward again.


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 Lord Spartacus wrote:
I'd like a second Siege of Terra.


Technicly you mean a Third as apparently when the rift formed Khorne decided he was gonna YOLO Terra... it didn't work out so well.

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I was hoping for a primarus heresy with factions going against poster blue boys girly man.

but o well.

Now i just want dorn in plastic with a massive power fist replacing his missing fist.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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In the noblebright future of the 41st millennium, there is only optimism and hope for the future, where humanity abandons its superstitions and corruption for a utopian galactic society, truly thriving under the watchful eye of the true spiritual liege and his advisors...


...wait, that would be boring and bland as all hell, wouldn't it...
   
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 Fafnir wrote:
In the noblebright future of the 41st millennium, there is only optimism and hope for the future, where humanity abandons its superstitions and corruption for a utopian galactic society, truly thriving under the watchful eye of the true spiritual liege and his advisors...


...wait, that would be boring and bland as all hell, wouldn't it...


About as boring as the blackest black of the grim dark future.

they are both sides of the same coin and both are freakishly predictable.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Personally I would've liked something a bit more subtle than "End of Times 40k".

Not saying they're actually going to blow up the 40k universe like they did with fantasy, but they sure are hitting a lot of the same notes.

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 fallinq wrote:
Personally I would've liked something a bit more subtle than "End of Times 40k".

Not saying they're actually going to blow up the 40k universe like they did with fantasy, but they sure are hitting a lot of the same notes.


In fairness End times was from what I saw, pretty popular... up until they blew up the world.

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 Desubot wrote:
 Fafnir wrote:
In the noblebright future of the 41st millennium, there is only optimism and hope for the future, where humanity abandons its superstitions and corruption for a utopian galactic society, truly thriving under the watchful eye of the true spiritual liege and his advisors...


...wait, that would be boring and bland as all hell, wouldn't it...


About as boring as the blackest black of the grim dark future.

they are both sides of the same coin and both are freakishly predictable.



And it did have a solid balance of that, up until the writing staff started taking the setting far too seriously for the joke that the 40k universe was meant to be.

But on a more serious note, I see things not just continuing further towards bland and noblebright, but also a plotline that focuses more and more on specific heroes, rather than a setting that lets us develop our own. Much less 'your dudes' and much more paragons of paragons being shoved down our throat.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 fallinq wrote:
Personally I would've liked something a bit more subtle than "End of Times 40k".

Not saying they're actually going to blow up the 40k universe like they did with fantasy, but they sure are hitting a lot of the same notes.


In fairness End times was from what I saw, pretty popular... up until they blew up the world.


Agreed. I was all on-board for the End Times, but when the Old World was obliterated I lost interest in Warhammer Fantasy. Yeah they carried things over to the new setting but it's just...not the same. It's a shame; I really like the aesthetics of some of the new factions (yes, like the Stormcast)...I just don't like that the setting I enjoyed had to die to make way for them.

Pretty happy with how the whole Gathering Storm thing played out. My only quibble is I think the Imperium got off a bit -too- lightly. I would have been fine with the the Circatrix Maledictum having a more severe, long-term impact as far as splitting the galaxy "in two" is concerned. It just seems, right now, like it's more of an inconvenience than anything else. We'll see where it goes. Maybe there's time for it to have more of an impact - I'd like to see that.

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The new GK codex hinted about an upcoming confronation between Dragio and Mortarian, I hope it happens.

I also think GW should consider letting Morty KILL Dragio.


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 Kawauso wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 fallinq wrote:
Personally I would've liked something a bit more subtle than "End of Times 40k".

Not saying they're actually going to blow up the 40k universe like they did with fantasy, but they sure are hitting a lot of the same notes.


In fairness End times was from what I saw, pretty popular... up until they blew up the world.


Agreed. I was all on-board for the End Times, but when the Old World was obliterated I lost interest in Warhammer Fantasy. Yeah they carried things over to the new setting but it's just...not the same. It's a shame; I really like the aesthetics of some of the new factions (yes, like the Stormcast)...I just don't like that the setting I enjoyed had to die to make way for them.

Pretty happy with how the whole Gathering Storm thing played out. My only quibble is I think the Imperium got off a bit -too- lightly. I would have been fine with the the Circatrix Maledictum having a more severe, long-term impact as far as splitting the galaxy "in two" is concerned. It just seems, right now, like it's more of an inconvenience than anything else. We'll see where it goes. Maybe there's time for it to have more of an impact - I'd like to see that.


I'm hoping we'll see some more signs of that in the future. apparently the upcoming 40k RPG will release a sourcebook titled Imperium Nihlus. this strikes me as likely our first GOOD look at how bad things are.
GW itself hasn't been the best go to source for the nitty and gritty of 40k in ages, the best sources are black library novels, and RPG sourcebooks.

and even with the novels it's the rare gem that really provide details beyond "bolter porn"

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I would like for the Tyranids to destroy and eat the whole galaxy.


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If I don't get that then I will settle for Necrons putting all these filthy upstarts under the yoke and chain.

