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As title asks, should they? They are a leader choice for slaves but do not have a key word for it. As a result, if you happen to get take ones, or a hero of yours turns into one, you loose the key word, and then loose slaves allegiance buff for having the same marks.

Also because they don't have the keyword of slaves, they can't even been taken and still take the slave alligence.

Do you think this was an oversight? And that they did infect intend for daemon prices to gain the slaves keyword?

I'm not sure what they intended but I feel DPs should have the Slaves to Darkness keyword.

I feel like that's what was meant to be Rai

in 40k they made 2 versions. A legion one and a daemon one. So changing this there, seems to me they know they were wrong in AOS.

I think the evolution of the game is being written as they are going, and it only became a problem as the rules were changing.

You can take a Daemon Prince in a StD army if it is part of the Godsworn Champions of Ruin battalion since the battalion has the Slaves to Darkness allegiance. Also, allegiance is determined at list creation and can't change during the course of the game, so if your leader turns into a Daemon Prince during the battle, the army still has the Slaves to Darkness allegiance.

That's the point, he is listed as a hero for slaves everywhere else. Even in path to glory he is a leader choice. So it seems rather odd you can't take one from the start and can only get one via allies or turning into one. Feel like this was an over sight on GWs part and that deamon prices that are part of the slaves to darkness allegance gain the slaves keyword.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
That's the point, he is listed as a hero for slaves everywhere else. Even in path to glory he is a leader choice. So it seems rather odd you can't take one from the start and can only get one via allies or turning into one. Feel like this was an over sight on GWs part and that deamon prices that are part of the slaves to darkness allegance gain the slaves keyword.

I think I remember that the only way to get him StD keyword is putting him in a battalion. Was there not a rule that if you put something in a battalion all units in the battalion gain the allegiane of that battalion? They used it for the allegiance of that stormcast/sylvaneth battalion... I am not certain though, as I am unable to find the exact rule/faq...

 minisnatcher wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
That's the point, he is listed as a hero for slaves everywhere else. Even in path to glory he is a leader choice. So it seems rather odd you can't take one from the start and can only get one via allies or turning into one. Feel like this was an over sight on GWs part and that deamon prices that are part of the slaves to darkness allegance gain the slaves keyword.

I think I remember that the only way to get him StD keyword is putting him in a battalion. Was there not a rule that if you put something in a battalion all units in the battalion gain the allegiane of that battalion? They used it for the allegiance of that stormcast/sylvaneth battalion... I am not certain though, as I am unable to find the exact rule/faq...

No. Units in a batallion don't suddenly gain keywords. They just have the allegiance added. The Stormcast in the mentioned Sylvaneth batallion have allegiance: SYLVANETH but don't gain this keyword. They remain unaffected by buffs that affect SYLVANETH.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 minisnatcher wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
That's the point, he is listed as a hero for slaves everywhere else. Even in path to glory he is a leader choice. So it seems rather odd you can't take one from the start and can only get one via allies or turning into one. Feel like this was an over sight on GWs part and that deamon prices that are part of the slaves to darkness allegance gain the slaves keyword.

I think I remember that the only way to get him StD keyword is putting him in a battalion. Was there not a rule that if you put something in a battalion all units in the battalion gain the allegiane of that battalion? They used it for the allegiance of that stormcast/sylvaneth battalion... I am not certain though, as I am unable to find the exact rule/faq...

No. Units in a batallion don't suddenly gain keywords. They just have the allegiance added. The Stormcast in the mentioned Sylvaneth batallion have allegiance: SYLVANETH but don't gain this keyword. They remain unaffected by buffs that affect SYLVANETH.

oh ok. Like I said I was not 100% sure without the rule at hand.
So it only helps not having to take that DP as an ally, being able to use him as a general without losing allegiance bonusses like having knights as battle line.

Pretty much, I mean even from a fluff stance it makes sense.

So similar vain, should the chaos sorcerer on manticore also have the wizard keyword, he does not currently

 Backspacehacker wrote:
So similar vain, should the chaos sorcerer on manticore also have the wizard keyword, he does not currently

Huh, that seems like an ovious error. He could not be affected by abilities against WIZARDs. Maybe send GW an email about it?

That's what I was figuring hah. As I was making a tzeentch list I noticed it did not have a wizard key word and was like....crap can't give him a lore of fate lol

Isn't it noted that he is a wizard somewhere else on his warscroll? because otherwhise he would not be able to cast as only wizards are able to cast spells if we follow the rules... (or models that have a special rule that makes an exception off course)

Nope, he does not have the wizard keyword, but it says he my cast one spell and deny one spell

This warscroll https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-chaos-daemonprince-en.pdf absolutely says WIZARD for Daemon Prince of Tzeentch.

it says it under magic. "A chaos sorcerer lord is a wizard."

How is the tzeentch rule formulated for the lore of fate?

Ok in his description is says he is a wizard, but does not assign him the key wors


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Tzeentch says they must be a tzeench wizards, based off keywords.

Either way it's an obvious misprint

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Ok in his description is says he is a wizard, but does not assign him the key wors

Look at the warscroll I linked. I defines all the keywords specifically for each type of Daemon Prince (unaligned and for each Mark).

 Valander wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Ok in his description is says he is a wizard, but does not assign him the key wors

Look at the warscroll I linked. I defines all the keywords specifically for each type of Daemon Prince (unaligned and for each Mark).

Your missing part of the conversation you silly bean :p

Im not talking about the daemon price right now, we are now talking about the sorcerer lord on manticore. He does not have the keyword WIZARD despite it saying, he is a wizard and can cast one power and deny one.

Ah. My bad for scanning the topic and looking at the title.

Just so I'm on the same page, is it this warscroll (the only one that showed up in my Googling): https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-chaos-lord-manticore-en.pdf ?

If so, it doesn't say he can cast anyway, just unbind "as if it were a wizard". If it's a different warscroll, mind posting a link so I'm on the same page?

 Valander wrote:
Ah. My bad for scanning the topic and looking at the title.

Just so I'm on the same page, is it this warscroll (the only one that showed up in my Googling): https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-warscroll-chaos-lord-manticore-en.pdf ?

If so, it doesn't say he can cast anyway, just unbind "as if it were a wizard". If it's a different warscroll, mind posting a link so I'm on the same page?

Close, not lord on manticore, sorcerer lord on manticore.

The original topic though was, should the daemon price have the slaves to darkness keyword

Honestly I would treat the sorcerer lord on manticore as if he had the wizard keyword (for both good and bad) since that is such obvious RAI. AoS has more than one place where RAI/common sense needs to be applied, so far as it often happens without people even realizing it.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Honestly I would treat the sorcerer lord on manticore as if he had the wizard keyword (for both good and bad) since that is such obvious RAI. AoS has more than one place where RAI/common sense needs to be applied, so far as it often happens without people even realizing it.

Exactly, honestly it's one of my biggest pet peeves about AoS is that the rule writers are either super ambiguous or take the "well the answer should be obvious" kind of approch which is really not good in a table top game.

Case in point, the original topic, should the daemon price have the slaves keyword I'd taken as a slaves to darkness alligence.