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Look pretty interesting. Advanced SLAM looks pretty much mandatory, given the combination of dial and titles. You'll either be reloading or target locking with a torpedo boat, and don't need guidance chips on a cannon boat.

Linked Batteries looks nice as well. 2 Point re-roll card for any small ship with 1 or more cannons.. Admittedly, at this point it is basically the Star wing and B-wing, since the TIE Defender probably wants to take either the x7 title or a cannon that will actually work with the /d title.

Saturation Salvo could be interesting- I'm playing around with the potential to use it on a Vaksai with Munitions failsafe, but I see this being a really hit-or-miss upgrade depending on if anyone finds a useful gimmick for it.

Lt. Karsabi- Meh. When both titles let you attackt with a weapons disabled token, an ability that lets me trade one for a stress token is not inspiring.

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Friend just pointed this out:



Advanced SLAM errata rumor seems official.

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"hey folks we wrecked your K-Wings buy these instead"

I think I might be out

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Well this could be interesting

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Also mentions that both waves are combined , so all five ships should be out before the end of the year. I like saturation salvo and it will be a blast in epic but don't care about anything else.

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Why would you ever SLAM again with a K-Wing?

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Why would you ever SLAM again with a K-Wing?

Running away? About the only reason I can come up with with the Advanced Slam changes

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Why would you ever SLAM again with a K-Wing?


or even play with them ?

Is there hard data showing Miranda / K-Wings are doing too well ? And if so maybe nerf Sabine rather than practically removing a ship from the game


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Yes, K_Wings are doing fine as it is right now. It is not an easy ship to master, and if your opponent just lets you SLAM/bomb in front of them, then they were kinda angling for a mouth full of bombs anyway.

Coupled with no regen outside of Miranda, and they would fall to focus fire like anything else.

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The K-wing will be just fine, relax.

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K-wing Schmay-wing, less Rebel talk. I'm buying 4 gunboats regardless, but I need Peregrine's inimitable breakdown to tell me how to feel about the release. At the moment I have no idea whether this stuff is OP or DOA, and in the world of X wing there's nothing in between, it seems.

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Linked batteries looks good for the Firespray as well.

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 Flinty wrote:
Linked batteries looks good for the Firespray as well.


Cant take the Linked Batteries, they are limited to Small Ships.

So the TIE/d, the Star Wing, the B-Wing and the M3-A Heavy Scyk can use it. I might be missing one.

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D'oh. So it i's. Oh well.

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Its a shame, I got excited when you first suggested it, then I was disappointed.

Probably good on the Star Wing and the B-Wing. Dont think I'd use it on a Defender.
   
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Hmm. On the xg1 side if things, is the flechette cannon actually any good? It just seems like if you're sinking 1/3rd of your points into Vynder you'd actually want to do some damage ocasionally.

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Against small ship low numbers lists like Miranda Nym, pair it with something that can ionize and you can cripple em'. Stress is beautiful when you make it so they can't clear it.

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Hey they're finally adding it! Took them long enough lol

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 Flinty wrote:
Hmm. On the xg1 side if things, is the flechette cannon actually any good? It just seems like if you're sinking 1/3rd of your points into Vynder you'd actually want to do some damage ocasionally.

With expertise around, could be worth doing. Plus it does damage, one point sure, but it's something. Though to make it worthwhile, you'd need VI

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I wonder where the Eagle is and his opinion of this ship....

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 captain bloody fists wrote:
I wonder where the Eagle is and his opinion of this ship....


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Damn that's been the issue.... I've been saying it four times

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He's probably on Vassal, playing the hell out of it.

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 Turnip Jedi wrote:
 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Why would you ever SLAM again with a K-Wing?


or even play with them ?

Is there hard data showing Miranda / K-Wings are doing too well ? And if so maybe nerf Sabine rather than practically removing a ship from the game


Miranda is doing very well. Indeed, one of the typical competitive lists archetypes that include her (OP Cubed) doesn't even have Advanced Slam on her, opting instead for Long Range Scanners or Chips.
(Such a list came 1st in the Hungarian Nationals btw)


Now on to the Gunboat itself...I like it.
I do think this might be another Imperial ship where the generics are more valuable than the Aces, especially given the 8pt difference between Vynder and a Nu Squadron Pilot.
Definitely going to have to get at least 3 eventually, and I'm sure the next few weeks will be filled with me tinkering with lists.

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 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
He's probably on Vassal, playing the hell out of it.


Or banned for two weeks, for a really stupid reason.