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Ghazghkull finally winning Armageddon and have him slitting Angron's throat. Make it happen Geedubs.

We need more Xenos wins, Zoggit.

   
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BrianDavion wrote:
The new GK codex hinted about an upcoming confronation between Dragio and Mortarian, I hope it happens.

I also think GW should consider letting Morty KILL Dragio.


That would be great, IMO.

For the past several editions 40k fluff seems to have been written by people who didn't seem to get that to make your villains intimidating, you have to give them MEANINGFUL victories. Not against some no names nobody cares about.

40k is 111% science.
 
   
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 Segersgia wrote:
Ghazghkull finally winning Armageddon and have him slitting Angron's throat. Make it happen Geedubs.

We need more Xenos wins, Zoggit.



And then Ghaszghkull opens up the hidden vault within the planet and unleashes the Gork and Mork from their sarcophaguses. And then the Orks show dem chaos boyz how to really set da galaxy on fire.
   
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Really I just hope GW understands they can kill off major characters and that doesn't magically invalidate a person's mini. PP had ol Goreshade be redeemed and you can still field him in Cryx, you can also field his new shiny Grysshhddd (or however you spell the damn name) version in Retribution.

In fact I really like the concept of rereleased characters who are different models, with different stats, etc to reflect fluff changes. You can field both their older and newer version legally just not in the same army at the same time. Would be cool if GW started doing that imo.

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 fallinq wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The new GK codex hinted about an upcoming confronation between Dragio and Mortarian, I hope it happens.

I also think GW should consider letting Morty KILL Dragio.


That would be great, IMO.

For the past several editions 40k fluff seems to have been written by people who didn't seem to get that to make your villains intimidating, you have to give them MEANINGFUL victories. Not against some no names nobody cares about.


the problem is at the same time you don't want to obselete a character that people invested time and money into painting up etc. So I can understand their being a little leery of that. at the same time I think if it's made a VERY rare thing they can get away with it.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 fallinq wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The new GK codex hinted about an upcoming confronation between Dragio and Mortarian, I hope it happens.

I also think GW should consider letting Morty KILL Dragio.


That would be great, IMO.

For the past several editions 40k fluff seems to have been written by people who didn't seem to get that to make your villains intimidating, you have to give them MEANINGFUL victories. Not against some no names nobody cares about.


the problem is at the same time you don't want to obselete a character that people invested time and money into painting up etc. So I can understand their being a little leery of that. at the same time I think if it's made a VERY rare thing they can get away with it.


A character being dead in the fluff doesn't mean that they can't be used on the table. Eldrad went for a good bit of time before GW brought him back to life, and let's not forget Tycho (even though GW has). WHFB was also filled with 'historical' characters who had been killed off. A character being killed off doesn't mean you have to toss out the model and ever use it again. Hell, back when I still ran them, my custom SM chapter's fluff involved them being destroyed by the Inquisition.

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 Fafnir wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 fallinq wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The new GK codex hinted about an upcoming confronation between Dragio and Mortarian, I hope it happens.

I also think GW should consider letting Morty KILL Dragio.


That would be great, IMO.

For the past several editions 40k fluff seems to have been written by people who didn't seem to get that to make your villains intimidating, you have to give them MEANINGFUL victories. Not against some no names nobody cares about.


the problem is at the same time you don't want to obselete a character that people invested time and money into painting up etc. So I can understand their being a little leery of that. at the same time I think if it's made a VERY rare thing they can get away with it.


A character being dead in the fluff doesn't mean that they can't be used on the table. Eldrad went for a good bit of time before GW brought him back to life, and let's not forget Tycho (even though GW has). WHFB was also filled with 'historical' characters who had been killed off. A character being killed off doesn't mean you have to toss out the model and ever use it again. Hell, back when I still ran them, my custom SM chapter's fluff involved them being destroyed by the Inquisition.


Yep. They make rules for dead characters all the time. Fantasy had rules for an Orc character named Azhag the Slaughterer who had been dead for like a hundred years in the game's current timeline before EoT, and Azhag and Archaon could be fielded against each other, despite the fact that fluffwise they were WEARING THE SAME CROWN.

It's been done in both games. They don't have to retire Draigo just cuz they kill him in the fluff.
I mean if they can get rid of an entire Chaos God in AOS...


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BrianDavion wrote:
 fallinq wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
The new GK codex hinted about an upcoming confronation between Dragio and Mortarian, I hope it happens.

I also think GW should consider letting Morty KILL Dragio.


That would be great, IMO.

For the past several editions 40k fluff seems to have been written by people who didn't seem to get that to make your villains intimidating, you have to give them MEANINGFUL victories. Not against some no names nobody cares about.


the problem is at the same time you don't want to obselete a character that people invested time and money into painting up etc. So I can understand their being a little leery of that. at the same time I think if it's made a VERY rare thing they can get away with it.


When I started, many of the characters were already dead when they were introduced. Lord Solar Macharius, Namaan, Cortez and Xaxier were all described as dead or missing right smack in their army list entry. I'm pretty sure the red terror and old one eye were both dead, probably some of the numerous Ork SCs from their third edition coded too.


