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Sisters of Battle.

*dodges tomatoes*

Canoness Veridyan, a model that came out not very long ago, doesn't have rules in the Imperium Index.

Belisarius Cawl, once part of the Triumvirate of the Imperium, is being sold separately. This puts Celestine and Greyfax in a weird position.

Back in October of last year, Lady Atia made mention of a particular wishlist:



All of that about things not being possible in plastic that now are? That's been a common excuse for why we don't have a plastic Sisters of Battle range.

And despite everything, they're still being sold on the GW site, with an ever-shrinking range. Models have disappeared from the store entirely, while steadily more and more are being listed as 'Temporarly Out of Stock', and yet they at least bothered to put together squads of models as best they could...

We're now knee deep in 8th edition with only two more possible Codices between now and 2018 that we don't know about. Death Guard are going to wrap up between now and the beginning of October with Firestorm releasing alongside them, followed by Shadespire, and then we've got Necromunda in November, with 40k Battleforces releasing in December.

Guys. I think it's happening. The Warhammer Rumor Engine is pointing towards Orks and Skaven in early 2018, but after that...


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And after all that is said and done, WE HAVE A NEW SISTERS RUMOR!!

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/10/rumor-sisters-as-first-army-of-2018.html

"via Lord Fangio in the Comments on Spikey Bits
Link sent in via a reader

https://spikeybits.com/2017/10/hard-plastic-sisters-wolves-kickstarter-canceled.html

Lord Fangio •
Considering that a staffer at GW yesterday absentmindedly told me that his first army of 2018 would be sisters because he will finally not have to deal with metal. Then tried to backtrack after being given the evils by the manager, I have my suspicions as to why the Kickstarter got canned.


Lord Fangio jexinator •
I have been waiting excitedly for plastic sisters since 2003. Sadly I have suffered so many dissapointments during this wait that even this I take with a handful of salt.

Though that said, the manager in the above story then started to explain how the plastic Sisters of Silence had been made to prove to the investors that there was a market for female miniatures outside of FW. And they have sold very well. Then we also have the recent investor report about wanting to make more female figurines.

Also, early this year I was talking to a GW manager in one of the London stores and he told me with great confidence that he expected Sisters to be the 11/12th codex. At the time the 10 codices before Xmas hadn't been announced, so I just assumed he meant it would be next Summer or Autumn (which was cool enough).

Again, I refuse to get excited in case GW HQ has been feeding misinformation down the lines."

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Update: 10/5

We've got ANOTHER rumor at Sisters of Battle being released soon!!!

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2017/10/was-sisters-of-battle-meant-released.html

via LordValrak on Bolter and Chainsword
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/340108-reset-the-clock-sob-rumour/page-2
I did a video on this (the Sisters of Battle Rumor) and was sent a PM on the matter, take it as you will:

Hey Valrak. First off, great videos man!
Just watched your sisters video and I have some info you might be interested in about them. Comes from a GW employee and then a GW store owner:
We were supposed to get them before 8th became a thing. But with the whole shipping debacle they've been going through. The sisters got tied up. So they decided to hold off, wait for 8th to drop and just release them in full. Which is why we got some weird releases before the dropping of 8th. They used their "filler" releases.
There it is. Take from it what you will. Have a good one man.



The hype is building up guys.

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*redacted because i assumed this was troll thread and ranted without reading*

We shall see. It would be nice.

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drbored wrote:
Canoness Veridyan, a model that came out not very long ago, doesn't have rules in the Imperium Index.


Her unique ability is literally the generic Canoness ability now.

   
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Well next year has been claimed to be the year of the xenos by rumor folk.

We know
- Tau is coming for sure with some sort of update. I've elaborated this a million time so go read other threads. This is nearly 99% likely going to happen given Atia's track record.
- There is heavy implication and foreshadowing of a new xenos race. Kind of a big reveal faction of the year much like Primaris were for this year.
- Reliable rumor people (but not lady atia level of reliable) have said that at least some of the less popular xenos races will be getting updates next year.

Also since Space Marines have an obligatory release every year I think next year is the perfect time to release a Primaris Deathwatch update which thematically fits with the year of the xenos as they are dedicated to it.

This leaves the year very packed for SoB. I would really find it unlikely if they came out. It's not impossible, but very low chance to me.

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So when do we get SoB stuff?

Feed the poor war gamer with money.  
   
