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So much for claims of him serving with "honor and distinction".

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politics/bowe-bergdahl-guilty-plea/index.html
   
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Well he can enjoy jail. There's not way he going to geyt anything less that year's in jail.

I guess he relised he had no chance or evidence was weak on his end and wanted to escape a worse secentenece?

Chances of being comuted by current administration is tiny.
In for least 3-7 years.

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Damn, if the plea deal got him life in prison, what would he have faced if it went to trial? Drawing and quartering?

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 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Damn, if the plea deal got him life in prison, what would he have faced if it went to trial? Drawing and quartering?


Firing squad?

If life in jails a plee deal. Not much above it.

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 jhe90 wrote:
 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Damn, if the plea deal got him life in prison, what would he have faced if it went to trial? Drawing and quartering?


Firing squad?

If life in jails a plee deal. Not much above it.


well desertion in a time of war can carry the death penalty. I don't think it's done anymore, at least not in the last 50 years or so.

there was no plea deal or bargain though from what I read in the article. will have to wait til the 23rd to see what he's awarded

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Damn, if the plea deal got him life in prison, what would he have faced if it went to trial? Drawing and quartering?


Firing squad?

If life in jails a plee deal. Not much above it.


well desertion in a time of war can carry the death penalty. I don't think it's done anymore, at least not in the last 50 years or so.

there was no plea deal or bargain though from what I read in the article. will have to wait til the 23rd to see what he's awarded


There making him wait.

Though given how high profile I'd not expect a rushed sentence. Countering I'm all factors from case to public and media outcry against military.

And yeah. I'd say that's 99.9% unlikely to be a death penalty but they never did rescind it either.
   
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From what I've read, a judge ruled that at least a couple soldiers were seriously wounded because they were out on missions looking for him.
   
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Relapse wrote:
From what I've read, a judge ruled that at least a couple soldiers were seriously wounded because they were out on missions looking for him.


Should definitely have abandoned an American to torture by the Taliban despite the fact the details of his case were unclear at the time.

TBH kind of surprised he was convicted at all with all that undue command influence people used to be so concerned with.

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Relapse wrote:
From what I've read, a judge ruled that at least a couple soldiers were seriously wounded because they were out on missions looking for him.


OK.. I might have to revise the death penalty percentage.

He broke a bond of trust. A oath and got people wounded for life.

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Every mission is a search and rescue mission if you throw in an "oh yeah, don't forget we are still looking for that dumbass, so if you see anything on this mission that has nothing to do with this at all please make a note of it" at the end of the briefing.



   
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 Ouze wrote:
Relapse wrote:
From what I've read, a judge ruled that at least a couple soldiers were seriously wounded because they were out on missions looking for him.


Should definitely have abandoned an American to torture by the Taliban despite the fact the details of his case were unclear at the time.

TBH kind of surprised he was convicted at all with all that undue command influence people used to be so concerned with.


Since the details are now clear that he deserted and people looking for him got wounded, I'm pretty sure that will play into the sentencing.

   
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 jhe90 wrote:
Relapse wrote:
From what I've read, a judge ruled that at least a couple soldiers were seriously wounded because they were out on missions looking for him.


OK.. I might have to revise the death penalty percentage.

He broke a bond of trust. A oath and got people wounded for life.


him and thousands of others, Wassef Hassoun deserted twice and only got 2 years.

There will be no death penalty for Bergdahi.

 
   
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I don't think he'll get a death penalty. My guess is 5-7 years.
   
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I thought the death penalty only applied in war time?

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 feeder wrote:
I thought the death penalty only applied in war time?


America has been at war since before it was born. I know people like to play word games with what is a "war" but all that stuff in the middle east, it's a war.

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 feeder wrote:
I thought the death penalty only applied in war time?


America has been at war since before it was born. I know people like to play word games with what is a "war" but all that stuff in the middle east, it's a war.


War on terror... Technically there at war with NK still.

If you wanna play word games.

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 d-usa wrote:
Every mission is a search and rescue mission if you throw in an "oh yeah, don't forget we are still looking for that dumbass, so if you see anything on this mission that has nothing to do with this at all please make a note of it" at the end of the briefing.





I really hope you are not trying to play off the lives of the SOF guys that deliberately went looking for him? I mean I've read some remarkably horrible things from you but I hope I am misunderstanding you here. There were also many sent to the search, thinnign already undermanned units which has been shown to have directly contributed to other deaths in other attacks. No mercy for him. He should get life in federal pound you in the ass prison surrounded by other Soldiers who would place him at the bottom of the barrel.

