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2017/10/19 10:13:18
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/217-the-rumour-thread/?do=findComment&comment=141091
This was originally shared over on tga but I thought it was interesting enough to post here too.
Essential GW is experiencing very high demand for its products since 8th edition launched.
They have some problems with ramping up demand the way they want and so many of the larger kits which take longer to manufacture will be unavailable until next year.
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2017/10/19 10:16:15
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Well, if it's true.....
Not having enough juice into the factory sounds mental - but also quite possible.
Me, I'd just nip up the road and jury rig an Eddie and Richie style illegal siphon from the Trams!
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2017/10/19 10:19:44
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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What constitutes a 'larger kit'?
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2017/10/19 10:21:16
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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The Google Translate of the original says "large models such as Vane Blade / Storm Wave", so I think the Baneblade and similar.
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2017/10/19 10:24:57
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Experienced Maneater
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Yeah, that would explain more and more kits going to "Not in stock".
I was wondering why the Glottkin and Maggot Lords in AoS are out of stock.
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2017/10/19 10:30:37
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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This also mitigates a lot of the hand-wringing over the lack of new units with the new codexes. If they're struggling to maintain the existing core products you can't reasonably expect tons of new stuff too.
This is a 'good' problem for GW to have.
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2017/10/19 10:34:34
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, GW seemed to be doing well with the sales, but I never thought it was going THIS well
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"Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth! These are the truths of this world! Surrender to these truths, you pigs in human clothing!" - Satsuki Kiryuin, Kill la Kill |
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2017/10/19 10:36:29
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Experienced Maneater
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xttz wrote:This also mitigates a lot of the hand-wringing over the lack of new units with the new codexes. If they're struggling to maintain the existing core products you can't reasonably expect tons of new stuff too.
This is a 'good' problem for GW to have.
This really depends.
They have enough demand. This is good.
Production can only start up again in 2018 is a major blow. So many sales missed.
If this gets further delayed, it could cause some serious trouble.
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2017/10/19 10:38:23
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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xttz wrote:This also mitigates a lot of the hand-wringing over the lack of new units with the new codexes. If they're struggling to maintain the existing core products you can't reasonably expect tons of new stuff too.
This is a 'good' problem for GW to have.
This is what I thought. It also explains the drip feed of Deathguard releases.
It is very bad news for anyone hoping for price cuts though.
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2017/10/19 10:43:18
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Hanskrampf wrote: xttz wrote:This also mitigates a lot of the hand-wringing over the lack of new units with the new codexes. If they're struggling to maintain the existing core products you can't reasonably expect tons of new stuff too.
This is a 'good' problem for GW to have.
This really depends.
They have enough demand. This is good.
Production can only start up again in 2018 is a major blow. So many sales missed.
If this gets further delayed, it could cause some serious trouble.
Especially with Christmas coming up, and the spendathon only just getting underway.
If this report is at all true. Could be, but we've only one source of uncertain reliability.
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2017/10/19 10:47:53
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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We've already seen some spoilers for the Christmas bundle boxes so it's possible they're already done and sat in a warehouse somewhere. Admittedly it's not the best use of warehouse space, but if they anticipated a production backlog...
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2017/10/19 10:49:14
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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It's also the time when newer gamers are most likely to ask for and receive army centre piece kits.
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2017/10/19 10:51:53
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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The kits are still out there - my local GW has a couple of Baneblades on the shelf.
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2017/10/19 10:53:06
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Dakka Veteran
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Imagine that...
GW changed from being a "modeling company" to a "games company" and they can't keep inventory on the shelves. Crazy how that works. Imagine what it would be like if we can actually eliminate the power creep & make all armies viable?
Lets get to the important stuff. What does a guardsmen have to do to get some updated plastic miniatures? Its literally been like this off/on for months. Some days 70% of the entire IG army is temporarily out of stock. I'm tired of hearing there is no interest or "moulds are expensive". GW is making a fortune. It would be nice to have our 20+ year old miniatures updated.
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2017/10/19 11:12:26
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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2017/10/19 11:25:08
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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I heard they got a new line, or is that old news?
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warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be. |
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2017/10/19 11:26:37
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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I'm guessing that Kirby era decisions are still having consequences. I wonder if the general slow switch over from metal to plastic along with the closure of the US casting facility is partly causing this bottleneck to occur.
Still, it's better that they can't keep up with demand instead of not enough demand
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2017/10/19 11:43:15
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Lethal Lhamean
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Not exactly a surprise, it was mentioned at the general meeting last month that they'd basically maxed out their current production capacity and had plans to expand it. Until it expands this will continue as they physically can't make more.
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2017/10/19 12:12:51
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Guess it's time to go for that FW kit you've been promising yourself instead, then...
