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Pre-orders are up (UK popped up at 10am, assume the same for your region)

List of Codex additions and changes from video review (Thanks Niiru)


Phoenix Lords : They have a rule that means they don't break detachment battleforged status. From the sound of it, that applies to all the special characters.

Point Changes
Thirty units have points changes, and every one of them is a reduction.

19 Weapons have points changes, 17 of them reductions.
- Shadow Weaver increased by 4 points.
- Vibro Cannon increased by 10 points.

Wraith Knight is the same cost, but the Titanic Ghost Glaive is reduced by 35 points.

Various of the special characters down between 10 and 20 points.

(Points costs are done as + or - compared to index)
- Dire Avengers -2 (Avenger Catapult -2)
- Banshees -3
- Scorpions -4 (Claw -8)
- Spiders -4
- Windriders -2 (Scatter lasers -5)

- Crimson Hunters -23 (Exarch -48 points)
- Falcon -49 points
- War Walkers -11
- Vypers -14
- Vauls Support Battery -47 points (needed)

- Eldrad -30
- Farseer Skyrunner -29 points (interesting) (Also Singing Spears down to 4 points, from 12. So -8)
- Spiritseer -22

- Star Cannon now 15 points (er, seems good?)
- Twin Scatter Laser -13
- Twin Shuriken Cannon -7
- Twin Star Cannon -32

- Ghost Axes -4, Force Shields -2


Stratagems
- Webway Strike is Infantry and Bikers only.
- The Move-Shoot-Move Stratagem works for any unit, and it can charge afterwards. So Move-Shoot-Move-Charge.
- Seer Council - If you have a Farseer and a Warlock within 6" of each other, you can add 1 to any Psychic tests. 1CP.
- Serpent Shield - You can immediatley discharge your serpent shield again, so twice in one turn if you did it normally first. 1CP. Seems you can do it every turn on the same wave serpent?
- Feigned Retreat - 2CP. Any infantry or Fly unit in combat. Can fall back, then shoot and charge.
- Tears of Aisha - 2CP. Any wraith construct unit. Immediately regains D3 wounds
- Phantasm - 2CP. After deployment, but before the first turn starts. You can immediately re-deploy 3 units. Odd one, but can mean you can fake out your opponent with false flanking moves.

Warlord Traits
He lists the generic warlord traits, but nothing we hadn't seen before. Other than Sniper, which is interesting.

Alaitoc - Nearby Alaitoc units pass morale tests
Bieltan - Unit within 3", can reroll all failed hit rolls when shooting in that phase.
Iyanden - Warlord gets +1 deny the witch, even if they're not a psyker.
Samhain - +3" pile in moves in any direction. +1 attack if they pile in to nearest model.
Ulthwe - At the start of every turn (yours and opponents) roll a D6. On a 6 you gain 1 command point. (Probably the best craftworld-specific warlord trait).


Relics/Unique Wargear:
- Phoenix Gem - If this model is slain, roll a D6 for each unit (friend and foe) within 6". For any result of 2+, that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds. If any wounds are inflicted, this model is not killed.

There was a wargear option that gives an infantry model a move stat of 12" and the fly keyword.

- Biel-Tan wargear option that lets the bearer reroll any failed psychic test.

- Shift-Shroud - Alaitoc. Enemy units get -1 to hit in the shooting phase (if this stacks with everything else, you could easily get a warlord with like -3 to hit?) Also lets you infiltrate this model, but proper infiltrate so you can pop-out of hiding during any turn you choose.

- There's an Autarch only relic, which says all enemy attacks against him are -1 to hit.


Datasheet changes:
- D-Scythes, you roll for each model, not one roll for the whole squad.

- Warp Spiders - If they fall back out of combat using their generator, they can now shoot. And they now have deepstrike.
If you roll 1-1 you lose a model.

- War Walkers - Scout changed to a reserves. Can set up on an enemy's flank, and appear in any turn.

- Wraithlord - T8. +1 attacks too.

- Wraithfighter - It got a points drop, so it got nerfed, right? Well, the D-Cannons it has went from S10 to S12. For some reason.

- Wraithknight - Same, but cheaper Glaive. Heavy wraith cannon went from S10 to S16...

Warhammer Community
Changes and additions to all
  • All Wraithguard and Wraithblades and Wraithlords toughness 6 and 8 respectively.

