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Let's be honest that the original legions have a lot of overlap in names if not so much in disposition, a result of the ad hoc nature of their creation.

Say you were asked to pitch a retcon of the legion names and mannerisms, though not their loyalty, what would you do?

Personally for me I'd just try and make the names not overlap so much. Angel symbolism is nice but did we need three instances of it? Why do we need two iron legions or two wolf legions?
   
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I could see renaming a few of them, though I think the Angel motif actually stems from space marines often being referred to as Angels of death, and being saviors, coupled with the wings emblazoned across the majority of their breastplates.

Dark Angels and Blood Angels I suppose would be alright, but maybe changing the Dark Angels to something more like the Shadow Knights. I have more issue with the Primarch's renaming their legions. If I recall the names the legions started with were generally more varied. (IE, Dark Angels being 'The First').

So really, names just need to be adjusted, mannerisms are decent and create something like rivalries between them already.

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I suppose they could revert some of them back to their original names and still be canon in the future. That'd actually be neat! Iron Hands become Storm Walkers
   
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 Carnikang wrote:
I have more issue with the Primarch's renaming their legions. If I recall the names the legions started with were generally more varied. (IE, Dark Angels being 'The First').

So really, names just need to be adjusted, mannerisms are decent and create something like rivalries between them already.


I generally liked the Legions original names. I think DA should've stayed The 1st & Luna Wolves sounds better.
   
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Just one change:

Sanguinius wrote Codex Astartes. In addition to Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer. Both were released posthumously.

Both of them would be both more inspiring *and* more practical.

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'Thousand Sons' seems more of a relic of the time of 1000 man chapters, before the Legion lore got rolling later on. I've got nothing to replace it with, but it's one I think could go. 'Emperor's Children' is kind of lame-o as well.
   
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I'd swap Dark Angels for something like Crusaders or Knights of Caliban, and Ultramarines to something I can't think of but significantly less terrible.

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I would make them all much more alike.

When the vanguard veterans kit first came out, there was someone who had taken them right out of the box and painted them as space wolves. Obviously they were very codex style, very ultramarines style laurels and scrolls. However, if someone with very ultramarine style decorations had canis helix fangs and was very ferocious told you he was a space wolf, you would have to believe him, right

Roman legionnaires would put an animal pelt on their officers and standard bearers. So space wolves would be more civilized but codex chapters would have more colorful regalia, like the imperial fist from the first Tau codex.

So it would be as if all the primarchs had been raised in the same planet, and all the legions were essentially Ultramarines, but the planet they were all from were Chogoris instead of Terra or Ultramar.

Think of it this way. If a marine in a tactical squad of the Ultramarines seventh company were an aesthete and a vampire, and everyone in his squad were obsessed with jump packs and wanted to transfer to a jump squad, that would seem much more like their actual personality. It would me more compelling, more frightening. It would be better than bloodstrike, blood champions, sanguinary priests etc.

For the same reason, the names should all remain the same. In the real world, different units have historic names and insignia, but usually they look and operate more or less the same. The names just come from having a large enough military that different groups of people choose insignia for themselves.
   
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 totalfailure wrote:
'Thousand Sons' seems more of a relic of the time of 1000 man chapters, before the Legion lore got rolling later on. I've got nothing to replace it with, but it's one I think could go. 'Emperor's Children' is kind of lame-o as well.
I would be hard pressed for name changes; there's a lot of history players have with those names that I would want to take to heart. But this point specifically reminds me of what I would retcon in a heartbeat; 1000 man chapters. To behave how they do in the fluff Space Marines really need something in the tens of thousands range for each chapter. This is still a drop in the bucket when planetary populations are numbered in the billions but it actually works in a reasoned fashion.

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I'd find whichever management bod decided it would be a gpod idea (presumably for copyright purposes) and kick them swiftly, yet thoroughly in the nards.

Then I'd just turn them all into awkward pig-latin as seems to be the trend.

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other than the ultramarines, (yes i play them but the name does kind of beg for insults) that id probably rename praetorians or some other roman derivative; i don't think the legion names are the problem its the theming of the units, wolfy wolf this and blood that.

saying that i think black library did a good job with the original legion names in most cases. So id probably use the warp to go back to when each prim arch was found and shred the name change forms the submit to the administration. jobs a good un

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 totalfailure wrote:
'Thousand Sons' seems more of a relic of the time of 1000 man chapters, before the Legion lore got rolling later on. I've got nothing to replace it with, but it's one I think could go. 'Emperor's Children' is kind of lame-o as well.
I would be hard pressed for name changes; there's a lot of history players have with those names that I would want to take to heart. But this point specifically reminds me of what I would retcon in a heartbeat; 1000 man chapters. To behave how they do in the fluff Space Marines really need something in the tens of thousands range for each chapter. This is still a drop in the bucket when planetary populations are numbered in the billions but it actually works in a reasoned fashion.


Seconded. The names are fine fornme mostly (I think “space wolves” is kinda lame, but at least they have a quasi official seci d name to make up fornit. Like wise world eaters are way better as the war hounds)

But yeah, Astartes numbers should be in the millions at least for them to make any kind of real difference on a galactic scale where planetary invasion and defence consists of billions of troops.