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Also that same year Atia said if the Exodites come out it would be at least two years away. However she didn't seem very confident on them coming out as it was a "someday" army GW might get around too.
   
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 NenkotaMoon wrote:
So when do we get SoB stuff?


Probably never at this rate....

: 4500pts

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Yep, SoB codex and models are just around the corner.

Like they have been for the past decade.

I'll believe this only when I am holding a codex in my hands.

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 Ouze wrote:

Afterward, Curran killed a guy in the parking lot with a trident.
 
   
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Does it matter? You guys will probably hate the models and fluff anyway.
   
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 Crimson Devil wrote:
Does it matter? You guys will probably hate the models and fluff anyway.


Hah, this. SoB fans have been staring at the old models for so long, would it matter what GW puts out? I can dream, though. I can dream.

As to the whole 'year of xenos', I bet it'll be a lot smaller than people are thinking. I imagine it'll EITHER be a new race OR an addition to the Tau Empire, not both.

Deathwatch Primaris? That seems kind of out there when they can just tack on Intercessors and Hellblasters into Deathwatch. The shoulder pads are the same as the Tacticals, so would work with the same Deathwatch Upgrade Kit. Either way, I see this as being small as well.

The things that I see being big will be Orks. There's a lot of models in the Ork line that can be updated afaik and there's always something new they can tack onto that range.

But of course, they won't leave the Imperium in the dust. I imagine Dark Angels, Space Wolves, or Blood Angels will get their release in the next year.

Does that leave a lot of time for Sisters of Battle? Maybe, maybe not. Honestly at the pace that GW has been putting things out, just maybe...
   
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I can't find the thread anymore, but there was some discussion recently that GW internally wants to "broaden" its audience to try to attract more female gamers. I feel that updating SoB would be the most plausible place to start if its true.
   
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 Commissar Benny wrote:
I can't find the thread anymore, but there was some discussion recently that GW internally wants to "broaden" its audience to try to attract more female gamers. I feel that updating SoB would be the most plausible place to start if its true.


Larger demographic means more money, and having female models that aren't scantily clad might go a long way to getting that new demographic. This is something that pops up a lot when Sisters of Battle are mentioned, though, so I bet it's just rumor reverb more than anything else.
   
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drbored wrote:
 Crimson Devil wrote:
Does it matter? You guys will probably hate the models and fluff anyway.


Hah, this. SoB fans have been staring at the old models for so long, would it matter what GW puts out? I can dream, though. I can dream.

As to the whole 'year of xenos', I bet it'll be a lot smaller than people are thinking. I imagine it'll EITHER be a new race OR an addition to the Tau Empire, not both.

Deathwatch Primaris? That seems kind of out there when they can just tack on Intercessors and Hellblasters into Deathwatch. The shoulder pads are the same as the Tacticals, so would work with the same Deathwatch Upgrade Kit. Either way, I see this as being small as well.

The things that I see being big will be Orks. There's a lot of models in the Ork line that can be updated afaik and there's always something new they can tack onto that range.

But of course, they won't leave the Imperium in the dust. I imagine Dark Angels, Space Wolves, or Blood Angels will get their release in the next year.

Does that leave a lot of time for Sisters of Battle? Maybe, maybe not. Honestly at the pace that GW has been putting things out, just maybe...

Wrong. Deathwatch need a flyer and the current Primaris can not fit in it. Actually they can't use any of the existing line. Sure they could just add the existing primaris stuff into the DW line and I would be happy with that too, but at the same time it's not very DW and the Corvus sold well because it's a beauty. I'm sure they can think of something. If they get any new Primaris stuff for DW it will not be a big release no doubt.

Also I want a DW apothecary and techmarine if possible so I can actually have a full rpg squad.

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I personally think these will get individual codex's inregards to the Imperium (not in any order):
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Deathwatch
Adepta Ministorum (SoB etc what is in index/store now under that name)
Imperial Agents ( Inquisition, Assassins, Adpetus Custodes, SoS, Legion of the Damned)

We will probably get one maybe two of these this year in regards to the two last codex's (even if rumors says next year is the year of the xenos, these still have to be done. The xenos aspect probably means one xenos faction will have new models or maybe a new race).

