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From what I gather, Frag is on the right, Krak is on the left. At least, according to this.

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Is that considered to matter, though? If I put the "krak" model on a unit that does not get "krak" grenades, say to emulate this frag grenade:
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Does that cross up any rule somewhere regarding WYSIWYG?

M.

Codex: Soyuzki - A fluffy guidebook to my Astra Militarum subfaction. Now version 0.6!
Another way would be to simply slide the landraider sideways like a big slowed hovercraft full of eels. -pismakron
Sometimes a little murder is necessary in this hobby. -necrontyrOG

Out-of-the-loop from November 2010 - November 2017 so please excuse my ignorance!
 
   
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Ask your local group.

Generally though Grenades and stock pistols are usually the last thing people bother worrying about.

wysiwyg is generally for very specific things like special weapons or options that a model generally wouldnt have.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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WYSIWYG is not a rule.

If a tournament/gaming group actually cares about WYSIWYG stock wargear like grenades it's not a very good tournament/gaming group.

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Cardiff

You have the correct identification, but nobody will care if you do or don't model grenades on your miniatures. They could as easily be in a pouch or pocket as on a belt!

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
WYSIWYG is not a rule.

If a tournament/gaming group actually cares about WYSIWYG stock wargear like grenades it's not a very good tournament/gaming group.


So you can claim whatever on any model?

M.

Codex: Soyuzki - A fluffy guidebook to my Astra Militarum subfaction. Now version 0.6!
Another way would be to simply slide the landraider sideways like a big slowed hovercraft full of eels. -pismakron
Sometimes a little murder is necessary in this hobby. -necrontyrOG

Out-of-the-loop from November 2010 - November 2017 so please excuse my ignorance!
 
   
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 Infantryman wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
WYSIWYG is not a rule.

If a tournament/gaming group actually cares about WYSIWYG stock wargear like grenades it's not a very good tournament/gaming group.


So you can claim whatever on any model?

M.
Yes. Most people however will call foul on you using a bolter marine as a meltagun marine because it might cause confusion in game. Frag and Krak are standard issue and unremovable, so it's always clear the models have them.

Basically, the standard (I have found, it obviously varies) is "Don't take the piss. Model the optional and important things, don't worry about the always there, grenades and pistols."

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Cardiff

WYSIWYG is not expressly a rule but is the default understanding between players. I wish folk would post that instead of just 'isn't a rule'. It's far more helpful. Backup pistols and grenades are the usual exception as BCB says.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
WYSIWYG is not expressly a rule but is the default understanding between players. I wish folk would post that instead of just 'isn't a rule'. It's far more helpful. Backup pistols and grenades are the usual exception as BCB says.

I think that's worth pointing out that it isn't a rule because it definitely used to be an explicit rule but is not one any longer. Quite a few people seem to have missed that.

As such, for most WYSIWYG questions the only answer is - ask your TO or gaming group.
   
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 Scott-S6 wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
WYSIWYG is not expressly a rule but is the default understanding between players. I wish folk would post that instead of just 'isn't a rule'. It's far more helpful. Backup pistols and grenades are the usual exception as BCB says.

I think that's worth pointing out that it isn't a rule because it definitely used to be an explicit rule but is not one any longer. Quite a few people seem to have missed that.

As such, for most WYSIWYG questions the only answer is - ask your TO or gaming group.


Absolutely, but add the context that it is a default for 99% of gamers regardless of the rules. GW wouldn't sell different kits if it wasn't important, just Infantry, Tank, Character.

 Stormonu wrote:
For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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Keep in mind, all the snap fit/starter set Marines have never had pistols or holsters modeled, but space Marines have always had pistols. Or Chosen with their clearly modeled Close Combat weapons actually don't.

And Ork Kommandos have tank Busta bombs on their packs but could never take them as wargear ever....

So even GW is all over the place with this.
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
WYSIWYG is not expressly a rule but is the default understanding between players. I wish folk would post that instead of just 'isn't a rule'. It's far more helpful. Backup pistols and grenades are the usual exception as BCB says.

I think that's worth pointing out that it isn't a rule because it definitely used to be an explicit rule but is not one any longer. Quite a few people seem to have missed that.

As such, for most WYSIWYG questions the only answer is - ask your TO or gaming group.


Absolutely, but add the context that it is a default for 99% of gamers regardless of the rules. GW wouldn't sell different kits if it wasn't important, just Infantry, Tank, Character.


Mildly off topic. But when you bring up selling different kits and WYSIWYG there is a small issue with it.
So far I only know of 1 instance, but you cannot build a Flying Hive Tyrant WYSIWYG. The wings take up 1 of the 2 pairs of arm holes.
Which means you cannot represent all the weaponry on the model without converting.

Are there any other examples of the kit actually preventing you from doing WYSIWYG?

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You add a pair of weapons to the leg holes. The flying legs are supposed to be talons.
   
 
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