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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41278545

Luckily, nobody was killed this time. Is it just me, or does that look like a paint bucket?

Yes, looked like that to me, too. Seems like it didn't create the blast its builder hoped for, though. No deaths so far according to BBC, mostly burn wounds (which, depending on degree of burns, is of course bad enough).

Seems like the panic-induced stampede resulted in some of the worst injuries. In that way, tubes are really a dangerous target for attacks like this.

That is lucky there were no fatalities.

Also great advertising for Lidl; "Our insulating bags are so effective they can contain most of the lethal blast of an IED."

Hopefully the death toll stays at zero.

Luckily it seems to not have gone off entirely. Still bad enough for the people that got hurt though.



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nareik wrote:
That is lucky there were no fatalities.

Also great advertising for Lidl; "Our insulating bags are so effective they can contain most of the lethal blast of an IED."

Hopefully the death toll stays at zero.

I have a newfound respect for my Lidl bag.

Oh look.

Terrorists being utterly incompetent. Again.

Little to see here folks. Move along.

I'm guessing...Neo Nazis.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh look.

Terrorists being utterly incompetent. Again.

Little to see here folks. Move along.

It's just as well they were incompetent. We were bloody lucky to get away with that. Thank God nobody was killed, and let's hope the victims recover.

A lot of children got injured

It's a pity we don't have the death penalty anymore in this country...

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'm guessing...Neo Nazis.

Or you know, the islamic radicals.

A miracle no one was killed.

From the sound of it, this IED created more of a deflagration instead of a "real" explosion, with a much lower expansion of hot gas and less shockwave. Explains why there are mostly burns in the primarily IED-related injuries (without the trampling). I'd assume that whoever built this would've wanted it to go boom, and failed miserably in constructing this thing.

It's not clear whether that LIDL bag also contained something that could've been meant as additional shrapnel so far, right?

News is saying they found a timer and n bomb. Also saying doors were open at the time it went off, allowing people to run out instead of being trapped.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh look.

Terrorists being utterly incompetent. Again.

Little to see here folks. Move along.

It's just as well they were incompetent. We were bloody lucky to get away with that. Thank God nobody was killed, and let's hope the victims recover.

A lot of children got injured

It's a pity we don't have the death penalty anymore in this country...

7/7 bombings were also incompetent. Strike from nowhere, and didn't hit any major infrastructure. Not all the bombs detonated.

Precious little to be scared of here.


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As for the death penalty....so you want to help incompetent would-be martyrs achieve said martyrdom?

Have...have you actually thought that through? Like. At all?

Well we got to torture 'em first, make 'em work for it.

So it's looking like a suspect has been identified from CCTV and the "failure" of the device should hopefully yield information, DNA, etc. to help the investigation. Someone call Bond, James Bond...this smells of SPECTRE!

Kidding aside, thank God this wasn't as worse as it could have been.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
So it's looking like a suspect has been identified from CCTV and the "failure" of the device should hopefully yield information, DNA, etc. to help the investigation. Someone call Bond, James Bond...this smells of SPECTRE!

Kidding aside, thank God this wasn't as worse as it could have been.

Aye. Thankfully thr bomb maker made a bad batch or such and did not have the yeild ad power to detonate properly.

However if this person behind it turns out to be on a watch list again...

We have a fething huge problem that the security system had a big hole in it that needs patching ASAP.

Being on the watch list is a good thing no? It means the people on the watch list are people worth watching. If the only people who did crazy stuff weren't on any kind of list, wouldn't that be worse for our intelligence services?

Security Services have to be lucky all the time.

Terrorists, just the once.

Would also help if the Government didn't keep slashing Police budgets.

 Hollow wrote:
Being on the watch list is a good thing no? It means the people on the watch list are people worth watching. If the only people who did crazy stuff weren't on any kind of list, wouldn't that be worse for our intelligence services?

Yes, and no.

The fact they are noted is a good thing however if the still excute a attack then we need a serious look at our prevention systems in place to deal with those who are planning to kill people.

The list did not stop them trying or killing people.
The systems did not.

There needs to be a look at how. Why they got past and the breach sealed in the counter terror net.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It's just as well they were incompetent. We were bloody lucky to get away with that. Thank God nobody was killed, and let's hope the victims recover.

A lot of children got injured

It's a pity we don't have the death penalty anymore in this country...

Indeed. I'm sure executions being bought back will deter a death cult that regards martyrdom as their highest achievement.

Elemental wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It's just as well they were incompetent. We were bloody lucky to get away with that. Thank God nobody was killed, and let's hope the victims recover.

