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In the recent deathguard fluff, Mortarion and the deathguard are so badass. How badass?


One deathguard sorcerer can take down a whole planet.

Just Mortarion, plus his deathshroud took down an entire necron legion.

Mortarion kicked Huron’s butt and humbled him.

He banishes Ka/Bandha back to the warp.

Deathguard toxins and viral bombs are so lethal and poisoness that even the Hive fleets have problems with them. In a conflict with Hive fleet Lotan, planet Hesp was left alone by the hive fleet because it was so toxic the first hive ship that tried to drain it had its proboscis melted off, and was bombarded into oblivion by the rest of its fleet (I found this hilarious).

And finally, Mortarion, with a deathguard army, beat Perturabo, with an iron warriors army, And the iron warriors had a renegade titan legion helping them too!

So, from this fluff, Mortarion is stronger than Perturabo? *sweats*

It's almost like each factions codex wants to make that faction look more badass.

I guarantee if the Iron Warriors ever got their own codex, it would mention how they achieved some super secret objective that make their loss actually a win.

JUST ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU!</Tzeentch>

Eldenfirefly wrote:

Mortarion kicked Huron’s butt and humbled him.

I think you mean Typhus here as Mortarion would definitely kick Huron's butt. He's a Daemon Primarch after all . We don't necessarily know the full story behind the battle between Typhus and Huron but stay tuned for moreeeeeeee Battles of interestttttt!!!!

Eldenfirefly wrote:
And finally, Mortarion, with a deathguard army, beat Perturabo, with an iron warriors army, And the iron warriors had a renegade titan legion helping them too!

It didn't come off quite like that if you ask me. Seems to suggest that the battle was going in the favour of the Iron Warriors but as it dragged on the virulent nature of the Death Guard was causing havoc amongst the machines of the Iron Warriors army, making machine spirits go nuts and causing some drastic body work problems. Perturabo could have continued the fight but chose to retreat realising that there was too much to lose should he try and uphold his ego. It says that they were badly mauled but victorious.

Eldenfirefly wrote:

One deathguard sorcerer can take down a whole planet.

If I remember correctly he had the help of a bunch of Nurgle cults and he eventually summoned daemons once his uprising reached a critical mass.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
In the recent deathguard fluff, Mortarion and the deathguard are so badass. How badass?
Deathguard toxins and viral bombs are so lethal and poisoness that even the Hive fleets have problems with them. In a conflict with Hive fleet Lotan, planet Hesp was left alone by the hive fleet because it was so toxic the first hive ship that tried to drain it had its proboscis melted off, and was bombarded into oblivion by the rest of its fleet (I found this hilarious).

Actually that mess was the fault of both sides. The Tyranids deployed Toxicrines and Venomthropes en-mass and the toxic arms race resulted in the planet being too toxic to do anything with (makes sense, you have Nurgle's supernatural plagues mixed with hyper-toxic Tyranid viruses, spores, and phage cells).

Sorceror thing isn't anything new.

It's long been established that the careful husbanding of Cults can bring down planets and even sectors. Probably easier with a group, but still doable on your Jack Jones.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

Eldenfirefly wrote:

Mortarion kicked Huron’s butt and humbled him.

I think you mean Typhus here as Mortarion would definitely kick Huron's butt. He's a Daemon Primarch after all . We don't necessarily know the full story behind the battle between Typhus and Huron but stay tuned for moreeeeeeee Battles of interestttttt!!!!

Eldenfirefly wrote:
And finally, Mortarion, with a deathguard army, beat Perturabo, with an iron warriors army, And the iron warriors had a renegade titan legion helping them too!

It didn't come off quite like that if you ask me. Seems to suggest that the battle was going in the favour of the Iron Warriors but as it dragged on the virulent nature of the Death Guard was causing havoc amongst the machines of the Iron Warriors army, making machine spirits go nuts and causing some drastic body work problems. Perturabo could have continued the fight but chose to retreat realising that there was too much to lose should he try and uphold his ego. It says that they were badly mauled but victorious.

Opps, my mistake on Mortarion beating Huron. It was Typhus.

For the deathguard vs iron warriors battle. A victory is still a victory! Its two major chaos legions battling it out. Heavy injuries are to be expected.

Beating someone one time doesn't makes you more powerfull, doesn't make DG more powerfull than IW because they won a battle.
Theres so many, many variables in a battle that can change the outcome... (Plus, is the DG codex, as BaconCatBug said)

it makes sense that Mortarion would beat Perturabo. One has the backing of a major chaos god fueling him, the other does not

Well for raw physical strength I believe only Ferrus Manus was stronger then Mortarion.

I was a bit surprised by the Morty vs Perty fight also . moreso that they mentioned Daemon Perty at all. Gives me hope that we might see more than just the Big 4 for Daemon Primarchs in the fit.

Definitely think the new Ferric Blight fluff is pretty cool. Missed an opportunity for a unique DG warpsmith with that one. Have them speed up damage results on vehicles and such. I painted mine up in pre-heresy DG colors for my Cult Of Destruction formation. I'm gonna miss that guy.

I have just received the codex, and to me it more looked like Perturabo and Mortarion stalemated each other with the victor actually being decided by their respective legions, rather either Primarch defeating the other.

I also can't help but be amused by notion that the Iron Warriors lost because the couldn't bear the attrition.

Edit: This codex made me really yearn for some DG centric novels, something in the style of Storm of Iron or even the Dark Apostle series.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Well for raw physical strength I believe only Ferrus Manus was stronger then Mortarion.

I thought Vulkan said he was the physically strongest?

