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Just wondering if it's going?

Never interested me, because KoW, but I'm curious.




 
   
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Wrong forum, there is a whole seperate section for this.

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Right forum now...

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There is no T9A for a couple hundred miles of me in any direction.

Kings of War here has a small dedicated following. They have regular events and their last event had 32 players involved.

Most people I know won't touch T9A because its a fan project and not backed by anything legit.

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 Alpharius wrote:
Right forum now...

Thanks. Sorry for the trouble.

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A pretty timely question, DarkBlack.

The game is not dead by any means, but it appears to be in a pretty precarious position(in USA particularly) and it seems to be self inflicted.

Seems like the booting from Adepticon was an opportunity for a few folks to get some stuff off their chest. There is also a lively discussion on T9A forums that was spurred on by the first video below(Lord Tremendous Rant) . Its been pretty interesting reading. Reminds me of classic WoW when a prominent 40 man raid guild would collapse or was about to collapse and morph into something else.

My opinion as an outside looking in, they are top heavy, risk adverse and not entirely focused. Ignoring the foul language and hyperbole in the video's below, there are recurring themes in all of their criticisms. Only one of the videos is from someone who seems to have never got into T9A.


Former 9th Age "Head of Content", WHFB 8th Edition rulebook burner, vehement AoS critic(put mildly) and apparently friend of the dude who burnt his Dark Elf army at the launch of AoS:

Cursing, so NSFW if you work at an establishment that frowns on that:




This looks to be a T9A player who shares his opinion. Probably the most reasonable of the videos. If you watch any, I'd recommend this one, as this is probably the least hyperbolic and presents his arguments in a more measured manner.




A Kings of War players opinion. He seems pretty eccentric, but I think that's his modus operandi:




Another longtime T9A player. Some cursing during his morning commute!




And finally, an Aussie opinion. First 50 minutes are "state of T9A" and he played it heavily when it launched. He also makes a point about T9A players and their particular negative focus on AoS that doesn't appear amongst players in other systems. I tend to share that observation.








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 nels1031 wrote:
A pretty timely question, DarkBlack.
Spoiler:

The game is not dead by any means, but it appears to be in a pretty precarious position(in USA particularly) and it seems to be self inflicted.

Seems like the booting from Adepticon was an opportunity for a few folks to get some stuff off their chest. There is also a lively discussion on T9A forums that was spurred on by the first video below(Lord Tremendous Rant) . Its been pretty interesting reading. Reminds me of classic WoW when a prominent 40 man raid guild would collapse or was about to collapse and morph into something else.

My opinion as an outside looking in, they are top heavy, risk adverse and not entirely focused. Ignoring the foul language and hyperbole in the video's below, there are recurring themes in all of their criticisms. Only one of the videos is from someone who seems to have never got into T9A.


Former 9th Age "Head of Content", 8th Edition rulebook burner, vehemeny AoS critic(put mildly) and apparently friend of the dude who burnt his Dark Elf army at the launch of AoS:

Cursing, so NSFW if you work at an establishment that frowns on that:




This looks to be a T9A player who shares his opinion. Probably the most reasonable of the videos. If you watch any, I'd recommend this one, as this is probably the least hyperbolic and presents his arguments in a more measured manner.




A Kings of War players opinion. He seems pretty eccentric, but I think that's his modus operandi:




Another longtime T9A player. Some cursing during his morning commute!




And finally, an Aussie opinion. First 50 minutes are "state of T9A" and he played it heavily when it launched. He also makes a point about T9A players and their particular negative focus on AoS that doesn't appear amongst players in other systems. I tend to share that observation.





Doom and Darkness prompted the question. Thanks for the rundown.

AoS hate does annoy me; some of my KoW opponents still seem to have a grudge. I'm not a huge fan of AoS myself, but just gaking on it is juvenile. People enjoy it, if you're not one of them do something else.

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Watched the first video...

Seems running a game system isn't something easily done.

But funny how he rags on AoS, and not so casually insults its player base, then bangs on about maturity and that.

Can't we all just get along?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Watched the first video...

Seems running a game system isn't something easily done.

But funny how he rags on AoS, and not so casually insults its player base, then bangs on about maturity and that.

Can't we all just get along?