DrNo172000 wrote:Really I just hope GW understands they can kill off major characters and that doesn't magically invalidate a person's mini. PP had ol Goreshade be redeemed and you can still field him in Cryx, you can also field his new shiny Grysshhddd (or however you spell the damn name) version in Retribution.

In fact I really like the concept of rereleased characters who are different models, with different stats, etc to reflect fluff changes. You can field both their older and newer version legally just not in the same army at the same time. Would be cool if GW started doing that imo.


I think what they did with Lufgt Huron and his supporting cast was really nice. He was a TDA master of the Astral Claws with no bionics in the campaign, and then he always appears as a mangled Corsair in Black Library and the codex. The whole of Badab was a model they should have done more of. Warzone Fenris could have been that actually, a bit disappointing. It was in a way, because you know that Magnus hadn't manifested much in any other time and place, yet people took him in all battles all the time.

I really long for a Warzone Baal, a Warzone Fenris, a bunch of campaign releases where they each have specific sets of forces and give out tid bits about the rest of the setting, but they are totally compatible for games against the next Badab or EoT campaign setting even if in-universe they were never there or had already died. Seriously, update codex EoT as a half-year event with multiple books, then a whole separate campaign of like Charadon vs Tyranids vs 2-3 specific marine chapters. Work the releases around that, not codex: Orks but codex: Charadon to be succeeded later by Codex: Ghazkull.
   
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 DrNo172000 wrote:
Really I just hope GW understands they can kill off major characters and that doesn't magically invalidate a person's mini. PP had ol Goreshade be redeemed and you can still field him in Cryx, you can also field his new shiny Grysshhddd (or however you spell the damn name) version in Retribution.

In fact I really like the concept of rereleased characters who are different models, with different stats, etc to reflect fluff changes. You can field both their older and newer version legally just not in the same army at the same time. Would be cool if GW started doing that imo.

They did that in Fantasy with Valten. And many, many special characters of Fantasy where death in the "present" moment of the timeline. But Warhammer Fantasy was always more a "historical" setting where they always said "Theres no problem if Karl Franz fights agasn't Asavar Khul, even if they lived separated by 200 years".

But I don't know why, 40k is so obsessed with the... 41 millenium, and theres this "A character die= loses his model and rules". Aun'va is the only character that still has rules and model even being dead in the present moment (I believe)

I'll love to have some 36k Characters like the first Sister of Battle (The one that spoke to the Emperor personally), etc... We can survive characters of different eras fighting each other. That would be a truly Sandbox experience of the Warhammer universe.

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 Galas wrote:
 DrNo172000 wrote:
Really I just hope GW understands they can kill off major characters and that doesn't magically invalidate a person's mini. PP had ol Goreshade be redeemed and you can still field him in Cryx, you can also field his new shiny Grysshhddd (or however you spell the damn name) version in Retribution.

In fact I really like the concept of rereleased characters who are different models, with different stats, etc to reflect fluff changes. You can field both their older and newer version legally just not in the same army at the same time. Would be cool if GW started doing that imo.

They did that in Fantasy with Valten. And many, many special characters of Fantasy where death in the "present" moment of the timeline. But Warhammer Fantasy was always more a "historical" setting where they always said "Theres no problem if Karl Franz fights agasn't Asavar Khul, even if they lived separated by 200 years".

But I don't know why, 40k is so obsessed with the... 41 millenium, and theres this "A character die= loses his model and rules". Aun'va is the only character that still has rules and model even being dead in the present moment (I believe)

I'll love to have some 36k Characters like the first Sister of Battle (The one that spoke to the Emperor personally), etc... We can survive characters of different eras fighting each other. That would be a truly Sandbox experience of the Warhammer universe.


I honestly don't know why 40k hasn't delved deeper into historical campaigns and special characters, given how popular 30k is.

Remember when Bell of Lost Souls did a big fan supplement on the Macharian Crusade back in its glory days? That was legit. And there's so much material they could use. The Age of Apostasy, The Abyssal Crusades, any of the 11 Black Crusades that weren't covered yet, plus literally hundreds more.

And since this is a universe with cloning and supernatural ways to bring characters back to life, special characters that are already dead appearing on the tabletop can even be justified fluff-wise.

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I for the most part pretend that none of the fluff has changed since 3rd edition. As the years progress, I find myself liking less and less of what is written.
   
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 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I for the most part pretend that none of the fluff has changed since 3rd edition. As the years progress, I find myself liking less and less of what is written.


so you're the 40k equivilant of the Battletecher who insists it's still 3025 then eh? seems fair

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BrianDavion wrote:
 NH Gunsmith wrote:
I for the most part pretend that none of the fluff has changed since 3rd edition. As the years progress, I find myself liking less and less of what is written.


so you're the 40k equivilant of the Battletecher who insists it's still 3025 then eh? seems fair


Haha, I don't insist. I won't force anybody else to be stuck in my time bubble in 40k, which is why it makes sense in my head for my 3rd ed styles armies to be fighting Ynnari and Guilliman.
   
 
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