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I play Astra Militarum as well as Marines. I am whenever I go up against Ynnari lists with allot of characters and Yncarne as well as chaff screening units I have a tough time against these armies. Yncarne is virtually impossible to Target and prevent from getting into my lines and once he gets there he wrecks face. SfD let's him really beat up the army. How does everyone deal with these lists ? I run generally heavy tank lists with screening units

 zedsdead wrote:
I play Astra Militarum as well as Marines. I am whenever I go up against Ynnari lists with allot of characters and Yncarne as well as chaff screening units I have a tough time against these armies. Yncarne is virtually impossible to Target and prevent from getting into my lines and once he gets there he wrecks face. SfD let's him really beat up the army. How does everyone deal with these lists ? I run generally heavy tank lists with screening units

Yncarne is trash. It can't start on the table and when a unit dies - it can spawn at their location (BUT CANT CHARGE) This means - the only way he can screen ynncarne is by you killing 1 of his units. You having full ability of what units you kill and when - he is at your mercy in bringing ynncarne out - kill his back line tanks - yncarne is worthless on the back line. If he spawns from killing 1 of your units - just focus it down at the start of your turn.

EDIT: NVM, Xeno is 100% right. Read up on the Yncarnes rules and those of Soulburst and you will see that they are very easy to manipulate.

Oh, and Yncarne is a She, or at best a he/she, but certainly not a he.

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 Xenomancers wrote:

 zedsdead wrote:
I play Astra Militarum as well as Marines. I am whenever I go up against Ynnari lists with allot of characters and Yncarne as well as chaff screening units I have a tough time against these armies. Yncarne is virtually impossible to Target and prevent from getting into my lines and once he gets there he wrecks face. SfD let's him really beat up the army. How does everyone deal with these lists ? I run generally heavy tank lists with screening units

Yncarne is trash. It can't start on the table and when a unit dies - it can spawn at their location (BUT CANT CHARGE) This means - the only way he can screen ynncarne is by you killing 1 of his units. You having full ability of what units you kill and when - he is at your mercy in bringing ynncarne out - kill his back line tanks - yncarne is worthless on the back line. If he spawns from killing 1 of your units - just focus it down at the start of your turn.

good points Xenomancers,

I made a few mistakes and should have never killed any of his units. Unfortunatly he pushed everything in his army forward. Nothing was held back and pretty much everything was grouped to take advantage of Yncarne when she came in. He also had about 10 characters to keep my shooting limited to his dogs, birds and some rangers.

I wonder if i could have tried to avoid killing any of his units outright and moved around to limited his damage on me. I run Heavy tanks and could have screened my weaker units. if they did die Yncarne would have have been closest to my shooty units.

Does Yncarne autoDie if she doesnt come in by end of turn 3 ? I know thats hard to accomplish but is it a valid tactic ?

Best way to bring the Yncarne onto the table is during the opponent's turn. That way it is free of the "cannot charge" crap the following turn, and also gets the full compliment of its psychic powers. It has no guns, so has to make those points up with psychic powers and assaults.

I would think that if the Yncarne kept itself in reserves beyond the third turn, that it would be out of the fight according to that rule... but that is a scenario that is VERY unlikely to happen. They can simply focus down one of your units to force the 350 point paper-weight into the battlefield.

Whittling down Ynnari with or without the Yncarne is pretty key to the match. Managing their Soulburst potential is how you keep things from getting to wildly out of hand against them.

 zedsdead wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 zedsdead wrote:
I play Astra Militarum as well as Marines. I am whenever I go up against Ynnari lists with allot of characters and Yncarne as well as chaff screening units I have a tough time against these armies. Yncarne is virtually impossible to Target and prevent from getting into my lines and once he gets there he wrecks face. SfD let's him really beat up the army. How does everyone deal with these lists ? I run generally heavy tank lists with screening units

Yncarne is trash. It can't start on the table and when a unit dies - it can spawn at their location (BUT CANT CHARGE) This means - the only way he can screen ynncarne is by you killing 1 of his units. You having full ability of what units you kill and when - he is at your mercy in bringing ynncarne out - kill his back line tanks - yncarne is worthless on the back line. If he spawns from killing 1 of your units - just focus it down at the start of your turn.

good points Xenomancers,

I made a few mistakes and should have never killed any of his units. Unfortunatly he pushed everything in his army forward. Nothing was held back and pretty much everything was grouped to take advantage of Yncarne when she came in. He also had about 10 characters to keep my shooting limited to his dogs, birds and some rangers.

