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Boy this news is blowing up across just about every news platform:
From Aggressive Overtures to Sexual Assault: Harvey Weinstein’s Accusers Tell Their Stories

Now others are speaking up...

My favorite is Rose McGowan... her twitter feed is lit af in response to Ben Affleck's denouncement.

Gwyneth Paltrow had an encounter that even Brad Pitt confronted Weinstein.

There's even attempts to blame the victims as well.

...and it seems its not just Weinstein, as its de jour in the industry that affected male actors as well... here's Terry Crew's story/perspective.

Also there's Corey Feldman's pedo story...

Not to mention the whole Roman Polanski scandal...

Hollywood really has a dark side...eh?




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 whembly wrote:
Hollywood really has a dark side...eh?


If only he'd been a Republican, he could have been President.

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Jimmy Kinmel’s response to a certain family member really was perfect.

There is no way this thread won’t become political, since the whole issue has been normalized and made acceptable by politics. Im guessing that the political implications (he was a heavy donor to the left, who mostly stayed silent since the news broke) is part of the reason why whembly was interested enough in this event to start a thread.

With that said it’s an absolute shame that so many people were unable to come out right away and condemn these actions. This was such a softball opportunity to differentiate yourself from people who make excuses for this kind of behavior and to make yourself stand in stark contrast to someone who brags about grabbing people by the pussy. And instead there is stunning silence.

Heartbreaking really, I don’t care how much money he pushed their way. Their silence after the fact is a stain on all of them.

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 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
Hollywood really has a dark side...eh?


If only he'd been a Republican, he could have been President.

You mean a Democrat?

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 d-usa wrote:
Jimmy Kinmel’s response to a certain family member really was perfect.

There is no way this thread won’t become political, since the whole issue has been normalized and made acceptable by politics. Im guessing that the political implications (he was a heavy donor to the left, who mostly stayed silent since the news broke) is part of the reason why whembly was interested enough in this event to start a thread.


Weird there wasn't a thread for Roger Ailes or Bill O'Reilly or Eric Bolling though, huh?

I guess there are some very fine people on both sides.

 d-usa wrote:
Heartbreaking really, I don’t care how much money he pushed their way. Their silence after the fact is a stain on all of them.


Yes, it's terrible. I will never understand why people go to bat for people who do stuff like this. The last wave of Roman Polanski news, and there were still people defending a man who drugged and raped a child. There are still people who claim that Bill Cosby is innocent and that all those women made it up for money, despite the fact if 9 out of 10 of them were making it up (an utterly impossible number), you'd still have like 6 rapes.

As an update, Harvey Weinstein's wife has announced she is filing for divorce.

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Is...is this surprising to anyone? Hollywood is renowned for being a gakky place full of gakky people, all wrapped up in its own donkey-cave. This reputation exists for a reason. Not sure why people are surprised or shocked by this.

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Meh, it’s less that entertainment elites and famous people are not known for this. We all know they can grab them by the pussy, get away with it, and become president.

The real story, and relevance to become a thread, is that he donates to Democrats like crazy. And Democrats have not really spoken out against him or send his donations to an anti-sexual assault non-profit.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Meh, it’s less that entertainment elites and famous people are not known for this. We all know they can grab them by the pussy, get away with it, and become president.

The real story, and relevance to become a thread, is that he donates to Democrats like crazy. And Democrats have not really spoken out against him or send his donations to an anti-sexual assault non-profit.


FWIW HRC came out against him today, but has not said if she will be refunding or donating out his contributions yet. I imagine that will happen in a wave now.

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*looks at calendar*

The story broke...Saturday?
   
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Al Franken and a few others have sent his donations to charity, for what its worth.

Cuomo will donate the $50,000 that the producer gave this election cycle, but not the other $61,000 he received in previous years.


Wow.

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 Ouze wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Meh, it’s less that entertainment elites and famous people are not known for this. We all know they can grab them by the pussy, get away with it, and become president.

The real story, and relevance to become a thread, is that he donates to Democrats like crazy. And Democrats have not really spoken out against him or send his donations to an anti-sexual assault non-profit.


FWIW HRC came out against him today, but has not said if she will be refunding or donating out his contributions yet. I imagine that will happen in a wave now.

...I can't believe I'm going to go there... but, are you assuming that HRC *knew* of Weinstein's actions? Isn't that a bit of a stretch?

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No, I have no reason to think that. I'm not sure what I wrote to imply that.

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No, I have no reason to think that. I'm not sure what I wrote to imply that.

Well... I kinda think the demands for returning the political donations is a wee bit silly. As, that money is prolly spent already.

Right?

I mean, if there were recent fundraising on HRC's behalf, I can see it. But now?

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Pretty much every politician he donated to should have enough on-hand to give money that equals those donations to a charity that deals with sexual assault.

Getting rid of money tainted by the action of the donor is “damage control from associating with the donor” 101.

