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In a Trayzn pokeball

Title pretty much explains it all. I've recently become aware of both games, and ordered some models from the void range because they look really cool, but I can't tell in what way the two are either different or linked, because there is clearly some overlap.

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You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
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Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
 
   
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VOID was a platoon level game in the late 90s made by I-Kore, basically a 40K clone. The company that made the game went under in the early 2000s and apparently some of the owners had some "creative" ways to keep hold the IP and re-opened up as Urban Mammoth, keeping the setting and factions but releasing new figures as a purely skirmish game. Never followed the details too closely but there were a lot of rumors of company being underhanded, passing around the "ownership" of the company to another member every few years and reincorporating to avoid paying bills or somesuch.

Never played either game, but the figures were great. The Void Viridian Marines are some of my favorite not-catachans of all time, and they had some really cool AT-STish and AT-ATish walkers that I wish I still owned. The figures are still around, now made by Scotia Grendel

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Void 1.1 is like 40k, Urban War is like Shadow War: Armageddon.

In more detail, they're in the same setting, although I think Urban War was set before Void, and was quite a self-contained setting so it didn't really matter.

The factions are technically the same in both games (although Urban War has a few more that don't appear in Void), but the miniatures range was almost totally redesigned.

Urban War uses basically the same rules as Void, but with some added bits to make you choose an order for each model at the start of the turn, and to allow for different "ranks" of the same model without having to simply give them better stats.

(trivia; Void basically evolved from Kryomek, released in the early 90s and still available from Scotia Grendel. You can see how the various units in Kryomek evolved into the different factions in Void)
   
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Do they still see much play?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The hobby is actually hating GW.
 iGuy91 wrote:
You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
 Elbows wrote:
You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:
Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
 
   
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I have a good size void 1,1 force, and have not seen a game in many years. which i find sad, bacuase it is a lot of fun
   
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Void 1.1 was a pretty damn good war game and it was one of the early adopters of free digital rules distribution. The rules set itself was pretty tight (basically Warzone-esque with d10's instead of d20's), the factions were fresh and interesting at the time (far less using real world cliches and more crafting interesting sci-fi factions, this is one place war Urban War kind of faltered with me), and the sculpts were great (Kev White did the majority, if not all of 'em).

When some kind of financial scandal caused 'em to crash and burn it was a sad day (wish I could remember the ancient forum where most of us Void players hung out back in the day, but it is long, long dead).

If you can dig up the rules, I recommend giving it a go.

As for Urban War, never really looked in to it too deeply. Didn't scratch the itch I wanted at the time and I missed Void's cleaner, sci-fi aesthetic. They went over to using Adrian Smith as a primary artist (this had already begun late in Void's life, and I wasn't a big fan), and while the art was great, it also felt like a lot of great aeshetic choices from Void got dumped as they became an other grim'n'gritty sci-fi game. Syntha and Koralon were hit especially hard in that regard. Syntha became more industrial with a hint of grubby Biopunk. Koralon turned in to something that just felt like Nids 2.0 with a touch of Cronenberg-style body horror. By the time Urban War rolled around the shift in aesthetic and style was complete and it lost a lot of that classic 1970's sci-fi feel, becoming just another future dystopian setting.
   
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As folks have said, same universe, different rules and for the most part it's different minis. Though the Urban War minis are an updated aesthetic, most minis could be used in either game.

I have been slowly building a Void Junker army over many years. I intended it as an Ork or similar proxy army. I've got more than enough figs and vehicles sitting unpainted, just got to get around to it.

Ironically it started with an Urban War Gladiator warband a friend gave me, but it's the void figs that were around shortly after I started wargaming that really appeal to me.

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 Ronin_eX wrote:
If you can dig up the rules, I recommend giving it a go.

Yeah, I found the Scotia Grendel website and the model range is really cool. I'll order the rules, but I don't know if i'll ever find someone to play it with if I want to.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The hobby is actually hating GW.
 iGuy91 wrote:
You love the T-Rex. Its both a hero and a Villain in the first two movies. It is the "king" of dinosaurs. Its the best. You love your T-rex.
Then comes along the frakking Spinosaurus who kills the T-rex, and the movie says "LOVE THIS NOW! HE IS BETTER" But...in your heart, you love the T-rex, who shouldn't have lost to no stupid Spinosaurus. So you hate the movie. And refuse to love the Spinosaurus because it is a hamfisted attempt at taking what you loved, making it TREX +++ and trying to sell you it.
 Elbows wrote:
You know what's better than a psychic phase? A psychic phase which asks customers to buy more miniatures...
the_scotsman wrote:
Dae think the company behind such names as deathwatch death guard deathskullz death marks death korps deathleaper death jester might be bad at naming?
 
   
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 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:
If you can dig up the rules, I recommend giving it a go.

Yeah, I found the Scotia Grendel website and the model range is really cool. I'll order the rules, but I don't know if i'll ever find someone to play it with if I want to.


That's probably true. I've read through the rules and they seem quite straitforward, but the chances of finding another gamer to play with are slim indeed. Maybe slightly better if you provide both factions.

Your best chance to play these figs might be as a proxy in another game. 40k is one option, but if you have someone willing to try Warpath, that might be a good choice as Mantic players seem to generally be a bit more accepting of alternate models. And of course there's other generic systems you can use if you have players who are intereste in that sort of thing.

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I had always liked the VASA Archangels and the dudes with the techno-military forks. The name escapes me.

If I recall, 1.1 was a pretty straight forward 40K (of the period) type of clone. Pretty easy to play, but somehow lacking that "WOW" factor to really differentiate the game.

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For those who don't know, PDF's of all the 1.1 rulebooks,counters, QRF's and the short lived "Battles WIth Miniatures Magazine" are free from Scotia grendel.
http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=59_69
you have to go through their online shopping cart to get them but it's well worth it.

They also sell have print versions of Void 1.0, Urban War and Metropolis (Urban War larger battles). I don't know which edition the Urban war book is though.

Urban War PDF's are at wargames Vault
http://www.wargamevault.com/browse/pub/3419/Urban-Mammoth.

I think I sold off my Void books except for the Junker army book which is pretty good inspiration for the army.

As a bit of inspriation for the OP here's a batch of 40 Junker Legionaires I quick-painted and brush-dipped. I still have to find their sheilds...

The Void 1.1 figs are simpler in detail but they paint up quick and look nice.

https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2012/12/11/fully-painted-void-junkers-and-neo/

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