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Well, GW dashed my Ynnari hopes and dreams and I had plans to get a fair chunk of Harlequins to start with, so I figured if I did so I could just go full-steam ahead with a pure Clown army.

Harlequin Battalion 3CP

HQ:
Troupe Master
Fusion Pistol, Caress
[77]

Troupe Master
Fusion Pistol, Caress
[77]

Elites:
Solitaire
Caress, Kiss
[117]

Troops:
(5) Troupe
5x Fusion Pistols, 3x Embrace, 2x Caress
[156]

(5) Troupe
5x Fusion Pistols, 3x Embrace, 2x Caress
[156]

(5) Troupe
4x Fusion Pistols, 3x Embrace, 2x Caress
[147]

Dedicated Transport:
Starweaver
2x Shuriken Cannons
[99]

Starweaver
2x Shuriken Cannons
[99]

Starweaver
2x Shuriken Cannons
[99]

[1027]

Harlequin Spearhead 1CP

HQ:
Troupe Master
Fusion Pistol, Caress
[77]

Troops:
(5) Troupe
4x Fusion Pistols, 3x Embrace, 2x Caress
[147]

Dedicated Transport:
Starweaver
2x Shuriken Cannons
[99]

Heavy:
(2) Voidweavers
2x Shuriken Cannons, Prismatic Cannon
[216]

(2) Voidweavers
2x Shuriken Cannons, Prismatic Cannon
[216]

(2) Voidweavers
2x Shuriken Cannons, Prismatic Cannon
[216]

[971]

[1998]

Oddly, the list feels pretty well-rounded. Everything is in a transport or is a vehicle - all of which have -1 to-hit thanks to Mirage Launchers. The vehicles all have 4++ as well, so a 50% chance against all those nasty weapons out there is pretty good (especially given how fragile they are). All the infantry can do CC with Caress and Embrace for lots of AP -2 and AP -3 attacks, which is bolstered by a nearby TM for the wound re-rolls.

The Fusion Harlies in Starweavers act as my only real anti-tank, but Lance-mode Prismatic Cannons can all point at something and make a dent (six S8 AP -1 d6 damage shots). With 42 Shurken Cannon shots, I think I can do some hurt on infantry too.

7 CP and nothing to use it on! I hope Harlies get some stuff in Chapter Approved at the least. A relic or three and some strats would be nice.

Thoughts?

   
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If want a unique army Harles are not it. Every single harle army is very similar (not many options). I find 2x plebs and 3x Equipped for troupes per starweaver + a master good (though some argue all must be equipped or go 4 equipped). All depends on you but. Harle's are an army that 90% that play, is pretty much the same. Best advice is just try them and you decide.

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Spectral Ceramite wrote:
If want a unique army Harles are not it. Every single harle army is very similar (not many options). I find 2x plebs and 3x Equipped for troupes per starweaver + a master good (though some argue all must be equipped or go 4 equipped). All depends on you but. Harle's are an army that 90% that play, is pretty much the same. Best advice is just try them and you decide.


It is a very limited option army, so most lists I expect to look the same. I play AdMech, so I am used to it.

That being said, the painting aspect has me intrigued. Would be a major challenge compared to every other army and I do love a challenge.

Mostly looking to see if this list would be at all viable in a competitive (or even semi-competitive) environment.

   
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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Spectral Ceramite wrote:
If want a unique army Harles are not it. Every single harle army is very similar (not many options). I find 2x plebs and 3x Equipped for troupes per starweaver + a master good (though some argue all must be equipped or go 4 equipped). All depends on you but. Harle's are an army that 90% that play, is pretty much the same. Best advice is just try them and you decide.


It is a very limited option army, so most lists I expect to look the same. I play AdMech, so I am used to it.

That being said, the painting aspect has me intrigued. Would be a major challenge compared to every other army and I do love a challenge.

Mostly looking to see if this list would be at all viable in a competitive (or even semi-competitive) environment.


I love admech and have about 5x more options...


