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2017/10/02 06:31:41
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Yeah i've been watching this on the news for a little bit now. Not a lot is really known at this point. Possible terrorist attack? Seems like a possibility right now.
As sad as it sounds, i'm surprised it took this long for an attack like this to occur at Vegas. Having been there myself and having family there and seeing how many people there are/crowds etc, how unguarded the strip is and how easy it is to access places and get around. IMO it was only a matter of time before something like this happened in Vegas. I'm surprised it happened tonight, but not surprised it happened at all. I have a thing now where I don't like to be where people gather in number. As more footage comes in it looks like pure chaos.
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2017/10/02 07:24:49
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
There are reports that they got one of them, was firing from the 32nd. Suspect is deceased. 2 dead, one of which is apparently an office who was wounded in the neck. 26 wounded, 12 in critical condition. There's supposed to be a police press conference in the next 30 minutes.
20 dead, more then a 100 wounded so far. I guess there was group of off-duty officers in attendance, and they got hit. Reports that several of them are dead, others are wounded.
A ton of speculation to be had so far, maybe it was targeted at them? Maybe a general jihadist terrorism thing? Maybe someone just finally gone off their rocker. They've got the shooter, killed him it sounds like. Won't release his name. They're looking for a woman that they called his "partner". Anglo sounding name, but she was described as asian.
Solid reporting it was automatic gunfire, so can't wait for this to turn into a gun control thread, even though it was clearly done with the use of an illegal weapon.
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2017/10/02 09:49:36
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Pol is saying Geary Danley is possibly the vegas shooter. Police have confirmed the dead perp is a local resident. Likely an m4, bursts were in 30 round intervals, 6-7 bursts over 4 minutes. Accurate methodical fire. If the shooter is the guy pol is saying it is, it would appear his politics are rather left leaning.
Facebook has taken Marilou's profile down (the woman being sought).
I've seen several sites jump on his name, but I'm definitely going to wait before I get on the politics train. It's still way to early to be throwing accusations at random people. Case in point, one of the websites is pointing to a facebook profile of a man who lives in Arkansas, but all reports is the shooter is from Vegas.
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2017/10/02 09:59:01
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: Facebook has taken Marilou's profile down (the woman being sought).
I've seen several sites jump on his name, but I'm definitely going to wait before I get on the politics train. It's still way to early to be throwing accusations at random people.
Yah it's just pol, no one else has confirmed anything. And the FB says arkansas.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Deceased is 64 year old caucasian male Stephen C Paddock.
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2017/10/02 10:28:37
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Yeah... this is why the internet annoys me sometimes. People shooting from the hip, and now some dude who was completely innocent has been drug through the mud.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Latest report, 50 dead, 200 wounded...
This is just horrifying...
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2017/10/02 11:00:12
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
So updated news. A SWAT team engaged and killed him. There were numerous firearms in his room. The women they were searching for has been apprehended. Police are planning to search his home shortly.
A witness reported seeing two people at the concert 45 minutes before the incident walking around telling everyone that they were going to die, descriptions given of the individual don't really match these two.
This has officially become the deadliest mass shooting in our nations history.
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2017/10/02 11:16:38
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
For what it's worth, thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families...
Let's hope Vegas can bounce back.
I was looking at the graphics of where the shooter was, and where the victims were, and I'm wondering what kind of weapon was used here? Clearly something you can't buy from your average gun shop.
Given the shooter's location, elevation, and distance, the shooter had to have had some training.
There is a lot of unanswered questions that need answered.
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2017/10/02 11:22:31
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: Facebook has taken Marilou's profile down (the woman being sought).
I've seen several sites jump on his name, but I'm definitely going to wait before I get on the politics train. It's still way to early to be throwing accusations at random people.
Yah it's just pol, no one else has confirmed anything. And the FB says arkansas.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Deceased is 64 year old caucasian male Stephen C Paddock.
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Not the guy in the pic then. Seeing as that Charles C Paddock is 48, and the nutter in question is 62.
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Many of the dead are likely due to the scale of the attack as well. 250 casualties, first responders just don't have the ability to cope with that in a necessary window. Many likely.died waiting for assistance.