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Yeah, i think it's less about shared culpability, so much as it's the standard thing to do - like how every company that is caught doing something bad automatically says they are "taking it very seriously", or when you feel bad about something but don't feel like doing anything, you send "thoughts and prayers" - it's a meaningless but expected gesture.


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There's a pattern in the Bannon bag of tricks to use sex offense accusations as a political weapon, and the best (but not only) use of this is to ward off attacks against his own side. After the Access Hollywood tape broke, it was Bannon that suggested to Trump to have all of Bill Clinton's accusers gather for a press conference before the second debate. Attacking Bill, and by proxy Hillary, to disrupt attacks on Trump for his own sexual predations.

Needless to say, this is an incredibly fethed bit of cynicism, even by Bannon's standards. And it works, as we can see from the press coverage of this, and by whembly coming here carrying the narrative of this as an attack on Hollywood as a whole.

And that's a real shame. Because it distracts from the actual conversation that needs to happen about all these powerful figures. Weinstein, Ailes, O'Reilly, Cosby, it is great that all these people were finally outed and their victims able to tell their stories and be believed. But none of them were finally outed because we're getting any better at dealing with predators and rejecting them.

Weinstein finally got revealed because his reputation as the guy you went to for critical acclaim and Oscar wins dried up after a long lean patch. Without that cred, his ability to influence people to get these stories shut down faltered, and he was finally revealed. Ailes got outed not when Carlson made her accusation, but when the new generation of Murdoch's decided that Ailes wasn't the guy to lead the next era in FOX News, and they were happy to cut him loose. O'Reilly got done in because Ailes was no longer there to cover for him. Cosby went decades after he'd been a big earner and cultural force before women were finally to speak up and be listened, and it's still a battle to get a conviction against him.

This is a gak state of affairs, and it is something that needs to be dealt with through real and genuine conversation. We need to talk about how money and power builds a culture of silence around people like Weinstein, and allows them to do this to women for years. Instead it's being railroaded in to a spoiling attack on the Democrats, to cover a president with a long history of sexual predations. In effect this attack being used as like this is just a continuation of the protection of those in power, because Trump is powerful, those around him look to diminish the experiences of his victims, in this case by making the predations of another person in to a political quagmire.

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Thread should really be "powerful people and the dark side of being a rich employer"

Terry Crews has chimed in on this though, in a most unexpected way.

   
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The Terry Crews thing is incredible.

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Could be fake so I hopped over and checked. Seems true, and it is on his twitter

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No, I mean... I believe him. I totally believe him. It's just incredible. I mean, I can see someone sexually assaulting an 18 year old female actress, but Terry Crews... man.


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It turns out the same district attorney that rejected the advice of his own prosecution team to charge Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr for real estate fraud after Trump Sr's lawyer made some campaign donations, also happened to be the same guy who rejected the advice of his prosecution team in deciding to decline to prosecute Weinstein for one of his abuses. This guy recently won his primary election, and is now running unopposed for the Manhattan district. There's some talk about a write in campaign, becuse if that doesn't happen this guy will be DA for another 4 years.

Also, this guy's name is Cyrus Vance, so I'm pretty sure he's a villain from 1990s sci-fi movie who somehow escaped and is now hiding on Earth.

Anyhow, it's a small insight in to how the influence campaign works with this kind of thing. Because the money given both by Trump's lawyer and then by Weinstein's was bugger all in the scheme of things. But that isn't what its about. The point is that Vance had longstanding records of donations from the lawyers for Trump and the Weinsteins. So if Vance was to ignore than and prosecute, he'd be telling all his donors that there's no point giving money because Vance can't be relied on to help you out. That's how the money works. That's one reason people can do anything like this with little fear of reprisal.

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No, I mean... I believe him. I totally believe him. It's just incredible. I mean, I can see someone sexually assaulting an 18 year old female actress, but Terry Crews... man.



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 d-usa wrote:
Pretty much every politician he donated to should have enough on-hand to give money that equals those donations to a charity that deals with sexual assault.

Getting rid of money tainted by the action of the donor is “damage control from associating with the donor” 101.

 Ouze wrote:
Yeah, i think it's less about shared culpability, so much as it's the standard thing to do - like how every company that is caught doing something bad automatically says they are "taking it very seriously", or when you feel bad about something but don't feel like doing anything, you send "thoughts and prayers" - it's a meaningless but expected gesture.



Ah... good points.


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You forgot to mention Bryan Singer in your round-up Whembly.

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You forgot to mention Bryan Singer in your round-up Whembly.

...and I'm sure there are fethloads of other executives who'd need to be exposed.

I guess the whole "Casting Couch™" genre in porn is hitting pretty close to reality...eh?

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I’m pretty sure that I have heard rumors about Lindsey Lohan being so messed up because her parents whored her around to important people in the business to “help” her career.

It honestly sounds plausible enough to be true, and I would be shocked if she would be the only one.
   
 
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