Sounds like the running of volunteer based organisations, like gaming clubs.
People who do it professionally can do it better, even if you are better at it despite their skill (they got a job doing it) and experience, they have more time and resources. It is their job, you have to find time after yours.




 
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Watched the first video...

Seems running a game system isn't something easily done.

But funny how he rags on AoS, and not so casually insults its player base, then bangs on about maturity and that.

Can't we all just get along?


Also, he plays 40K, which is like modified AoS, so I think the hate stems from somewhere else, other than the rules. It harkens back to Doom and Darkness's observation about some of the more toxic T9A-ers.

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Unfortunately, he comes across as the sort of person that gives any game system a bad name.

Not content with choosing to insult people for daring to enjoy a game not his taste (and he can of course enjoy or not any game he damn well chooses, so no hypocrisy here), but he then makes wildly baseless claims, such as T9A being responsible for an upswing in sales over AoS.

For a man ranting about the ego of others, he could do with a little introspection.

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Unfortunately I think as the game gives a massive platform to fans (it being fan run), then some of those have a very loud mouth and opinions. Honestly, I think 'friend of someone who famously burnt their Dark Elf army' can immediately be put into the same group as people that have pet root vegetables and wear a cap with the tiny spinning fan on top - i.e. they can be ignored, and aren't representative of the majority of the group.

The forums are still really active (with the majority of people being pretty reasonable), Twitter group too with loads of tournaments ongoing and I don't think it's going anywhere soon. The whole thing is such a labour of love by the designers, and very well organised for the most part, that I think you can't help but be enamoured by it.

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But funny how he rags on AoS, and not so casually insults its player base, then bangs on about maturity and that. 


I was with the 9th age forum since it began to the end of last year when I got fed up with the negativity.

9th age players have no room to talk down on other players. The amount of juvenile posts I've seen and endless whining(mostly from HE players) made me wonder why I stayed there.

Then we figured out they really didn't care about community input as polls were constantly ignored by the higher ups and what few things you might get would get washed away with the next update.(the whole forum hierarchy thing was tiresome as well, my friend on the art team tried to pm me Bret concepts to renew my interest but even then I was blocked from seeing it)

Then 1.3 hit and the forum anger hit a zenith with even the mods telling fans to leave if they didn't like it.

Pretty that and the increasing AoS hate had me wash my hands of it entirely. (I wished I had left with the early flood of Bret devs who got fed up with 9th at it's beginning days.)

So good luck to 9th age all the same but it's AoS and 8.5 for me where I can go to forums with happy fans that don't give me depression.

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Sounds like a clash of egos, sadly.

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It's dead to me, and good riddance.

As a Dogs of War player, who would have written an Army Book, the way that DoW were treated is infuriating.

I'll play and promote AoS instead.

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 Pacific wrote:
Unfortunately I think as the game gives a massive platform to fans (it being fan run), then some of those have a very loud mouth and opinions. Honestly, I think 'friend of someone who famously burnt their Dark Elf army' can immediately be put into the same group as people that have pet root vegetables and wear a cap with the tiny spinning fan on top - i.e. they can be ignored, and aren't representative of the majority of the group.


Then what does that say about T9A that someone of this caliber could be made "Head of Content"?

Also, much of what he says is also backed/reiterated up by folks in the other videos, in more eloquent ways. Focusing on what this dude's friend did in a historic fit of nerd rage and ignoring what he has to say seems like folly. The youtube chat below this rant has the owner/mouthpiece of The Miniature Solutions( think that was the name, he was Polish and did the alternate Tomb Kings for T9A) agreeing with him. That was a guy who started a business to support T9A almost exclusively, and he seems to be jaded on the project.

 Pacific wrote:
The forums are still really active (with the majority of people being pretty reasonable), Twitter group too with loads of tournaments ongoing and I don't think it's going anywhere soon. The whole thing is such a labour of love by the designers, and very well organised for the most part, that I think you can't help but be enamoured by it.


Ya, I don't think its going to vanish like a thief in the night, but I do believe that it has already peaked.

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Where can I find a "version 8.5" of whfb?

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Well, that's actually two 8.5's but I refer to EEFL (eighth edition for life) where they balance out the armies(within reason, no "tournament level only!!" nonsense) and even make rules for AoS models.