As an avid SoB player I don't see them making plastic models for them (however, will get rules for Veridyan and maybe one more generic HQ choice apart from the Canoness). Maybe they will get a flyer that can use similar parts to the current Immolator (eg the gunner sister), but I doubt it. I personally don't mind, I have a massive sisters army (and if they do release new plastic infantry prob won't fit in with the awesome metal we have now).
The reason I don't think will make plastic SoB is design and production costs + risk on an army that if really did sell well, they would have made them plastic ages ago. They might take a risk like they did with GSC, but why would they with the new addition/managing new models for Nurgle and the new Primaris. It would probably be to much of a financial risk (dependent on sales of Primaris and Nurgle). Next year they would have to come up with something new to sell and maybe it would be SoB but I would see them re-doing Eldar etc over SoB tbh (with alot more Eldar female models etc).

For Deathwatch (my other big army atm). I don't see them doing to much with them in regards to Primaris. DW are meant to be very elite (points wise not slots. Struggle for being so expensive if solo atm). Why would they produce a range of models that cost even more points for an army that is already points starved? For them all I see is points tweaks, add in current Primaris and some rules adjustments.

I could be wrong on all which is ok. If we get new models for either of these factions it will make some people happy which is awesome and diversity is always fun to see, utilise and play against. However, just with some tweaks these two armies are great as is.

Cheers,
SC

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I'm more concerned with having good rules than new models.


We've had poor rules support for a very long time. In addition, the current and recent balance of our rules has encouraged our use as a token allied force with no more than a handful of units attached to a larger, different force, which is, in my opinion, problematic.

In addition, plastic models wouldn't really be for us. I've said this before, but GW know that current Sisters of Battle players are 1: content to buy metal models at $10 a model, and 2: already have a fair amount of what we need to play games. The edition has changed the latter somewhat, but the first point stands and the second will re-establish itself quickly, so a move to plastic would be geared towards attracting new players, a policy which, coincidentally, complements the structuring of the army as an allied detachment.

I would not be opposed to bringing new players to the army, if the intent was for them to play the army as a full sized and independent force. However, I'd rather be an eclectic and sporadically supported army than a designated allied detachment, as the former policy just leads to us being slowly eclipsed by power creed while the latter leads to rules that are incredibly one-dimensional and actively detrimental to us.


In addition, I honestly like the metal figures. If I objected to them, I wouldn't be playing this army. Celestine and her Geminae do look very nice though, and their design is faithful to the metal figures, so I'm not particularly concerned about the actual appearance of potential plastic models; I'm sure they'd be nice.


Also, I don't think plastic models are coming soon. As long as our stuff is "temporarily out of stock", it means they've got another production run lined up, which means they intend to sell another production run's worth of models before producing plastic anything. In addition, our stuff goes "temporarily out of stock" all the time; I'm no stranger to having to wait a month or two to buy what I actually want to buy; so it's not abnormal. If anything, it's indicative that things will proceed as they have been for the foreseeable future.

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In regards to your token allied force comment: Obviously SoB used in conjunction with other forces is phenomenal (Celestine and or Dominions/repressors etc, (used as a separate detachment for those who have codex's released) with pretty much any Imperium army makes it better), which could/they prob are using to boost sales. However, this edition they are viable solo (against some armies is a hard ask but they are good). When they get a book and add in Warlord traits/strats/ the mandatory 1 more generic HQ, fix some units like repentia etc they should be up there.

To the OP
The consolidation of SoB models in the GW online store (the change came out a few months before 8th dropped) I think is more of a sign that:
"They don't sell awesomely, so lets give them o.k rules in 8th and consolidate it so individual sales are larger" more than "lets limit the line to make way for plastic" .

And ye SoB stock is always going "temp out of stock", It has been for years (because they don't stock a lot in some countries because doesn't sell great). Many times I do an order and click back in and is "temp out of stock, email etc" right away because they only had a small amount in country.

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Shieldwolf will have a full release long before gw ever releases plastic sisters of their own.
   
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Seriously. How hard would it be for geedub to make a start collecting kit for sisters.
An immolator.
A cannoness.
10 girls bss as per website
5 girl dom squad w/mixed specials

Done.

Would sell like sister Arinya's hot cakes. Id take 3 of em. Dont even have to be plastic but it wouldnt be hard to make this in plastic. Hell its already majority of the range.
   
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Giantwalkingchair wrote:
Seriously. How hard would it be for geedub to make a start collecting kit for sisters.
An immolator.
A cannoness.
10 girls bss as per website
5 girl dom squad w/mixed specials

Done.

