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On the board I’ve found playing against them to be an annoying experience, their 2+ rerolls, and mortal wound generation is uncanny from my experience, and as a death player it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. 2+ rerolling saves are a toxic mechanic. I don’t find them OP, I just find them annoying.

Now, anothet big reason I dislike them though is that I find their design to be boring, nothing about their models scream “interesting” and they’re generic paladins with Xbox huge hammers. I swear, they look ripped right from diablo or WoW.

My last and biggest complaint though, is that GW pushes them so hard. Why is it that when I open my death book I keep running into ilistrations of generic heroic paladin marines beating my army or doing a heroic stand against many? I thought my book was supposed to get me excited about my army and not stormcast. What else I dislike is that you see them everywhere, they get new models every week when my poor skelemans have only just gotten new models after how long? Do we really need another stormcast unit wihen half the death factions are unplayable?

They’re bland, annoying to play against, and keep hogging new models and keep glory hogging. I feel like at this point they’re fleshing out Boba the hutt, when half the other factions are starving.


As a person who got into AOS recently, I find the push of sigmarines to be uncanny. In 40k, you see a lot of space marines, but it somehow doesn’t feel as bad as it is with sigmarines.


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It's pretty simple why they are pushed so hard - They are the army of the god of Sigmar, in the game Age of Sigmar. They're 40K's Ultramarines. They are the posterboys for the range and the whole range was made just for the game. They will always be iconic for the game and as as such as plastered in most places.

In regards to playing against them - they are very good. Mainly for reasons above ^ they are Sigmar's posterboys. Personally I don't find playing against them that bad, but I play Seraphon and I think they're in a pretty good spot.

As a death player appreciate it may be rough, they need some love and playing against one of the most stacked armies can be rough.

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For me they are the primary reason why I have yet to really start getting into AOS and I share the feeling of them being pushed just to much while other factions (primary death) are left to wait.

They told me i was crazy, that i could not win with an army list like that. 2000 points later i found out that they were right

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 Jaxler wrote:
I swear, they look ripped right from diablo or WoW.


Are you sure ? 2 years ago people were saying that they're 1:1 SM rip offs and when I asked "Hey what about this DIABLO 3 cinematic (and other wow references maybe can't remember exactly)?" I got "Nah dude, they're nothing like them!"

Otherwise I love stormcast. They're one of the reasons I started AoS. It was and still is normal that they get the glory as they're the primary heroes of the setting. First to battle the chaos hordes in the new age, win against imposible odds blah blah these kind of things.
   
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dislike them only for their marine looks, and that they have forced regular humans into a state of total pointless.
that some of them has broken mecanics or are op dont bother me and i am a 1st edition death supporter to the core. (never going to play 2nd edition untill death is un nerfed)

stormcast has made the age of fantasy into the age of spacemarines.

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despise everything about them, so I neither play them nor collect them. I do however happily slaughter them on the tabletop.
   
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Was ambivalent too them until recently when I sat down and read their battle tome. Now they're actually growing on me a lot, so much so I may well pick up the new Christmas army box and do the Vanguard Chamber.
   
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I'm a big fan, as a Bret player it's nice to see GW finally heavily supporting an army of noble knights.

I also love their Baroque armor which has a heavy Dark Souls flavor to me along with their God-king who's battling demons and undead and looking to end a cycle of a strange world (when you actually see the workings of the DS "world" it's rather bizarre).

Though I think their time is ending, they are the legendary army that rights the great evils of an age and then is made obscure by the passing of time. With how the rumors and leaks are pointing to new releases and a darker direction that I think the Stormcast are going to see this year as their last big hurrah for a long time.


and that they have forced regular humans into a state of total pointless. 


Hmm, I don't believe so. Humans massively outnumber them and are needed for the duties of watching over and settling the vast new lands Order reclaimed. Even storywise there's been many times the aid of regular people was the humble factor that lead to victory.

When the gates of Azyrheim opened it was such armies that immediately went to routing chaos by cannon and lance at the first chance they got and then bravely held their new cities like the Ironweld who annihilated the invaders of Greywater with massed artillery.

