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Was just having a read and re-read the "Price of Failure" rule (VPs for LoWs). The wording of this rule would indicate that it is available in every Horus Heresy game unless the mission specifically states it isn't. That would be all well and good, except it is actually listed as a special rule of Missions 3 and 4 in the red book but not the others, this does not seem consistent with the initial wording of the rule. Is it only available in missions 3 and 4? Or all of em?

Well I can't say anything about the missions but my hobby shop allies "price of failure" to all mission where a lord of war is being used, so it might be better to ask your local gaming group what they think as they will be the ones affected by the rule. Sorry if this doesn't help much.

In the Mechanicum red book 'the price of failure' reads...

Where this secondary objective is used in a scenario, destroying an enemy lord of war choice always represents a secondary objective in the game.

'The price of failure' rule is in a list with other secondary objectives - at the start of that section is this...

The following is a summary of the main additional secondary objectives used in battles in the age of darkness missions.
Which particular secondary objectives used will be listed in the mission being played.

I think they're trying to keep questoris knight households as a viable army for missions - if each one gave up two VPs when it went down in any mission there would be no point in taking them; they aren't as solid as the internet hype makes out.
The 'dominion' mission it is used in has accumulating VPs for being on objectives at the start of your turn and it would be very easy for a knight player to dominate without 'the price of failure' - in that mission, each knight i lose has to have earned 2 VPs before it goes down in order for me to break even and i've seen more knights taken out on turn one than i've seen make it to the end of a game.

Hope that helps!

In the LACAL book the Price of Failure rule was only used in specific missions. This was changed in the AoD book to be included in all missions unless specified otherwise. FW is well known for copy pasting rules and not removing things that no longer apply. The AoD rules are the most up to date version and they should be used for missions.

As for Questoris Knights, Price of Failure has no bearing on them, as it gives points for LoW kills, of which the only one for QK is the Acastus Porphyrion.

Thedorklord wrote:Well I can't say anything about the missions but my hobby shop allies "price of failure" to all mission where a lord of war is being used, so it might be better to ask your local gaming group what they think as they will be the ones affected by the rule. Sorry if this doesn't help much.

Yeah I generally at the moment only play with a handful of my mates, so we would happily house rule it (as it is, we haven't been using it all lol, purely because we forgot it was a thing).

xera32 wrote:In the LACAL book the Price of Failure rule was only used in specific missions. This was changed in the AoD book to be included in all missions unless specified otherwise. FW is well known for copy pasting rules and not removing things that no longer apply. The AoD rules are the most up to date version and they should be used for missions.

As for Questoris Knights, Price of Failure has no bearing on them, as it gives points for LoW kills, of which the only one for QK is the Acastus Porphyrion.

So basically it wont be entirely clear until they re-release a new rulebook for HH that is 7th without any of the 40k gak and hope they remember they need to fix one of the two bits?