  • Spiritseer only 45pts Warlocks now 35pts (deduced from the article).

  • Hemlock Wraithfighter now -2 to leadership.

  • Dire Avengers price drop, stated that both Dire Avengers and Avenger Catapults are reduced this means Dire Avengers are now at most 15pts per model (Minimum price drop for both Avenger and Weapon is 1pt so potentially, and likely, less than 15ppm)

  • Both Scatter lasers and Windriders reduced in points (same deal as Dire Avengers so at least 2ppm cheaper)

  • Battle focus is now counting the unit as not moved even if moved or advanced, excludes heavy weapons

  • Rangers are now 12ppm

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    Alaitoc Attributes
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    Saim-hann Attributes
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    Biel-Tan Attributes
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    Ulthwe Attributes
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    Between a considerable cut in points and the vastly expanded Runes of Fate discipline, Eldrad Ulthran makes for the perfect leader for an Ulthwé army


    Iyanden Attributes
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    New start collecting box
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    I'm definitely going to be getting that box, maybe two. So much better than the current one. I already have a unit of Wraithguard and a Wraithlord.

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    The only thing I have from that box is a Wraithlord. I'll be getting two, I think.

    Selling off the War Walkers ofc.

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    What's wrong with Faeit?
    He's just a rumors collector like I used to be when I was a mod on Heresy, he is never the source of any rumor but I guess some people don't understand that and cry foul.

    Rumor tracker is pretty much pointless for Faeit, it's the same thing as adding you Korlandril to the tracker for posting this rumor (well, it's pretty much confirmed).

    Rumor tracker is only good (imo) for people who are actually the source of rumors. Like Atia, hastings or whoever else posts stuff.


    As for the Eldar box why oh why didn't they have Iyanden on the box as that's pretty much a Iyanden host?

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     MadCowCrazy wrote:
    What's wrong with Faeit?
    He's just a rumors collector like I used to be when I was a mod on Heresy, he is never the source of any rumor but I guess some people don't understand that and cry foul.

    Rumor tracker is pretty much pointless for Faeit, it's the same thing as adding you Korlandril to the tracker for posting this rumor (well, it's pretty much confirmed).

    Rumor tracker is only good (imo) for people who are actually the source of rumors. Like Atia, hastings or whoever else posts stuff.


    As for the Eldar box why oh why didn't they have Iyanden on the box as that's pretty much a Iyanden host?


    Please everybody don't answer. Start a new thread if we need be. Trust me, you really don't want to know.

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    Neat. I'll refer this to my Eldar playing friends.

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    I like that start collecting box. All are pretty useable units for an 8th Ed. Eldar army.

       
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    guess no new minis for eldar. Talk about an army stucked in the 90's

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    Much like the Tyranids box, it seems too good to be true. I hope it is real since it looks pretty neat.

    I wish they would redo the Space Marine Start Collecting. Give us a Primaris Start Collecting instead (Captain, 10 Intercessors, and a Redemptor).

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     Cream Tea wrote:
    The only thing I have from that box is a Wraithlord. I'll be getting two, I think.

    Selling off the War Walkers ofc.


    I'll be getting a box or two as well; all I have towards my Iyanden force so far is a Wraithguard unit and Spiritseer, so this box is about perfect for me.

    I'd be happy to take any unwanted War Walkers off your hands, for the record.

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    Already run this army now, so no SC for me. But a little leery about what's to come if these are the SC kit...

    I'm looking to move to Biel-Tan Corsairs.

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     streetsamurai wrote:
    guess no new minis for eldar. Talk about an army stucked in the 90's


    This made me think of the song "Running in the 90s".

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    Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Why? Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use".When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked.


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    Much better SC than the current one. Especially for the uninitiated. If you go in to a GW now and see the current box, and then say a Guard or Necron one, you’re going to go for the one with loads of toy soldiers in it. Not the one with the tank and a couple of bikes.


     
       
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    Davor wrote:
     MadCowCrazy wrote:
    What's wrong with Faeit?
    He's just a rumors collector like I used to be when I was a mod on Heresy, he is never the source of any rumor but I guess some people don't understand that and cry foul.

    Rumor tracker is pretty much pointless for Faeit, it's the same thing as adding you Korlandril to the tracker for posting this rumor (well, it's pretty much confirmed).