They only really didn't get used at the beginning was for to do so would cause the last realm to open up and be lost to chaos' infinite legions. Thus why the Stormcast, a elite force that could travel beyond the gates without opening them, was crucial for allowing Sigmar to expand his reach without exposing himself and weaken chaos' grip on the realms.

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Humans are definately not pointless - play against a solid Free Peoples player / army.

You'll find out cannons, hellblasters and gunpowder are effective as ever at killing most things.

A Song of Ice and Fire - House Greyjoy.
AoS - Maggotkin of Nurgle, Ossiarch Bonereapers & Seraphon.
Bloodbowl - Lizardmen.
Horus Heresy - World Eaters.
Marvel Crisis Protocol - Avengers, Brotherhood of Mutants & Cabal. 
Middle Earth Strategy Battle game - Rivendell & The Easterlings. 
The Ninth Age - Beast Herds & Highborn Elves. 
Warhammer 40k  - Tyranids. 
 
   
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Normal humans are only "pointless" because of a lack of releases, and that can be said for just about every pre-End Times range. In the fluff, humans have been extremely important in rebuilding the world. The Stormcast are a tool of war, and are thus mistrusted by a large portion of the population. Once you start looking closer at the lore, Stormcasts actually get pretty interesting.

I do fully agree that they are getting a disproportionate number of releases, but I'm hoping fan feedback will eventually lead to that being toned down in favor of fleshing out other factions.

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GW is really running an aggressive marketing for SCE. I have an army of them but haven't put them on a table in a while. It'll likely stay that way.
   
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Hot an AOS player and haven't been following the fluff, but here's my take.

When they were first released I was under the impression that they were literally the spirits of mortal heroes possessing suits of armour - essentially golems. I thought that was why we never saw one without a helmet initially. I quite liked that idea. I was actually quite disappointed when they turned out to be people, but bigger.
   
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 CoreCommander wrote:
 Jaxler wrote:
I swear, they look ripped right from diablo or WoW.


Are you sure ? 2 years ago people were saying that they're 1:1 SM rip offs and when I asked "Hey what about this DIABLO 3 cinematic (and other wow references maybe can't remember exactly)?" I got "Nah dude, they're nothing like them!"

Otherwise I love stormcast. They're one of the reasons I started AoS. It was and still is normal that they get the glory as they're the primary heroes of the setting. First to battle the chaos hordes in the new age, win against imposible odds blah blah these kind of things.


That’s fine and dandy and all, but do I need to see it in my book over and over? The best and only illustration of a stormcast I like is the one where he bashes a pink horror and gets melted in the face by brimstone horrors. It was edgy dark and actually felt insanely refreshing to see a stormcast lose for once.

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Haha, they lose a lot. Especially later in the art(Flesh-Eater Court onward) and definitely in the storyline where they get killed left and right with the battle for the All-Gates being a Stormcast massacre.

[Edit]Story spoiler.
Spoiler:

Even the hero on the Starter Box isn't around anymore.

They've definitely taken their scars to win the realms back from chaos.

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Hang on, what happened to Vandus?
   
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....crap. I didn't think that counted as spoilers at this point. -_-

Sorry.
Spoiler:

I haven't read the story yet but he does die, permanently, fighting chaos in the final parts of the Realm Gate war.
   
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Are you sure? I finished reading book 4 (the big one, not the novels) a while ago and while there is a Stormcast leader that gets eaten by Dhorgar, it wasn't Vandus.
   
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Are stormcast externals the ones without helmets?

Joking aside, i've got no problem with them. Game wise they can be tough but they're not unbeatable. And i honestly think the marine comparison is overdone; it had some weight at the start but they've got enough backstory to seperate them now.

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The marine comparison is mostly cosmetic. The armies' themes are really no that similar.

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 EnTyme wrote:
The marine comparison is mostly cosmetic. The armies' themes are really no that similar.


My complaint isn’t that they’re too similar to marines aesthetically. I love how marines look. My problem is that sigmarines look generic to me when compared to other fantasy things. They’re less interesting paladins that fail to be over the top in the right ways, so I just meh.
   
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Indeed, they're far closer to Chaos knights now.

Though they do make interesting foils to Space marines that are just killing machines with some noble traits and little humanity while Stormcasts are noble knights that have to be killing machines while constantly losing their humanity's terrified of that.