The other 8.5 was by Furion which also did a great job at balancing out armies and keeping them fun. His stuff was going strong last year with the common "yeah, you 9th guys don't know what you're doing. I'm going to use Furion's stuff" being heard but I don't know the recent activity for it.

As a Dogs of War player, who would have written an Army Book, the way that DoW were treated is infuriating. 


Ah, that's a pity. I saw the enthusiasm for them before I left and even the on life support DoW forum sparked to life a bit when it was talked about.

Though I'm not surprised, 9th's tournament obsession and catering to popular armies ensured it being left in squatdom.

Edit: any interest in making a fan-made battletome for them like Mengal miniatures did for Tomb Kings? You could start a discord for it like we're doing with the Bret Battletome and work out new fluff and warscrolls with fellow fans there.

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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's dead to me, and good riddance.

As a Dogs of War player, who would have written an Army Book, the way that DoW were treated is infuriating.

I'll play and promote AoS instead.

Coming from you that's such a shock.

Anyway, 9th's problem was always going to be the lack of an official stamp. Tabletop gamers have a huge mob mentality, especially the ones who've only ever touched Games Workshop products. Kings of War at least had an established company behind it, one that's grown fairly well with the fallout from WHFB's demise. As much as I applauded their efforts, it was always going to end poorly, just because it's still slapped with the 'unofficial fan project' issue.

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I haven't played T9A yet. I want to, but I'm busy with setting up my army.

In my opinion, with any community made game you're going to have a power struggle and "too many hands in the pot." I understand user input with playtests but from what I'm seeing on the T9A forums is a lot of complaining just for the sake of complaining.

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 nels1031 wrote:
 Pacific wrote:
Unfortunately I think as the game gives a massive platform to fans (it being fan run), then some of those have a very loud mouth and opinions. Honestly, I think 'friend of someone who famously burnt their Dark Elf army' can immediately be put into the same group as people that have pet root vegetables and wear a cap with the tiny spinning fan on top - i.e. they can be ignored, and aren't representative of the majority of the group.


Then what does that say about T9A that someone of this caliber could be made "Head of Content"?


It says that it's an open project and that they'll take anyone who's willing to put the work (as Lord T did, he pumped a lot of YouTube videos).

Over here the scene is healthy enough, with monthly 30+ tournaments filled to capacity, and in a few weeks a 150-something team event.

There's a lot of discussion on T9A forum about the whys and the buts, but the tl;dr version is:

- T9A can't pay Adepticon for space so they've done the next best thing which is host a GT next door on the same dates.
- 2.0 will be released when it is ready, since this is still done by volunteers putting a whole lot of time, but ultimately still in their spare time. As much as Lord To wanted it right away right now it just can't be done if it's going to be done right (and it needs to)

And finally that there's already a video on the 2-player box (Brets and TK) that's going to KS by TMS and that will include 2 ready armies and a printed rulebook.



   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's dead to me, and good riddance.

As a Dogs of War player, who would have written an Army Book, the way that DoW were treated is infuriating.

I'll play and promote AoS instead.

Coming from you that's such a shock.

Anyway, 9th's problem was always going to be the lack of an official stamp. Tabletop gamers have a huge mob mentality, especially the ones who've only ever touched Games Workshop products. Kings of War at least had an established company behind it, one that's grown fairly well with the fallout from WHFB's demise. As much as I applauded their efforts, it was always going to end poorly, just because it's still slapped with the 'unofficial fan project' issue.


Indeed.

No other manufacturer could possibly produce the equivalent of what WFB8 had at the time of its demise, simply due to the incredible bloat of the range and armies, to say nothing of the capstone End Times models. At least not in 28-30-32mm. One could have taken the WFB8 engine and ported it over to multi-based 5mm blocks, and that would have been a fine opportunity to distinguish from AoS, KoW and T9A.

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-- 2k Pale Templars CSM
-- 2k Ordo Lucifer =I=
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Those models are fantastic!

Did TMS solve their pricing problem? I remember their first skeletons were about $10 a piece and they couldn't change it despite the protests. (That he advertised it on the AoS section of this very forum was telling the pricing was causing them trouble)

The comment section of the video just reaffirms that I was right to leave that fanbase, though. Amazing models and great video ad but first thing they do is take shots at GW. (though that GW lawsuit guy is a nuisance just trying to fan the flames. GW doesn't care about 9th age at all, especially now that they're basically fan-made Mantic with their own system and copycat models)

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Baron Klatz wrote:
Those models are fantastic!

