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Subject: The Last Jedi - Movie Discussion - WARNING - Guaranteed Spoilers Within
I already have my ticket for the evening of the 14th.
The hype is real.
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Subject: Re:The new Last Jedi Trailer just premiered
Okay, the teaser was good and all, but NOW I'm officially pumped! This looks to be a lot better than TFA was, which is nice. Not that I think TFA was bad, per se, just too much the same as ANH for my tastes. Of course, my tastes may be a bit off as I actually like the prequels despite a certain Gungan who shall not be named...
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Not doing it for me.will wait and see how good the reviews are.
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Soopa-Powered Chosen One, check
New cutesy animal companion, check.
Overly symbolic crystal planet spewing red gunk everywhere, weird, but check.
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I wonder what the 4th quarter ESB twist is gonna be for this film.
Are you? From this it looks like a totally deceptive 'she's going turn to the Dark Side and take Darth Emo's hand' but it's totally going to be the heel-face turn that redeems him instead. (though not 'til the next movie, because it has to parallel the narrative structure of the original so it has to end on a down note).
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shameless ESB "parallels" present in the footage shown
Hey now, the 'tie-fighters chase the Falcon through the crystal caverns' scene is totally from Return (it's set up almost exactly like the death star interior, with lots of protrusions and nonsense to dodge, but in red rather than grey), not ESB, same with the Republic fleet getting savaged.
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Anyway, it's amazing how little they've managed to hype up Luke. I wonder what the 4th quarter ESB twist is gonna be for this film.
I think the obvious problem, of course, is that we all expect a "twist". And it is equally obvious that we're supposed to expect it to be related to Rey's parentage.
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Subject: Re:The new Last Jedi Trailer just premiered
I definitely think there is some misdirection in the editing of the trailer. It even could be that everything that appears to be going on actually is, but because we've come to be skeptical of it, the editors didn't bother misleading us.
At this point, we have to just enjoy the visuals and not take the speculation too seriously (even though it's fun to do so)
My theories: -Kylo has been working against Snoke the whole time. Had to kill Han and maybe even Leia to "prove" his allegiance. In Harry Potter terms, he is Snape (even looks like him) -Luke has discovered some long buried truth about the Jedi that he does not like (this may be the big reveal) -Rey literally has to bring balance to the force by neither choosing the light nor dark side, but by using both in harmony. -Snoke is an ancient force entity that drains force users to live forever. He wants to drain Luke, which is why he went into hiding (not because of some guilt or lost hope).
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Retrogamer0001 wrote: To anyone gaking on TFA and the trailer for TLJ, go back and watch the absolute messes that are episodes 1-3.
Or the gak show that is R1 - a dumb movie that had a sublime trailer.
Galef wrote: Snoke is an ancient force entity that drains force users to live forever.
That's pretty good, actually. Segues in nicely to Palpatine's ambitions for immortality plus the new canon factoid of him believing his power flowed from the darkness beyond the Outer Rim (i.e., out where Snoke was hiding).
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Galef wrote: Rey literally has to bring balance to the force by neither choosing the light nor dark side, but by using both in harmony.
Things do seem headed this way.
And although I'm sure we'll hear calls of 'ruined childhoods' from certain fans, I think it makes sense. The Jedi and Sith always seemed to be at the extreme, cartoonish ends of the light/dark spectrum. In the real world, it's possible to have emotion and passion alongside selflessness and a level of control. Seems like that should also have been possible a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
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gorgon wrote: In the real world, it's possible to have emotion and passion alongside selflessness and a level of control.
Well sure, Luke Skywalker did exactly that. But look, this dichotomy between passion and control ... this is prequel garbage. The whole Jedi/Sith thing is EU garbage, no better than needing Decepticons for the Autobots to fight (a.k.a., Pepsi versus Coke). In the OT, Vader was the Dark Lord of the Sith and what that meant was entirely mysterious. Jedi, however, were an on-screen thing. There was no Jedi v. Sith dimension to Star Wars* until Lucas inflicted the Phantom Menace on an unsuspecting (but perhaps not undeserving) public. The real tension at work in the OT was the dogmatic and myopic view of older characters like Obi-Wan and Yoda versus the naive, idealistic outlook of Luke. Luke refused to kill his own father and instead redeemed him.
It's really a shame that we are talking about this "balance of the Force" nonsense. It is just as terrible - and comes from exactly the same place as - midichlorians. Of course, I am also pretty nervous that Rey - like Anakin - will turn out to be a vergence in the Force.
* I am willfully disregarding the EU.
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(Yes, let's ignore the EU for the purposes of this discussion. )
Now that you mention it, it's easy to forget how little we knew of even the Jedi after the original trilogy. TESB established things about their philosophy and ways. But it was in the prequels where our knowledge was filled out, and where the Jedi became more cartoonishly earnest, emotionless, and chaste. I *think* the prequels tried to suggest that the Jedi had lost their way somewhat, but it was undermined by portraying Anakin as a impetulant, whiny brat rather than a regular guy chafing against oppressive, silly rules for legit reasons.
The Sith were almost a completely blank slate. Sure, Vader and Palpatine were bad guys, and the Dark Side was presented as something negative, but I don't think it meant that all the Sith were necessarily mustache-twirling villains.
Perhaps this film is about resetting our understanding, and using some narrative jiu-jitsu to show that the silly stuff we saw about the Jedi and Sith in the prequels represented two organizations that had become extremist and forgetful of important truths. Luke would be the perfect person to navigate this. In fact, it seems almost obvious once you think about it.
If Rey is an immaculate birth, reincarnation, or some other contrived new "chosen one", I am not going to be happy. That would put this new trilogy lower than the prequels in my mind.
Rey needs to be Luke's daughter, preferably also Obi-Wan's granddaughter too (see his relationship with Satine from the clone wars, old Ben totally could have had a daughter that grows up to be Luke's wife) Come to think of it, this could be the AMAZABALLZ reveal for the movie, because it requires a bit of elaboration for movie goers that are not familiar with the (canon) Clone Wars. It would also explain why Rey is so darn good. She has a distilled force heritage.
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