And as pointed out, it was a mass crowd, the gunman fired off hundreds of rounds, doesn't take a well trained marksman to pull that off.
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2017/10/02 11:57:31
Subject: Re:Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Some info is starting to trickle in about him. Apparently middle class man, owned a home in the $350k price range. I consider myself firmly middle class, and that's way out of my price range, *shrugs*.
Reported that local police knew of him prior to the incident, but nothing passed along as to why, yet at least.
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2017/10/02 12:12:41
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Paddock, 64, was a resident of Mesquite, Nevada, a retirement and golf community of about 20,000 people, a police spokesman confirmed.
“We don’t have a lot on Mr Paddock,” Mesquite police spokesman Quinn Averett said. Mesquite PD records held no report of any contact with Paddock, Averett said. No calls for service, no arrests, not even a record of a traffic stop.
Mesquite is just minutes away from Bunkerville, California, the site of an armed standoff at the Bundy Ranch between federal agents and a ranch family and the citizen militia members who came to support them.
Mesquite typically sees about one murder a year, Averett said.
Public records listed previous addresses for Stephen Paddock in Texas and California, as well as a 2010 license to hunt and fish in Alaska.
Based on the very limited info we have so far, nothing about why this happened makes any sense whatsoever. I'd be very surprised if this was linked to the Bundys, but you never know.
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2017/10/02 12:31:38
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: Grasping at straws there, but honestly its as good a theory as anyone has right now.
For want of a better word, the shooter seems so 'average.'
Of course, it's foolish to jump to conclusions at such an early stage, but like I say, it's very strange.
Anyway, let's hope the wounded make a full recovery.
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2017/10/02 12:49:44
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: Grasping at straws there, but honestly its as good a theory as anyone has right now.
For want of a better word, the shooter seems so 'average.'
Of course, it's foolish to jump to conclusions at such an early stage, but like I say, it's very strange.
Anyway, let's hope the wounded make a full recovery.
If anything, it's the choice of venue that makes it hard to make any initial guesses as to the motivations behind the attack. Had this been a political or some other obviously polarizing event, it would be easier to rationalize, but "He didn't like country music" is not a very strong argument to explain shooting at people. It's the lack of an obvious rationale that makes this harder to accept, although " accept" is by no means the right word for it.
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2017/10/02 13:07:12
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
50 dead, 450 wounded at this point. One vid on TV someone is definitely on full auto.
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2017/10/02 13:18:03
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
djones520 wrote: Grasping at straws there, but honestly its as good a theory as anyone has right now.
For want of a better word, the shooter seems so 'average.'
Of course, it's foolish to jump to conclusions at such an early stage, but like I say, it's very strange.
Anyway, let's hope the wounded make a full recovery.
If anything, it's the choice of venue that makes it hard to make any initial guesses as to the motivations behind the attack. Had this been a political or some other obviously polarizing event, it would be easier to rationalize, but "He didn't like country music" is not a very strong argument to explain shooting at people. It's the lack of an obvious rationale that makes this harder to accept, although " accept" is by no means the right word for it.
It's all speculation on my part, but perhaps Vegas itself was the 'problem?' He may have been a religious fundamentalist who regarded the activities at Vegas (gambling, smoking, drinking etc etc ) to be immoral?
At any rate, it's a very sad day for the USA.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
2017/10/02 13:30:54
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Maybe he had enough with the noise and his mind snapped with the anger. Maybe he just grabbed one of his guns and decided to shoot, since he had lots of them with him.
It doesn't have to be political. You go crazy, you have a gun, you shoot. Given the weapon he used, he really didn't need a big reason to make such a slaughter. The weapon he used is designed to kill a lot of people in a short length of time, after all.
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2017/10/02 13:41:14
Subject: Active Shooter in Las Vegas Attacks Country Music Festival with Automatic Weapon
Ten rifles in a hotel room, one of them capable of fully automatic fire (FYI we have very stringent rules about such weapons in the US) - seems pre-meditated.
This took time and at least some planning on the shooter's part. Like most of this type, he took the coward's way out so we may not know why unless he left some sort of note behind.
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