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Made in gb
Infiltrating Naga





England

Looking for some opinions I have a doubles tournament coming up.

My partner is stormcast / order (and particularly good player at that)

His only recommendation was "Bodies" so I've come up with some lists I was hoping people would be able to help me with choosing / finalizing which I take with advice and such! So here they are.

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I believe I've confirmed my list. Feedback pref!
-- Other lists / ideas can be found below. I realized a lot of points mistakes in them which now enable me to take this one!

Final list:

Allegiance: Death

Heroes
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (320)
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (120)
- General
- Infernal Standard
- Trait: Supernatural Horror
- Artefact: Cursed Book

Battleline
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Blade & Shield
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spear & Shield

Total: 1000/1000



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Allegiance: Death

Heroes
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (120)
- General
- Trait: Supernatural Horror
- Artefact: Cursed Book
Cairn Wraith (60)

Battleline
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
- Ancient Blade & Shield
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
- Ancient Spear & Shield

Total: 1000/1000
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-- ALTERNATIVE
Replace Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (120)
- General
- Trait: Supernatural Horror
- Artefact: Cursed Book
for
Necromancer (120)
- General
- Trait: Supernatural Horror
- Artefact: Black Amulet
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Allegiance: Death

Heroes
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)

Battleline
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
- Ancient Blade & Shield
30 x Skeleton Warriors (240)
- Ancient Spear & Shield

Behemoths
Mortis Engine (180)

Total: 1000/1000
=========================
-- ALTERNATIVE
Replace Mortis Engine (180) for
Vampire Lord (140)
- General
- Mount: Flying Horror
- Trait: Red Fury
- Artefact: Cursed Book

And be 40pts below cap.
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Allegiance: Death

Heroes
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)
- General

Battleline
2 x Morghast Archai (240)
- Deathlords Ba
ttleline
2 x Morghast Archai (240)
- Deathlords Battleline

Total: 820/1000
Reserve: 180

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/10/31 17:43:13


   
Made in us
Yellin' Yoof





My suggestion is to bring a Necromancer for Danse Macabe or however it spelled. Being able to pile in and attack twice with your 40 man blobs of skeletons is really good.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/10/31 20:55:04


 
   
Made in gb
Infiltrating Naga





England

I could do that, I had thought about it. The problem is though I would have to lose 10 skeletons to do this, or swap him in for the wight king with the banner. Already providing a +1 attack buff and a 6+ ignore wounds Im leaning more towards him.

Hopefully 40 skeletons with 4 attacks each hitting on a 3+ wounding on a 4+ shouldn't require the additional pile in and attack at this points bracket I'm hoping.

The meta for this tournament doesn't have very good anti-horde capabilities.

   
Made in be
Dakka Veteran






Arkhan does not really seem ideal for this list. way to expensive for what he can do for you.

I would use a necromancer instead and keep the rest of your pts for summoning.

Take a vortex as a possible summon and some more skelletons or zombies, spirit hosts etc. depending on what you need (or models you have) in the battle.
This will also be a great way to help your stormcast allies. You can put up a road block in front of there shooting units, or to prevent enemy charges on expensive units when needed (i think it is why he is asking for bodies), you can buff there bad movement stats with the vortex (pushing them a couple " when it is summoned).
   
Made in gb
Screamin' Stormboy




What's the Stormcast player taking? Kind of important to know what both people are playing in a doubles tournament.

I like Arkhan but if you're not taking any other magic then a Necromancer and a Vampire Lord is far far better for your army list than Arkhan is. You have nothing to summon, you have no other wizards to give Arkhan spells or for Arkhan to buff up - the only thing he's going to be doing is spamming Curse of Years which, although is a good spell is not worth 1/3 of your points.

With 1 wizard and a small game you don't want summoning, IMO. You had the right idea to have no reserves, but I think replacing Arkhan is the way to go. Personally I would take a Necromancer and a Vampire Lord. This gives you enough points left over for some Dire Wolves or a Cairn Wraith, maybe the vampire lord is overkill and you can use the 210 points for something else - Drop a unit of skeletons to 30 and take Morghasts? Who knows.

 
   
Made in gb
Infiltrating Naga





England

All I know (until I meet up with him soon) Is that he is running a relicter with lightning chariot.

The reason though that I am not taking a necromancer is because I don't believe I will come up against much that requires additional rounds of combat from skeletons doing 4 attacks each. I think it would just be over kill.

Curse of years I think has a little more call as it has the potential to just wipe out huge units. I know in the last tournament there was an empire army that fielded a lot of blocks of infantry that would just benefit from curse of years infinite mortal wound potential before I even have to deal with those larger units. Arkhan also has some combat potential, albeit not much.

   
Made in gb
Screamin' Stormboy




You can say he can potentially wipe out a unit a turn but at the same time you could potentially have your spell unbound every turn. If anyone is worried about Curse they can just break line of sight, force you to move away from the skeletons to cast it so that they can deal with Arkhan whilst he's alone and not get tar-pitted by the skeletons.

Arkhan is good, but he's a synergy pick and you're not taking anything to go with him, e.g wizards/summoning. Basically everyone has advised that he's not worth 320/1000 points, and it's obviously completely up to you but I mean, if you want advice then there's nothing more anyone is going to be able to suggest really. If you wanted a big threat to go around eating units there's so many other options which do more reliable damage, Curse of Years is amazing when it works to its full potential on a huge unit but the odds and consistency by which that happens over many games in a tournament is no where near worth the points. If you're facing MSU it's practically useless, 320 point unit taking out 60points a turn, never going to get your points back. If you roll bad it's wasted points, if your spell doesn't go off it's wasted points, if your spell gets unbound it's wasted points, if you don't have LoS it's wasted points.

 
   
Made in us
Yellin' Yoof





The only way to make your list better is to drop Arkhan and pick up a Necromancer and/or some units with rend like morghast or grave guard. If you want to take Arkhan you can, but hes not great in 1k point games from my experience.
   
Made in gb
Infiltrating Naga





England

I see what people are saying. Part of him being there is to make him a bit of a target, remember I have 1000pts of high damage stormcast I need to draw some threat from.

As I'm half way through painting him and he will be done for the tournament I will use him in a few practice games before hand and just get a feel for him.

I may decide to go with you guys advice prior to the tournament and just switch him if I feel that he isn't pulling any weight (I still regard him as a melee monster) or if I feel even with alongside my partner that he is lackluster I will switch him out.

I have 2 alternatives. Really.


Option 1:
Remove Arkhan -320
Remove Wight king -160

Add - Vampire Lord On Zombie Dragon (440)
- General
- Vampiric Sword & Shield & Chalice
- Trait: Red Fury
- Artefact: Cursed Book

Option 2:

Remove Arkhan -320

Add - Cairn Wraith (60)
Tomb Banshee (80)
Cairn Wraith (60)
Necromancer (110)

^
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Ofc the above will not all start on the table, there will be a banshee for summoning to scream bomb low leadership units / MSU etc.



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The cairn wraiths would reside within each unit of skellys and provide the much sought after rend I was advised and the necromancer which so far everyone has suggested which is reasonable. Vanhels is very good.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/11/03 23:45:39


   
 
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