Before they all turned into Daemon Primarchs, Probably Lemun Russ was physically the strongest? (Either him or Magnus). Because legends of Russ's strength are a big feature in the space wolves codex.

However, once the Daemon Primarchs ascended to daemon princes, then I think it would be fair to say that the primarchs in terms of strength and stats are likely one tier above the loyalist space marine primarchs already. It makes sense too.

So, in terms of strongest primarchs now, we would probably be safe comparing just within the Daemon Primarchs.

Vulkan taunting Curze in 'Vulkan Lives' wrote:"Of all of us, father made me the strongest. Physically, I have no equal amongst my siblings. In the sparring cages [amongst the Primarchs] I used to hold back..."

Well my point stands. Now that all the daemon primarchs have ascended, they are likely physically in a different tier now.

 Ketara wrote:

Vulkan taunting Curze in 'Vulkan Lives' wrote:"Of all of us, father made me the strongest. Physically, I have no equal amongst my siblings. In the sparring cages [amongst the Primarchs] I used to hold back..."

That's not very objective to be fair.

The OP is pretty exaggerated, misleading to the point of being blatantly false in some places.

What... all of it was taken from the fluff of the new deathguard codex. I didn't make this stuff up! :( I might have made a mistake (It was Typhus that humbled Huron, not Mortarion). But I maintain that I took it all from the codex!

The only way to square each and every codex's fluff against the others is to take the position that the information you're being provided is relayed to you buy a rambling drunk guy wearing a 'I heart X faction' t-shirt stumbling up to you in a bar saying 'heeey dude, I know dish reely gud story that'sh totally 100 purcent tru, wanna hear it'.

Perhaps there's some grain of truth in what he's saying, but this man is clearly a drunken fanboy. Take what he says with a pinch of salt.

Works nicely for BL novels too

Well, admittedly, I know little about Vulcan beyond his ability to reincarnate. That quote does seem like self-proclaiming as the top duelist was either Sanguinious or Angron with Horus remarking to others that should Angron go into rage mode he would defeat Sanguinious. For sheer strength I thought it was Ferrus but I could be wrong. Primarch''s were obscure with only tid bits of lore leaving much to the imagination, until recently....a pity.

Eldenfirefly wrote:
Before they all turned into Daemon Primarchs, Probably Lemun Russ was physically the strongest? (Either him or Magnus). Because legends of Russ's strength are a big feature in the space wolves codex.

However, once the Daemon Primarchs ascended to daemon princes, then I think it would be fair to say that the primarchs in terms of strength and stats are likely one tier above the loyalist space marine primarchs already. It makes sense too.

So, in terms of strongest primarchs now, we would probably be safe comparing just within the Daemon Primarchs.

Well, the other Primarchs were a bit afraid of Leman since he supposedly had something to do with the 2 missing Primarchs not being around.

Ravingbantha wrote:

Eldenfirefly wrote:
Before they all turned into Daemon Primarchs, Probably Lemun Russ was physically the strongest? (Either him or Magnus). Because legends of Russ's strength are a big feature in the space wolves codex.

However, once the Daemon Primarchs ascended to daemon princes, then I think it would be fair to say that the primarchs in terms of strength and stats are likely one tier above the loyalist space marine primarchs already. It makes sense too.

So, in terms of strongest primarchs now, we would probably be safe comparing just within the Daemon Primarchs.

Well, the other Primarchs were a bit afraid of Leman since he supposedly had something to do with the 2 missing Primarchs not being around.

Implied, never confirmed.

 ProwlerPC wrote:
Well, admittedly, I know little about Vulcan beyond his ability to reincarnate. That quote does seem like self-proclaiming as the top duelist was either Sanguinious or Angron with Horus remarking to others that should Angron go into rage mode he would defeat Sanguinious. For sheer strength I thought it was Ferrus but I could be wrong. Primarch''s were obscure with only tid bits of lore leaving much to the imagination, until recently....a pity.

There are different types of 'strength'. I don't believe that Vulkan was talking about his fighting prowess or skill upon the battlefield with the above quote; but rather raw physical strength of the muscular variety. That makes sense with him having to hold back, as in a practice fight one might be expected to pull punches somewhat.

We also have something of a direct comparison with the Lion and Guilliman; when those two connected weaponry with Curze he was able to block and deflect the blows. With Vulkan however? Curze regularly gets smacked about the room even when he successfully blocks Vulkan's attacks. The sheer force of Vulkan's strikes knocks him over. Vulkan appears to be much stronger in terms of brute force than the other two, yet the Lion is regularly championed as one of the greatest fighters amongst the Primarchs. It makes Vulkan a poor match for Curze, as his being able to see an attack coming means little if his parries are ineffectual against the power of the blows.

Logically therefore, the conclusion is that Vulkan is talking about his physical strength. Which would make sense given he's the 'Blacksmith' Primarch. Blacksmiths have always been known for the huge bloody muscles they develop in working forges and metal.

 Galas wrote:
Beating someone one time doesn't makes you more powerfull, doesn't make DG more powerfull than IW because they won a battle.
Theres so many, many variables in a battle that can change the outcome... (Plus, is the DG codex, as BaconCatBug said)

It depends on what they excel at too,

if you had a fortress to break and a deathguard where on other side, they are experts in siege and counter siege warfare. There formations, war machines and commandors are designed to do that job to a level unparalleled by none other. If the IW decided to dig in they excel in the breaking of defense lines so know excactly how to counter every attack stratagem, because they done it already.

The deathguard are a super tough army, they love a foot slogging battle or endurence, meat grinders where there nurgle abailities make them nigh impossible to kill.

its a matter of who has home field advantage.