I wonder if i could have tried to avoid killing any of his units outright and moved around to limited his damage on me. I run Heavy tanks and could have screened my weaker units. if they did die Yncarne would have have been closest to my shooty units.

Does Yncarne autoDie if she doesnt come in by end of turn 3 ? I know thats hard to accomplish but is it a valid tactic ?

All reserves autodie if they don't come out turn 3. That's too long to wait though. It would help to know his and your army composition. Sounds to me like hes using a character army with chaf to screen for them. Giving him free actions when you kill the chaf. Its tough to beat but if you spread out and just keep spreading out he will eventually run out of gas but your long guns are never out of gas.

I may be misremembering, but I though Yncarne HAD to come in when the first unit died?
I know she can choose to teleport later in the game, but her first appearance I thought was mandatory......

EDIT: nevermind, here's her rules:


Still, just keep killing the "closest" units one by one. The opponent will either have to place her first (thus she'll be the closest target so you can unload) or the opponent will have to hold her back until she is too far away to assault in the next turn. Simple.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 zedsdead wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 zedsdead wrote:
I play Astra Militarum as well as Marines. I am whenever I go up against Ynnari lists with allot of characters and Yncarne as well as chaff screening units I have a tough time against these armies. Yncarne is virtually impossible to Target and prevent from getting into my lines and once he gets there he wrecks face. SfD let's him really beat up the army. How does everyone deal with these lists ? I run generally heavy tank lists with screening units

Yncarne is trash. It can't start on the table and when a unit dies - it can spawn at their location (BUT CANT CHARGE) This means - the only way he can screen ynncarne is by you killing 1 of his units. You having full ability of what units you kill and when - he is at your mercy in bringing ynncarne out - kill his back line tanks - yncarne is worthless on the back line. If he spawns from killing 1 of your units - just focus it down at the start of your turn.

good points Xenomancers,

I made a few mistakes and should have never killed any of his units. Unfortunatly he pushed everything in his army forward. Nothing was held back and pretty much everything was grouped to take advantage of Yncarne when she came in. He also had about 10 characters to keep my shooting limited to his dogs, birds and some rangers.

I wonder if i could have tried to avoid killing any of his units outright and moved around to limited his damage on me. I run Heavy tanks and could have screened my weaker units. if they did die Yncarne would have have been closest to my shooty units.

Does Yncarne autoDie if she doesnt come in by end of turn 3 ? I know thats hard to accomplish but is it a valid tactic ?

All reserves autodie if they don't come out turn 3. That's too long to wait though. It would help to know his and your army composition. Sounds to me like hes using a character army with chaf to screen for them. Giving him free actions when you kill the chaf. Its tough to beat but if you spread out and just keep spreading out he will eventually run out of gas but your long guns are never out of gas.

Yea he runs character spam with chaff... all grouped together so maximum output of soulburst and limiting of firepower. cheap and easy to kill chaff to allow Yncarne to come in. Dont really want to post his full list in fairness to him.. but you seem to get what i am going against. (She is a main component of the list. and the whole army is grouped to make full use of soulburst.

I run lots of variant AM and SM lists. Presently i am running a variant list utilizing 2 shadowswords and a Banehammer (Catachan) (filled with Plasma command squads and plasma special weapons squads( Mordian--- to target characters) 3 morter squads, 3 infantry, 2 Psykers and celestine. This is only one Variant of the list i recently ran. i also have used other AM variant armies.

What i was considering is to try to spread out. block with my big tanks and then if he kills a weak unit of mine.( if he can target it) then Yncarne has to deploy so close to me so i can plasma her down.