Anyway, first impressions of the best ship in X-Wing:

Generics: good starting point. Stat line is reasonably durable for the point cost, and obviously the action bar has two unique (for the faction) options. And that dial is amazing, I was honestly expecting FFG to decide that the k-wing was too good and give the gunboat a weaker dial. But nope, everything the k-wing gets and more. 3-turns are huge, and having green 2-banks instead of 1-banks makes it much less vulnerable to stress control. And having the PS 4 with an EPT is a nice bonus. I don't think we'll see it too much, because the point cost gets kind of awkward when PS 2 vs PS 4 isn't a huge deal in the current meta, but it's nice to have in case that ever changes. Of course, like the k-wing, this is going to be a ship that is defined by the secondary weapons you equip. Which brings us to the titles, one of which you will always take:

XG-1 Assault Configuration: AKA "control ship from hell". Tractor beam, jamming beam, and flechette cannon are your options here, with flechette cannon being the only one that gives you any damage. But dear god is this a potentially nasty combination. Cannon of choice, linked battery for the re-roll, advanced SLAM to reposition and focus. Now you've got a control threat that goes anywhere it wants, with focus + re-rolls on its attack. Obviously damage output is going to be limited, but we all know stresshogs have seen a ton of play with limited damage output. And note that you still get the cannon slots if you want to equip something more expensive, you just don't get the SLAM combo. Granted, HLC b-wings haven't been relevant in quite a while, but if that ever changes you could probably do worse than a gunboat with an HLC and linked battery.

OS-1 Arsenal Loadout: AKA "we aren't going to make a missile boat model, but here it is in all but name". Attacking with a weapons disabled token is powerful, and now you're doing it while throwing 4-dice attacks. The extra upgrade slots aren't relevant, since the cost to take multiple secondary weapons gets way too high, but that special ability is all you need. SLAM into position, use advanced SLAM to get a target lock, make something die. Sure, you won't have guidance chips like other alpha ships, but do you really care when you have an unlimited supply of missiles? If the first shot doesn't work just reload and hit them again. Harpoon missiles seem good here, but really, pick your ordnance and you'll probably be ok with it. This title is going to require a little more planning to use it effectively, since you can't just SLAM around and shoot every turn with focus + re-roll, but the potential payoff is huge.

Lieutenant Karsabi: not as bad as some people think. Yes, the ability seems weak when the titles exist, but this is obviously an ion cannon or HLC platform. Having green 2-banks lets you clear stress and still do a 2-turn with your SLAM maneuver, and now you're throwing 4 dice HLC shots with focus + re-roll every turn. And you haven't even spent your EPT slot. I'm not 100% sold on this because the cost gets a bit high for a PS 5 ship, but I think it has a lot more potential than people are giving it credit for.

Major Vynder: and now we come to the best pilot in the game, flying the best ship in the game. When both titles say "SLAM every turn" she effectively has an extra point of agility in her base stat line, giving you almost TIE defender durability to go with your PS 9 repositioning action (because let's be honest, like Whisper she's got VI permanently stapled to the ship card). IMO either title is good here. A flechette cannon makes her an elusive closer, locking down your dial and then plinking away until you finally die. Missiles trade control for sheer firepower, and at PS 9 you're going to be in a great position to use it. It's just too bad FFG didn't give her PS 12 by default so you could take PTL and have the ultimate ace, but maybe in an aces expansion...

Jamming beam: not sold. Yeah, it's cheap, but it also doesn't do a whole lot. It doesn't deal damage directly, it doesn't set up a kill from other ships like a tractor beam, and it doesn't lock them into a predictable spot like an ion cannon. And you're probably going to have to spend a token to get it to hit, making it a net zero in action economy. And if you're spending multiple ships to pile up the jam tokens I feel like you're putting too much of your list into something that can't deal any damage.

Linked battery: OMG WTF YES. This is just stupidly good for its point cost. Predator gives a similar effect for 3 points and an EPT slot, this gives it to you for 2 points and a cannon slot that you probably aren't using anyway. The XG-1 gunboat is going to take this every time, it's just way too good not to. B-wings are going to have to consider it, if we ever get to a point where b-wings are good again. Yeah, it's fewer re-rolls than FCS, but it also lets you switch targets freely and lets you take AS instead of FCS. I don't know if it's enough to overcome the inherent flaws of b-wings, but it's certainly a stealth buff.

Saturation salvo: just no. TIE swarms do not exist anymore. This probably wouldn't even be good if they did exist. FFG, stop printing cards that counter a metagame from several years ago.





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 Flinty wrote:
Hmm. On the xg1 side if things, is the flechette cannon actually any good? It just seems like if you're sinking 1/3rd of your points into Vynder you'd actually want to do some damage ocasionally.


Potentially very good. I've been playing around with it a bit since the initial announcement (using a k-wing dial, which was rather pessimistic!) and even without linked battery it was pretty good. PS 9 SLAM is really good for setting up shots, and a point of damage with stress isn't much worse than a 3-die primary shot is going to get you against most targets. It's a bit slow to kill against turrets (hi Nym/Miranda/Dengar/etc), but against conventional in-arc ships it's great.

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I still can't get over the fact that you were banned. Head over to my generics-no-doubles tourney list topic, I need your laZ0r sharp focus there.

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You been upsetting them 'scrubs' again Mr P ?

Anyhoo nice breakdown, I got as far as 'yarp seems like power creep'

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