   
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goundry wrote:
other than the ultramarines, (yes i play them but the name does kind of beg for insults) that id probably rename praetorians or some other roman derivative; i don't think the legion names are the problem its the theming of the units, wolfy wolf this and blood that.

saying that i think black library did a good job with the original legion names in most cases. So id probably use the warp to go back to when each prim arch was found and shred the name change forms the submit to the administration. jobs a good un


I think the Ultramarines is also just a (poorly conceived) name made by fusing the name of their origin planet with Marine. ULTRAMARines. It seems in the naming department someone did this on purpose. " I want to make an ultra chapter of marines and I want everything about them to be Ultra, so I'll call them UltraMarines and call their planet Ultramar because they're planet makes marines that are ultra. nobody will ever figure out my genius. Huehuehue."

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Biggest change - each Legion was composed of c. 100,000,000 or to make their conquests a bit more realistic. Ultramarines definitely need to be toned down to be less silly.

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I'd personally get rid of names and go back to legion titles, more similarly to the Romans. Hey if it was good enough for the Tenth Legion its good enough for 40K

Of course I like the older fluff were marines are just mind scrubbed ex prisoners, who are generally at the level of Kurt Russell's Soldier in the personality department.

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Tristanleo wrote:
goundry wrote:
other than the ultramarines, (yes i play them but the name does kind of beg for insults) that id probably rename praetorians or some other roman derivative; i don't think the legion names are the problem its the theming of the units, wolfy wolf this and blood that.

saying that i think black library did a good job with the original legion names in most cases. So id probably use the warp to go back to when each prim arch was found and shred the name change forms the submit to the administration. jobs a good un


I think the Ultramarines is also just a (poorly conceived) name made by fusing the name of their origin planet with Marine. ULTRAMARines. It seems in the naming department someone did this on purpose. " I want to make an ultra chapter of marines and I want everything about them to be Ultra, so I'll call them UltraMarines and call their planet Ultramar because they're planet makes marines that are ultra. nobody will ever figure out my genius. Huehuehue."


Also they are blue.

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Though I did forget to mention I would rename the World Eaters to Word Eaters and the Word Bearers to World Bearers. Just to troll.

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Carlovonsexron wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 totalfailure wrote:
'Thousand Sons' seems more of a relic of the time of 1000 man chapters, before the Legion lore got rolling later on. I've got nothing to replace it with, but it's one I think could go. 'Emperor's Children' is kind of lame-o as well.
I would be hard pressed for name changes; there's a lot of history players have with those names that I would want to take to heart. But this point specifically reminds me of what I would retcon in a heartbeat; 1000 man chapters. To behave how they do in the fluff Space Marines really need something in the tens of thousands range for each chapter. This is still a drop in the bucket when planetary populations are numbered in the billions but it actually works in a reasoned fashion.


Seconded. The names are fine fornme mostly (I think “space wolves” is kinda lame, but at least they have a quasi official seci d name to make up fornit. Like wise world eaters are way better as the war hounds)

But yeah, Astartes numbers should be in the millions at least for them to make any kind of real difference on a galactic scale where planetary invasion and defence consists of billions of troops.
To be technical, "Space Wolves" is just a butchered Gothic name for the Vlka Fenryka
   
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I wouldn't touch a thing. They're perfect. Kind of plain, gives people some homework to learn more about them.

Let the models / rules do the talking.

   
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Just Space wolves to something like Howling Insane Nordic Men.

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The question asked by OP links in to the contradictions at the heart of 40K, things that you could argue are some sort of "grimdark doublespeak" (do as the Emperor says, not as he does), but in reality they weren't to have been thought out very well by GW.

If the Emperor wants a totally secular Imperium and religion of all kinds is banned, why would he name his first legion the Dark Angels? Isn't that a bit like a women's group calling themselves the Dark Chauvinists? Why would the Emperor make Sanguinius resemble an angel? Why would he claim that gods and daemons don't exist when billions of people travel through the warp every day? What about the whispered temptations to psykers - were they all mentally ill? Is the Emperor himself banned by the anti-Librarius treaty? Or does he stand there, glowing with eternal power and projecting his mind into the warp as a beacon, while condemning other psykers to death? How come the Emperor is so revered when he is a blatant slow?

As for the other Legion names, the Emperor must really like wolves and iron. He was probably trolling with some of them. "I name thee Dusk Raiders, so everyone knows when you're going to strike."

They all seem to have names consisting of two words apart from the Salamanders. At least this was done before the current ridiculous GW naming conventions. Otherwise the Luna Wolves might have been called the Lunastar Deathwolves or something equally slowed.

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 amazingturtles wrote:
Tristanleo wrote:
goundry wrote:
other than the ultramarines, (yes i play them but the name does kind of beg for insults) that id probably rename praetorians or some other roman derivative; i don't think the legion names are the problem its the theming of the units, wolfy wolf this and blood that.

saying that i think black library did a good job with the original legion names in most cases. So id probably use the warp to go back to when each prim arch was found and shred the name change forms the submit to the administration. jobs a good un


I think the Ultramarines is also just a (poorly conceived) name made by fusing the name of their origin planet with Marine. ULTRAMARines. It seems in the naming department someone did this on purpose. " I want to make an ultra chapter of marines and I want everything about them to be Ultra, so I'll call them UltraMarines and call their planet Ultramar because they're planet makes marines that are ultra. nobody will ever figure out my genius. Huehuehue."


Also they are blue.


I'd make them red.

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