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2017/10/19 12:12:56
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Imateria wrote:Not exactly a surprise, it was mentioned at the general meeting last month that they'd basically maxed out their current production capacity and had plans to expand it. Until it expands this will continue as they physically can't make more.
Hmm, can't they contract Forgeworld to do some work? Correct me if I am wrong, but Forgeworld has been largely occupied with 30K stuff for several years now. Wouldn't it make sense to shift workflow towards GW's core customer base ( 40k)? Its not like there is a shortage of 30K products afterall. They nearly rival that of 40K & I've yet to meet or see anyone who plays 30K.
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2017/10/19 12:14:25
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Experienced Maneater
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Commissar Benny wrote: Imateria wrote:Not exactly a surprise, it was mentioned at the general meeting last month that they'd basically maxed out their current production capacity and had plans to expand it. Until it expands this will continue as they physically can't make more.
Hmm, can't they contract Forgeworld to do some work? Correct me if I am wrong, but Forgeworld has been largely occupied with 30K stuff for several years now. Wouldn't it make sense to shift workflow towards GW's core customer base ( 40k)? Its not like there is a shortage of 30K products afterall. They nearly rival that of 40K & I've yet to meet or see anyone who plays 30K.
Forgeworld can't produce plastic kits.
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2017/10/19 12:16:22
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Fully-charged Electropriest
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This could explain a lot of non-direct only kits going unavailable for independent stores if they are struggling to make enough stock for their own shops.
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2017/10/19 12:27:59
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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Not so fast. I've heard a few rumours (completely unsubstantiated so apply ) that Forgeworld is under similar pressure due to 8th and the cheapness of the indexes.
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2017/10/19 12:28:43
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I suspect it's probably down to an increased number of kits using the 'large' sprues that probably need a different casting machine to the smaller ones more kits and more sales of older kits (the starter especially is going to be selling much better than the 7th one) due to the 8th edition bounce means they need more capacity and they just doesn't have enough of the machines that handle the large sprue to cope so while they can afford to buy more machine(s) they're probably not available off the shelf immediately (either they're made to order or there will be a waiting list) so they're waiting to get more machines installed and up and running and it's not going to happen till after Xmas at which point they not only have more production capacity overall, they've got more production capacity in the larger sprues
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2017/10/19 12:33:00
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Experienced Maneater
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I suspect it's probably down to an increased number of kits using the 'large' sprues that probably need a different casting machine to the smaller ones
more kits and more sales of older kits (the starter especially is going to be selling much better than the 7th one) due to the 8th edition bounce means they need more capacity and they just doesn't have enough of the machines that handle the large sprue to cope
so while they can afford to buy more machine(s) they're probably not available off the shelf immediately (either they're made to order or there will be a waiting list) so they're waiting to get more machines installed and up and running and it's not going to happen till after Xmas
at which point they not only have more production capacity overall, they've got more production capacity in the larger sprues
Haven't you read the link? According to it: they have 3 machines they can't use because they reached their power limit and need to wait until a better power grid is finished.
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2017/10/19 12:36:23
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Dakka Veteran
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I understand Forgeworld doesn't produce plastic kits. I'm simply saying, GW can barely even keep up producing its old kits. Why can't they have Forgeworld start working on 40k products again & do new releases for armies getting codices? Ad mech got nothing, IG got nothing, Eldar are getting some made to order models from the 1990's. They are missing out on a huge marketing opportunity.
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2017/10/19 12:36:45
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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I find it slightly bonkers that in the modern day UK, a factory can genuinely run out of power.
I know it's entirely possible (trunks and lekky and cables and that), it's just not something one hears of very often
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2017/10/19 12:42:33
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I find it slightly bonkers that in the modern day UK, a factory can genuinely run out of power.
I know it's entirely possible (trunks and lekky and cables and that), it's just not something one hears of very often
It might not be a case of running out of power, but getting it to the part of the factory that needs it. Working in IT I've lost count of the number of times something new has been plugged in and it's blown everything else out.
(But re-reading the article it does seem they're using more power than they should or the local grid can cope with).
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2017/10/19 12:45:18
Subject: Games Workshop production delays.
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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That I think is a vagary of translation.
Could be the power grid within the main building. I mean, Nottingham is a fair sized city, not some teeny hamlet out in the sticks.
If it's power supply can't cope with GW's factory, there's a wider issue there I'm sure we'd have heard about
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2017/10/19 12:56:22
Subject: Re:Games Workshop production delays.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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zedmeister wrote:
Not so fast. I've heard a few rumours (completely unsubstantiated so apply ) that Forgeworld is under similar pressure due to 8th and the cheapness of the indexes.
You are correct to pour salt on that. It is not the case.
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