Did TMS solve their pricing problem? I remember their first skeletons were about $10 a piece and they couldn't change it despite the protests. (That he advertised it on the AoS section of this very forum was telling the pricing was causing them trouble)

The comment section of the video just reaffirms that I was right to leave that fanbase, though. Amazing models and great video ad but first thing they do is take shots at GW. (though that GW lawsuit guy is a nuisance just trying to fan the flames. GW doesn't care about 9th age at all, especially now that they're basically fan-made Mantic with their own system and copycat models)


I expect that the 2-player box with the KS discounts will be good value.

After that? Not so much. Their sphinx looks nice, and apparently the casting is top-notch and doesn't require cleaning prior to painting..... but it's not 60 euro nice.

Their ushabti are right on the money, though. Much nicer than Mantic's.

   
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Looks like the 9th Age Quickstart boxed set from TMS is DOA.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1516875985/tms-the-9th-age-quick-starter-set/comments


Quite an abrupt end too:

Oct. 28

TMS: Rules included contain all 16 armies that are available in The 9th Age.
And we have the project funded!!!!
Of too work on the stretch goals.


Also Oct. 28

TMS: Hi, We have decided to cancel the Kickstarter. Many of you have make it obvious that this is not what you wanted, we will go back to the drawing board, and make a second attempt.
Thank you for your support.


Project cancelled.

I guess the price was a bit too much? Or was it the armies chosen for the set? Or something more relevant to the topic at hand?

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That's a pity, those were great Bret models. The bottom of the heap popularity of those two armies likely what did it in. (From what I recall, anyway. The numbers for our vote polls were pathetic compared to everyone else.)

Probably will have to go with a more popular army like high elves vs chaos.

   
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Price was definitely what prompted to go back to the drawing table.

According to their FB they're reworking some of the minis into monopose which for a starter box is pretty much standard to offer a better price.

Oh, and both sets of models are for sale separately anyway so everyone was going to check savings vs models purchased separately.

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I like 9th Age a lot, however i stopped at 1.1 and refused to move further.

Nearly all the bad stuff happened after the developers made moves to ringfence the ruleset and army lists against GW legal. This was for v1.2 which became at that time post-Warhammer.
v1.0 and v1.1 were Warthammer-fixed.

The emphasis at the beginning was in ironing out the mistakes of 8th edition WHFB, and to modernise each army book. They did a reasonable job with v1.0, then fixed a few glaring holes for v1.1 which was only a minor change.

v1.2 changed the format a lot and in doing so began restricting the lists, v1.3 ff compounded on that and made the lists increasingly homogeneous. Some improvements were made, but over all the bad outweighed the good, more importantly it lost its roots, quite intentionally, and consequently lost more appeal.

Nowadays I prep my armies for 6th, 8th and 9th Age 1.1. they roll into each other easily.



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9th didn't really get a start from me, people say it's like a better 8th edition but I didn't like a lot of the core features of 8th so I didn't really seek out 9th. Apparently there's a few people who play (or did play, a while ago since I asked) at the FLGS, but I haven't run in to them to organise a game.

 nels1031 wrote:
Also, he plays 40K, which is like modified AoS, so I think the hate stems from somewhere else, other than the rules. It harkens back to Doom and Darkness's observation about some of the more toxic T9A-ers.
I'm not saying he must be like me, but personally ever since I started playing wargames back in the mid 90's I played 40k primarily because I liked the armies and WHFB primarily because I preferred the rules and the overall setting. Over the years I've probably collected a similar number of models for both systems, but I've had more really thoroughly enjoyable WHFB games than 40k ones and I've read more of the background fluff for WHFB than 40k.

So the "well you like 40k and AoS is just like 40k" is a non-argument in why I dislike that WHFB was killed to make WHFB:40k edition and why I have no real interest in AoS. Doesn't help that one of the armies I collect was dropped, another army gutted and another army the fluff got changed to something I don't find interesting.

But personally I just avoid talking about AoS unless other people bring it up.

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KoW is the version of WHFB I wanted.
T9A sounds like an effort to keep the things that put me off, I'm afraid.




 
   
 
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