A lot of children got injured

It's a pity we don't have the death penalty anymore in this country...

Indeed. I'm sure executions being bought back will deter a death cult that regards martyrdom as their highest achievement.

You're behind the curve here, it's been upgraded to include torture.

NenkotaMoon wrote:Well we got to torture 'em first, make 'em work for it.

Go visit your mom and ask her for a hug. You clearly need one.

I don't believe GB has the death penalty. They have made Irish terrorists disappear in the past however.

 jhe90 wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
Being on the watch list is a good thing no? It means the people on the watch list are people worth watching. If the only people who did crazy stuff weren't on any kind of list, wouldn't that be worse for our intelligence services?

Yes, and no.

The fact they are noted is a good thing however if the still excute a attack then we need a serious look at our prevention systems in place to deal with those who are planning to kill people.

The list did not stop them trying or killing people.
The systems did not.

There needs to be a look at how. Why they got past and the breach sealed in the counter terror net.

Keep in mind they could stop a hundred terrorist attacks before they happened and it wouldn't make the news, but if they get just one wrong...

 jhe90 wrote:

 Hollow wrote:
Being on the watch list is a good thing no? It means the people on the watch list are people worth watching. If the only people who did crazy stuff weren't on any kind of list, wouldn't that be worse for our intelligence services?

Yes, and no.

The fact they are noted is a good thing however if the still excute a attack then we need a serious look at our prevention systems in place to deal with those who are planning to kill people.

The list did not stop them trying or killing people.
The systems did not.

There needs to be a look at how. Why they got past and the breach sealed in the counter terror net.

Probably because it's impossible to track, record, analyze and act appropriately on everything anyone does without...inordinate resource devotion. Expecting security services to be able to do so is being a bit fantastical, particularly without granting them powers and resources far beyond what most nations are comfortable with.

One can attempt to catch as much stuff as possible, but no security agency is going to be able to prevent or stop every crime or terrorist act, particularly individual attacks, lists or no. It's one thing to catch onto a coordinated terror cell involving dozens of players in multiple nations with complex attack plans, thats going to have a multitude of vectors for failure and leaks, but some dude ordering a couple things off Amazon and making a trip to Home Depot to construct a bomb in his kitchen from otherwise innocuous stuff is...much harder to detect and stop, even if on a watch list.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh look.

Terrorists being utterly incompetent. Again.

Little to see here folks. Move along.

It's just as well they were incompetent. We were bloody lucky to get away with that. Thank God nobody was killed, and let's hope the victims recover.

A lot of children got injured

It's a pity we don't have the death penalty anymore in this country...

NenkotaMoon wrote:Well we got to torture 'em first, make 'em work for it.

Dakka's Guide on how to turn 1 attack into 20.

This would turn them into even greater martyrs for their 'cause' than if they had managed to kill themselves and would be more likely to push fringe radicals over the edge to commit further such acts.

What happens if the wrong person is convicted of these attacks? No amount of compensation money can make up for someone being wrongful killed. This is all even more likely once you bring torture into the equation. The best thing for those who commit tese acts is to be locked up and forgotten about.

*Shrugs*
We just don't kill 'em then. Leave 'em a shell of what they were, something fun, like make them watch Barney, all day, everyday.

 Elemental wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

It's just as well they were incompetent. We were bloody lucky to get away with that. Thank God nobody was killed, and let's hope the victims recover.

A lot of children got injured

It's a pity we don't have the death penalty anymore in this country...

Indeed. I'm sure executions being bought back will deter a death cult that regards martyrdom as their highest achievement.

Assuming you are correct, It's interesting that such attacks are no longer suicide attacks. A strategic change, or is it too difficult to find people who are sold on being martyrs?

Given the quality of the bomb it's possible it was intended as a suicide attack that went wrong.

BBC just reported an 18 year old man arrested at Dover in connection with this attack.

Parsons Green: Man arrested over Tube bombing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41292528

Trying to flee the country then. They must have had a lot more info than they're revealing if they picking him up at the port.

 welshhoppo wrote:
BBC just reported an 18 year old man arrested at Dover in connection with this attack.

Parsons Green: Man arrested over Tube bombing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41292528

They must of had a solid ID and known his rough direction so decided to maybe lay in wait and catch him on exit.

Tracked down with some patience and knowing he have to pass a control of leaving.

Yea, looked like they already had the web set up for him, kept security low to give him a false sense and sprung the bastard when he thought he was safe.