Staff Sergeant Clayton Bowen, 29, of San Antonio, Texas, and Private 1st Class Morris Walker, 23, of Chapel Hill, N.C., were killed by a roadside bomb in Paktika province on Aug. 18, 2009, while trying to find Bergdahl. Like Bergdahl, they were part of the 4th BCT from Fort Richardson, Alaska.



Full article here

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 jhe90 wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 feeder wrote:
I thought the death penalty only applied in war time?


America has been at war since before it was born. I know people like to play word games with what is a "war" but all that stuff in the middle east, it's a war.


War on terror... Technically there at war with NK still.

If you wanna play word games.


The ones who play word games are the ones who would tell you we we're never at war with NK because congress never declared war on them. They'll tell you we haven't been at war since WWII. It really was the war to end all wars it seems.

But it seems we would agree that we did have a war with NK.

that's the word game I was mentioning.

 
   
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 redleger wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Every mission is a search and rescue mission if you throw in an "oh yeah, don't forget we are still looking for that dumbass, so if you see anything on this mission that has nothing to do with this at all please make a note of it" at the end of the briefing.





I really hope you are not trying to play off the lives of the SOF guys that deliberately went looking for him? I mean I've read some remarkably horrible things from you but I hope I am misunderstanding you here.


Read my remarks however you want. I'm not rehashing the old thread.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Every mission is a search and rescue mission if you throw in an "oh yeah, don't forget we are still looking for that dumbass, so if you see anything on this mission that has nothing to do with this at all please make a note of it" at the end of the briefing.






These two were wounded on missions specifically organized to search for Bergdahl.

https://www.stripes.com/news/command-sergeant-major-no-troops-died-searching-for-bergdahl-1.402016
   
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Relapse wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Every mission is a search and rescue mission if you throw in an "oh yeah, don't forget we are still looking for that dumbass, so if you see anything on this mission that has nothing to do with this at all please make a note of it" at the end of the briefing.






These two were wounded on missions specifically organized to search for Bergdahl.

https://www.stripes.com/news/command-sergeant-major-no-troops-died-searching-for-bergdahl-1.402016


Im pretty sure D-usa can not fathom what he did that is so bad and why many of us who served find it so repulsive and worth of capital punishment in accordance with the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. I am not sure what the old thread remarks hes referring to but I would bet he would be ok with just sending him home to momma and saying no harm no foul.

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Yeah, that's totally what I said.



   
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Okay... Jen Lawrence gif... that's an exalt no matter what.

However, this is strictly a UCMJ proceeding... which is quite different than regular judicial process.

He had his trial.

Two things I thought was interesting:
1) like Ouze, I'm surprised how this ended due to Obama's and Trump's statements.
2) why the hell didn't he want a jury???

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 whembly wrote:
Okay... Jen Lawrence gif... that's an exalt no matter what.

However, this is strictly a UCMJ proceeding... which is quite different than regular judicial process.

He had his trial.

Two things I thought was interesting:
1) like Ouze, I'm surprised how this ended due to Obama's and Trump's statements.
2) why the hell didn't he want a jury???


It is assumed it's because he couldn't get a fair trial. A form of no-contest where the only option is to plead guilty.

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#2: Jury of his peers, and for the result see this and previous threads. He is better off with a level headed judge.
   
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 whembly wrote:
Okay... Jen Lawrence gif... that's an exalt no matter what.

However, this is strictly a UCMJ proceeding... which is quite different than regular judicial process.

He had his trial.

Two things I thought was interesting:
1) like Ouze, I'm surprised how this ended due to Obama's and Trump's statements.
2) why the hell didn't he want a jury???



You never want a jury trial in a court martial, All those chiefs sitting there are pissed because they're there and because you're on trial and it's made it to a court martial they already think you're guilty.

It's slightly better if you can get a jury of junior officers.

 
   
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 d-usa wrote:
#2: Jury of his peers, and for the result see this and previous threads. He is better off with a level headed judge.

You just have to convince just one guy (out of 12? Not sure how juries are selected in UCMJ)... instead of simply just the judge.

Judges are human too... I'd go with a jury of my peers.

:shrugs:

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At a court martial, I wouldn’t put my faith in a sole holdout. I would consider it guaranteed that 12 jurors or 1 judge, everyone is going to find me guilty. But a rational judge will most likely be better for sentencing than 12 angry peers.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
At a court martial, I wouldn’t put my faith in a sole holdout. I would consider it guaranteed that 12 jurors or 1 judge, everyone is going to find me guilty. But a rational judge will most likely be better for sentencing than 12 angry peers.


from his POV that would stand to reason. Im pretty sure he'll get half the max so north of 50 years

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