Are stormcast externals the ones without helmets? 


Haha, nice one.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Are you sure? I finished reading book 4 (the big one, not the novels) a while ago and while there is a Stormcast leader that gets eaten by Dhorgar, it wasn't Vandus.


Spoiler:

Well it came up in a lore discussion that his soul was beyond reforging. So I'm pretty certain despite not knowing exactly when. (Shrug)
   
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I personally love the aesthetics of the figures, at least for the Stormcast skirmish force I have painted so far, because I converted them all to have bare faces so they all have personalities to match their poses, and are painted in a more normal color scheme. I wanted them to be more like knightly paladin paragons, rather than war-golems like they were featured as much too often in the beginning. I personally think bare faces make them so much cooler. Cant wait to get both female figures, as well.

Gameplay-wise I am coming from a totally different place with them. I play all my games with the Age of Fantasy ruleset from One Page Games, where Stormcast are multi-wound figures, and their weapons and armor benefits are much more toned down, but you still get the cool feel of powerful troops that are balanced by being outnumbered in most fights, unless it's against Ogres.






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Ive actually gone all of the way around the bend - I really did not like the SCE at launch, Andy have grown to like them over the two years since.

GW was too tight lipped about the fluff at launch, creating a bland world seemingly populated by nothing but Khorne warriors in a wasteland. The SCE fluff was so vague and scant that many players couldn't actually say what they were. Are there people in the suits? Orcs, dwarves, elves? Women as well as men? I honestly read what came in the starter set, and came away thinking of them as boring clone troopers who could infinitely re spawn, battling chaos over nothing for all eternity.

Since then, the world and background has grown up. The people in the suits have doubts, fears, and memories. The respawn isn't perfect by a mile, and even when it's working the individual that comes back isn't exactly who his fellows recall. There are women in the ranks, and they're not reformed into men or given skimpy scout armor, they're just like the boys, swinging hammers and trying not to die. No Orcs, No elves.

But, wildest of all - no xenophobia. Stormcast want to ally with everyone, in hopes of defeating Chaos. They don't care if you're a tree or a dog with a bird head, if you'll be so kind as to murder a follower of the dark gods they want to work with you. If you're a diseased chaos worshipping scum bag, but they can find one bit of good in you, they'll hit you with the lantern of purity and turn you into one of them. Coming from 40k, that's the thing that makes AoS novels seem entirely different to the adventures of Space Marines.

   
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 EnTyme wrote:
Normal humans are only "pointless" because of a lack of releases, and that can be said for just about every pre-End Times range. In the fluff, humans have been extremely important in rebuilding the world. The Stormcast are a tool of war, and are thus mistrusted by a large portion of the population. Once you start looking closer at the lore, Stormcasts actually get pretty interesting.

I do fully agree that they are getting a disproportionate number of releases, but I'm hoping fan feedback will eventually lead to that being toned down in favor of fleshing out other factions.


Disproportionate is putting it mildly; the Stormcast Eternals alone have almost as many releases as the Chaos Grand Alliance post-End Times releases taken together.

I think the biggest issue I have with them is that they all blend together. Every Stormcast is a dude/dudette wearing half a car; I wish there was less armor around, maybe have the Judicators (archers/crossbowmen) be more lightly armored, like a Space Marine Scout with a Tau-style shoulder-shield to break up the monotony of everyone being a walking suit of WoW Paladin Raid Gear.

Oggthrok wrote:
I've actually gone all of the way around the bend - I really did not like the SCE at launch, and have grown to like them over the two years since.

GW was too tight lipped about the fluff at launch, creating a bland world seemingly populated by nothing but Khorne warriors in a wasteland. The SCE fluff was so vague and scant that many players couldn't actually say what they were. Are there people in the suits? Orcs, dwarves, elves? Women as well as men? I honestly read what came in the starter set, and came away thinking of them as boring clone troopers who could infinitely re spawn, battling chaos over nothing for all eternity.


This might also be an issue; you only get one chance to make a first impression. The fluff at launch was incredibly bare-bones, and it colored perception of the SE, and AoS in general, very negatively.