    Rumor tracker is only good (imo) for people who are actually the source of rumors. Like Atia, hastings or whoever else posts stuff.


    As for the Eldar box why oh why didn't they have Iyanden on the box as that's pretty much a Iyanden host?


    Please everybody don't answer. Start a new thread if we need be. Trust me, you really don't want to know.

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    I have no problem with him I have been reading his blog for years and even wrote two (crap) articles for him once. It's just last time I made a News and Rumours thread the first comments were immediately attacking him. So my comment was to try and dissuade any of that this time.

    I argued exactly the same thing that he collected rumours and wasn't a source. I honestly can't think of a reason to dislike him he's a really nice guy and better than any other news blogs I have seen. (Well I dislike Valrak and his content on there but that's a separate issue). I think maybe people are just jealous that he is so popular, when I did the articles I could see the views each post was getting and the numbers were staggering and that was a few years ago, no idea what views he is getting now but he deserves them.

    I also agree if anyone wants to discuss it further make another thread and I am happy to talk on there, just needed to clarify my position.


    Back on topic I own two of everything in the box, 3x wraithguard too and I'm going to get a few boxes because more war walkers and the rest I can sell or just add to my collection.

    I like the war walker models because the previous model looked so bad in my opinion. I'd prefer the closed canopy of the wasp walkers though just because of the fiddlyness of the pilot.


    I'll also update the OP when we get news of any Craftworld traits.

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    Yeah, a very interesting Start Collecting with the ability to build some variety in how you play it.

    Although they aren't the prettiest models, the war walkers having capacity to be long range antitank or shorter range anti infantry. Having the scout move also allows you to push out and screen a 9" bubble from deep strikers/infiltrators/outflankers etc.

    Will be very interesting to see if Wraithguard are still Elites. I didn't expect them to become Troops, but that would mean this isn't battleforged out of the box.

    If they are now troops then could imagine 3 of these boxes and 3 wave serpents would make an acceptable batallion.

    If they are still elite then 3 SC boxes, 3 serpents and 3 troops makes a brigade. << Edit to add this is nonsense... at the moment War Walkers are heavy support, as are Wraithlords. So 3 boxes is 2 spearhead detachments.

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    Do GW just hate Eldar?

    Most of their non vehicle range is finecast, the aspect warriors are cats from 1994 and the phoenix lords are from 1992!!! Most of these models are older than me and I'm 24.

    No way am I paying £24 for 5 models basically as old as me.

    Jes did an amazing job, way ahead of his time, but it's time for an update GW. If you can give DG seven weeks you can give Eldar a few models.
       
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    ... the aspect warriors are cats from 1994...
    No they're not. These are the third generation of Aspect Warriors (Warp Spiders aside).

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     H.B.M.C. wrote:
    Jacob29 wrote:
    ... the aspect warriors are cats from 1994...
    No they're not. These are the third generation of Aspect Warriors (Warp Spiders aside).

    My mistake.

    I was talking to my mate about a few models can't remember where I got 1994 from. They're 11 years old and finecast :(

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    This would of been the perfect time to update most of the old range to plastic.

    I don't understand GW sometimes.
       
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    No new aspect warrior, only more wraith unit and occasionally some characters.

    Just GW stay true to their narrative about Eldar being a dying race. They're dying for sure.

    I hope Harlequin also get a SC when their codex drop.

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    Jacob29 wrote:
    Do GW just hate Eldar?

    Most of their non vehicle range is finecast, the aspect warriors are cats from 1994 and the phoenix lords are from 1992!!! Most of these models are older than me and I'm 24.

    No way am I paying £24 for 5 models basically as old as me.

    Jes did an amazing job, way ahead of his time, but it's time for an update GW. If you can give DG seven weeks you can give Eldar a few models.


    Not a new army - Primaris and Deathgaurd were new (and Marines) - Guard, Mechancius, Eldar, Tryanids are neither.

    Plenty of armies waiting for a an update - Sisters for one need much much more than Eldar.

    Its not a bad box - I really don't like the current War Walkers but the rest are nice models.

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     streetsamurai wrote:
    guess no new minis for eldar. Talk about an army stucked in the 90's


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    Why do people feel so entitled to new sculpts? Sure it’d be nice to have some plastic aspect warriors, but the current sculpts are still pretty good, and honestly not that old compared to some other ranges.

