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Found this interesting on da webz:

https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-crisis-after-total-warhammer-2-gets-pirated-in-hours-170929/

Turns out that GW licensees must have paid for the most advanced protection, and it doesn't work.
For some fans, with capable computers, this may be a boon?

Side note, I wonder if feelings on this issue are divided pretty much along the lines of those who appreciate Chinese resin and those who do not.

I respect the total war developers and their products offer vast content for a very fair price. Without the profits from each game they cannot make the next game.

I would gladly pay for each total war game.

That being said, I have no problem with recasts if it means higher quality models for a fairer price (hierophants with brass rods in the legs for 100 instead of bendy leg forgeworld for 300/anything finecast)

 jeff white wrote:
Found this interesting on da webz:

https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-crisis-after-total-warhammer-2-gets-pirated-in-hours-170929/

Turns out that GW licensees must have paid for the most advanced protection, and it doesn't work.
For some fans, with capable computers, this may be a boon?

Side note, I wonder if feelings on this issue are divided pretty much along the lines of those who appreciate Chinese resin and those who do not.

As with everything else, there's far more nuance in most people's attitudes towards file sharing than is permitted by the zealots, but unfortunately it's difficult to discuss the matter because forum rules tend to prevent anyone but one "side"'s zealots from speaking openly.

I think it's safe to say, however, that whether you're pro or anti or anywhere in between on the actual act of sharing, this is just yet another example of why DRM is nonsense and always has been nonsense. The only people it ends up impacting negatively are people who actually pay for the product and it's almost always useless at preventing sharing once a few games have gone by and the crackers understand the underlying mechanisms. DRM only ever had two purposes - restricting the rights of legitimate consumers to extract more money from them, and placating tech-illiterate investors and old-world Mighty Rightie "only abject misery can inspire folk to stop being lazy poors" types.

EDIT: And before anyone makes assumptions - I bought TW1 and will play TW2 when I buy that.

DRM sometimes can prevent a game from being pirated for a few hours or days. Seeing as that the first few hours and days after release are the moment that the vast majority of a game's profit is made, game companies keep using DRM. They don't really care all that much if the game is pirated after that, because the amount of sales that gets made after the release period is relatively very low anyways. They already got their profit. That said, this particularly system has been cracked, so including it on a game is totally useless and only punishes legal customers.

Funnily enough, DRM is the only reason I sometimes pirate games. I just can't stand Steam, it is so obnoxious. I have stopped buying products that only run on Steam altogether. Apart from Warhammer Total War, I couldn't resist that one. First Steam game I bought in years.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Funnily enough, DRM is the only reason I sometimes pirate games. I just can't stand Steam, it is so obnoxious. I have stopped buying products that only run on Steam altogether. Apart from Warhammer Total War, I couldn't resist that one. First Steam game I bought in years.

Yeah, I avoided Steam until Total Warhammer made it unavoidable.

 jeff white wrote:
Found this interesting on da webz:

https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-crisis-after-total-warhammer-2-gets-pirated-in-hours-170929/

Turns out that GW licensees must have paid for the most advanced protection, and it doesn't work.
For some fans, with capable computers, this may be a boon?

Side note, I wonder if feelings on this issue are divided pretty much along the lines of those who appreciate Chinese resin and those who do not.

Every single top title is pirated within the first few hours of release, video game protection has not worked for a long long time.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
DRM sometimes can prevent a game from being pirated for a few hours or days. Seeing as that the first few hours and days after release are the moment that the vast majority of a game's profit is made, game companies keep using DRM. They don't really care all that much if the game is pirated after that, because the amount of sales that gets made after the release period is relatively very low anyways. They already got their profit. That said, this particularly system has been cracked, so including it on a game is totally useless and only punishes legal customers.

Yes, I think i've read somewhere that the videogames industry does not aim to stop people pirating the games 'forever', they instead try to make the games as resistant to be 'broken' and pirated as possible, then the pirated versions are available some days or weeks after the launch of the game, so the people that want-it-now would impulse buy the game instead of search and download it, if they cannot found it inmmediately.

So, the more time passes on and the game is still 'unbroken', the best for them, and its the goal for the videogames companies. I think in this case if TW:W2 only lasted a few hours, that means the protection didn't work very well...