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I do not mind them. They bring some nice High Fantasy theme for the good guys.

I don't hate them nor like them. Haven't bought any of them and will not in the foreseeable future, but they fill a niche that Warhammer missed, at least for the fantasy setting.

Also, being Italian I kind of like the 1500-1600-esque decorations they have and the wings on Prosecutors.

Yes, they ARE bland, but in the same blandness Space Marines have. Some people like big dudes in plate armor swinging hammers while not showing emotions. Others don't. Still, I don't dislike them, and they have a nice feel to them, as a faction.
   
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Stormcast are not interesting to me either.
I don't like them either. You should see the hate they get on /tg/


 EnTyme wrote:
The marine comparison is mostly cosmetic. The armies' themes are really no that similar.

Rob Symes said on Warhammer weekly that they are identical. Teleport/drop pod, god king on a throne and "they even have bolters now".
   
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The "bolters" are even called bolt stormers(fitting though as they shoot bolts) and their organization is done in "chambers".

So yes they definitely were space marine inspired but they've come so far from that and have differences that really stand out.

Stormcasts at their core are just brave militia Sigmar saved from death and put in magic armor as his knights to turn back the tide. They have emotions, fears, cherished memories of friends and family while taking a noble pride in their new status that gets them through their trial-by-fire hellish battles as much as it can get them killed by doing a courtly bow to a Ironjaw warlord they were hoping to ally with.

It's that humanity and their terror of losing it that makes them more than just fantasy marines.

, maybe have the Judicators (archers/crossbowmen) be more lightly armored, like a Space Marine Scout 


That's basically the Vanguard. Before that the Stormcast were being dropped straight into hellscapes and surrounded on all sides by warriors, undead, monsters and soul devouring daemons with no proper battlelines whatsoever.

Lightly armored soldiers wouldn't have survived long enough to help. (Indeed, more than a few battles in the novels have the judicators taking up swords and needing to join the swirling melee)



But, wildest of all - no xenophobia. Stormcast want to ally with everyone, in hopes of defeating Chaos. They don't care if you're a tree or a dog with a bird head, if you'll be so kind as to murder a follower of the dark gods they want to work with you. If you're a diseased chaos worshipping scum bag, but they can find one bit of good in you, they'll hit you with the lantern of purity and turn you into one of them. Coming from 40k, that's the thing that makes AoS novels seem entirely different to the adventures of Space Marines. 


^^ Another big reason I love them. Same reason I love Bretonnia and seeing the wood elf book with a knight aiding it's forces, those kind of alliances and friendships are really inspiring while adding so much potential for future interactions instead of "war and more war".

@AegisGrimm,

Awesome Stormcast!

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 VanHammer wrote:
You should see the hate they get on /tg/



Which makes them different from everything else on the internet how?

 VanHammer wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
The marine comparison is mostly cosmetic. The armies' themes are really no that similar.

Rob Symes said on Warhammer weekly that they are identical. Teleport/drop pod, god king on a throne and "they even have bolters now".


Again, that's a cosmetic similarity.

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Oggthrok wrote:

But, wildest of all - no xenophobia. Stormcast want to ally with everyone, in hopes of defeating Chaos. They don't care if you're a tree or a dog with a bird head, if you'll be so kind as to murder a follower of the dark gods they want to work with you. If you're a diseased chaos worshipping scum bag, but they can find one bit of good in you, they'll hit you with the lantern of purity and turn you into one of them. Coming from 40k, that's the thing that makes AoS novels seem entirely different to the adventures of Space Marines.


This is very much a plus for me.

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 EnTyme wrote:
 VanHammer wrote:
You should see the hate they get on /tg/



Which makes them different from everything else on the internet how?

 VanHammer wrote:
 EnTyme wrote:
The marine comparison is mostly cosmetic. The armies' themes are really no that similar.

Rob Symes said on Warhammer weekly that they are identical. Teleport/drop pod, god king on a throne and "they even have bolters now".


Again, that's a cosmetic similarity.

The all powerful leader of the good guys leads an all out war against Chaos. These are his chosen warriors to serve as the elite soldiers. Every one of them is a hero.

That applies to both Space Marines and Stormcast.

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