    It doesn’t mean gw hate Eldar. They’ve clearly just released a bunch of new stuff for Chaos and Space Marines.

    They don’t have the capacity to release a new model range every week. It was completely unrealistic to expect new models for Eldar at this point.

     
       
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    I think focusing mostly on new armies is gakky practise. There are so many crappy finecast models in dire need of an ugrade.
    They are spitting new armies out meanwhile the old ones are left in the sewer. Eldar, dark eldar, sisters and plenty of others
    really need some attention. Tau has some pretty old units too. You pay premium prices for old but ugly models.
    Crisis suits are 60 € and they show age really badly.


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     General Kroll wrote:

    It doesn’t mean gw hate Eldar. They’ve clearly just released a bunch of new stuff for Chaos and Space Marines.


    Yes, cause poor Space Marines really needed more units.

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    Surely nobody was expecting any significant number of new models. It's perfectly reasonable to think that they should spend more time converting existing models into plastic than producing new armies entirely (obviously there's some tension here between what's good for the game and what's good for business), but this doesn't seem surprising or somehow anti-Eldar. It was the same for mainline Chaos and Guard and will probably be the same for the next few codices too.
       
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    As someone looking to get into eldar I'll at least pick up one and I agree the aspect sculpts are still good they just need to be in plastic but at the same time I'm a weirdo who like Jes's old designs so much my farseer will be his original
       
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    The sculpts for the current aspects are great for the most part. The only ones i would like to see updated are Warp Spiders and an upgrade pack to make Shining Spears.

    Other than that a new Avatar is desperately needed. I have the Forgeworld one and love it but i still believe it needs some plastic love. The Avatar has always been one of the signature Eldar Units and its a travesty that the sculpt hasn't been updated since 2nd Edition. Give it the attention it deserves and put him back on level footing with the Bloodthirster like he should be.

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    To me, it's not about the sculpts...short of the god awful scorpions and fire dragons (which were thankfully replaced shortly after release...because they were so damn bad) the entire range is fine sculpt-wise. Even the 90's based ones (of which only the Warp Spiders remain). It's the finecast garbage...and the associated comical cost for buying five or six miniatures in that piss-poor material for $40 which must be a turn off. I run all 2nd ed. metals which are still superb and work fine, but I can see a massive putting off of new players who look at the line and see $35 for five Dire Avengers in plastic or even more for finecast garbage.

    There is no cheap way to play Eldar without being into the hobby and knowing how to buy stuff on eBay and salvage it. That being said, most of the oldest sculpts are Jes Goodwin which are damn near timeless, so GW just puts them on the back burner.

    I'll be honest, I just dont' see a big Eldar relaunch in the cards any time soon. However, being GW I also don't see random plastic piece-meal kits coming out to support them. Luckily my army is more or less complete, but it's a shame for newer players that the army is one you more or less can't buy/use without awful expense and awful materials.

    The new Start Collecting box is a nice way to bolster an army and I'll be getting one or two. A godsend for Iyanden players I'd think. It does, however, mean opposing players will be facing a lot more wraithguard in the future?
       
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     Modock wrote:
    I think focusing mostly on new armies is gakky practise. There are so many crappy finecast models in dire need of an ugrade.
    They are spitting new armies out meanwhile the old ones are left in the sewer. Eldar, dark eldar, sisters and plenty of others
    really need some attention. Tau has some pretty old units too. You pay premium prices for old but ugly models.
    Crisis suits are 60 € and they show age really badly.


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    It doesn’t mean gw hate Eldar. They’ve clearly just released a bunch of new stuff for Chaos and Space Marines.


    Yes, cause poor Space Marines really needed more units.


    It’s not about need. It’s about what sells enough units to keep the lights on at GW HQ. if them selling a tonne of Primaris Marines now means that they will have the capital to invest in a new plastic range for Eldar, Sisters or Squats then I’m all for it.

     
       
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    Plastic Aspects would be a huge investment, with no return guaranteed to be big enough.
    The units are so unique in design and aesthetic, that it would be hard to dual-kit them (maybe Banshees/Hawks..?), so we're talking about investing in 6 new plastic infantry kits. And how many of each of those kits will each Aeldari player actually buy? Thousands need to be sold before GW even make the cost of the molds back.

    I could see maybe one or two appearing at first, to test the water. But definitely not the whole Aspect range in one go.
       
     
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