Would sell like sister Arinya's hot cakes. Id take 3 of em. Dont even have to be plastic but it wouldnt be hard to make this in plastic. Hell its already majority of the range.


Approx $323 AU atm right there? Even if half price, idk if right money for a starter set...

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Maybe that's part of the reason. I ain't spending that much for a Start Collecting box when I can get others for cheap.

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Ye has always been sisters problem (from a player pov, eg to expensive, not enough players to justify plastic) from GW pov never enough sales, to expensive to change molds/time to plastic.
With metal 'a start collecting box' of sisters will never work (to expensive)

Is a redundant chant that has happened again and again.

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One will cave.

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I have a large 30k Thousand Sons army and am not planning on collecting any other army after.

I don't care as much about Sisters of Battle, but if GW were to release a whole new line of plastic models for them, I'd buy them in a heartbeat just to make sure they stay printed.
   
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I really think GW would be surprised at the success of Sisters if they released plastics for them so that they were a reasonably affordable and accessible army.

Especially in 8th where Imperial soup is extremely common.

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After talking with a lot of other people, I've learned that it's the Painting side of the community that actually makes more for GW than the gaming side.

Gamers will buy cheap armies off of Ebay or will fill out their army with recasts from china while Painters want the best quality they can get and don't mind buying from GW direct.

When it comes to updating old models, GW is happy to do it to give those painters a new challenge, hence the update to things like Plague Marines and Thousand Sons, things that we were begging to get updated for years.

Also, this whole idea of a 'financial risk' is bupkis. Dark Eldar were an even bigger financial risk, but it paid off big time. They sold hugely well, especially with those painters, because it was something that GW had never put out before.

They can do that again with Sisters of Battle, just like they did with Genestealers, and they know it.

To be honest, I think it really comes down to the higher ups in GW thinking that they won't be popular enough, holding onto old ideas and old sales figures, but how can they determine that sort of thing?

I think that releasing the updated Celestine and giving her such potent rules was a test, but their mistake was boxing her with Cawl. They wouldn't be able to get a good idea of numbers of people interested in Sisters if those numbers may also just be people interested in AdMech, a recently updated line of models.

Finally, as to what armies need what, Deathwatch don't 'need' a flier, just like AdMech didn't 'need' a transport. I don't recommend looking to fill out force org slots as a good way of seeing what GW will 'definitely' add. After the AdMech update, it's pretty clear that the force org slot is not a law of updates.


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I hope they do add in some more SoB elements (I don't really care about money, If I want something I buy it...big deal). However, GW is a business and the bottom line is their prerogative. The risks they take also is dependent on research, for example if since *their re-released they had alot of Sob sales they may take that in production... However, Deathguard etc was probably in production 6 months before was released... (need time for rules, crafters etc) so was planned and they are waiting to see results, same as Primarius.

If you think a multi-million dollar company releases things based on one thing: either rules (which they adjust to the market) or painting or style you are crazy... It is off a multitude of facets.

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I've said this before, but GW know that current Sisters of Battle players are 1: content to buy metal models at $10 a model, and 2: already have a fair amount of what we need to play games. The edition has changed the latter somewhat, but the first point stands and the second will re-establish itself quickly, so a move to plastic would be geared towards attracting new players, a policy which, coincidentally, complements the structuring of the army as an allied detachment.


Even die-hard sisters players must be getting tired of the old metal models after so many years.

   
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Even die-hard sisters players must be getting tired of the old metal models after so many years.


The models hold up after so many years (some 96, 03 etc). I think they still look great as a cohesive force.

EDIT: Why am I getting tiered of something that looks good and looks better than most current models? AKA deathguard (I hate the look period.. why do i want to look at a plague... and primarias why do I want marines when I have a few hundred of and the new ones only bigger...)

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I agree, a lot of the Sisters range is awesome. If they just commited to rereleasing all that stuff at a reasonable price point with some rules updates, I think you'd see some happy customers.

Not as many happy customers as a full update, but some of those models still look fantastic.

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 Gamgee wrote:
Also that same year Atia said if the Exodites come out it would be at least two years away. However she didn't seem very confident on them coming out as it was a "someday" army GW might get around too.


Well, so were Mechanicus and Genestealer Cults for a long time. And GW seem determined to mine every obscure corner of 40K apocrypha before they release Sisters, so I think they'll be an army right after the Demiurg and Rak'Gol.

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