If going competitive, voidweavers are out and if want pure harle, look at troupes, masters, starweavers, shadowseers (purly for buff on a unit, as in the move etc) . Idk if skyweavers worth it tbh. If do points right the advance and charge of more clowns (troupes) worth it. However, I love them but idk if pure Harle and uber competative in same frame (but in local totally)


Quick look at your list. you have no plebs (so each loss is big), you don't have any counter smite spam. Even if go for all shooting from transports..they will die quick from focused fire so need the units inside to be not to expensive etc...

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I also just recently started playing a pure Harlequin army. And what is the general consensus on the skyweaver bikes? Are they ever worth using?
   
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I like the list. A smallish number of drops (potentially). Very fast moving and the ability to shoot pistols while in assault is a nice additional bonus, especially with Fusion Pistols.

Locally, I don't think anyone actually runs a Harlie list, so while it may look common on the internet, I don't think it is common for the area.

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 Sarigar wrote:
I like the list. A smallish number of drops (potentially). Very fast moving and the ability to shoot pistols while in assault is a nice additional bonus, especially with Fusion Pistols.

Locally, I don't think anyone actually runs a Harlie list, so while it may look common on the internet, I don't think it is common for the area.


Right? I've not seen anyone sporting pure Harlies locally. And you know I'm a painter first and foremost, so these are like the real test of skill as an army.

I worry about the numbers though. At 2k, having so few dudes seems real risky. But aside from splashing for Alaitoc (Rangers), not sure how to put more bodies on the table. I don't necessarily want to deviate from pure Harlies either. Would a variation without transports be viable given their speed? Or would that just make focusing down on the Voidweavers easier?

On an aside, Harley 'Dex confirmed. So that is good. Maybe they will get a few new kits or have some Eldar stuff worked into their list.

   
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I have a Harlequin themed painted Hemlock. Pilot swap and Harlequin symbol swap and then paintwork. Hemlocks do great work if you are looking for things that aren't technically a Harlequin model.

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I agree Harle's are not common in gaming groups usually (I am only 1 of 2 players that have Harle's in my current gaming group, though they are not our main armies). I have limited experience with Harle's as well (being more of a converter and painter over player myself).

I am going to post 2 of my armies as an example (though is my local, so you will have vastly different experiences), that they can be o.k/competitive in local. However, I think in a tourney maybe not so much.

In 8th edition my first attempt at a (after testing games) Harle army has gone 2 -2 (Win-Loss) in our local group:

HQ (246)
82 Troupe Master: 1x Fusion pistol, 1x Kiss
82 Troupe Master: 1x Fusion pistol, 1x Kiss
82 Troupe Master: 1x Fusion pistol, 1x Kiss
134 Shadowseer: Shuriken pistol, 1x Miststave

EL (117)
117 Solitaire: 1x Caress, 1x Kiss

TS (977)
287 11x Troupe:
• 4x Shuriken pistols & 4x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• 4x Neuro disruptor & 4x Embrace

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons (99)

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

FA (336)
112 2x Skyweaver: 2x Zephyrglaive, 2x Shuriken cannon
112 2x Skyweaver: 2x Zephyrglaive, 2x Shuriken cannon
112 2x Skyweaver: 2x Zephyrglaive, 2x Shuriken cannon

HS (324)
108 Voidweaver: Prismatic cannon, 2x Shuriken cannons
108 Voidweaver: Prismatic cannon, 2x Shuriken cannons
108 Voidweaver: Prismatic cannon, 2x Shuriken cannons

Soldiers: 37 Vehicles: 6 Command Points: 8 (Battalion, outrider, spearhead) Points: 2000pts

The army I have made now has done well in local group 5-1 (Win-Loss). I dropped the Voidweavers because they honestly didn't do anything except draw fire (though that is good, but not for the cost). I dropped a lot of the skyweavers because at 56pts each are way over costed. Added a lot more of the things that performed aka Troupes. I added 3 screen troupe units (for area denial 9" and smite absorption), they also can jump on objectives with the quick moves (have neuro for range). The rest move and shoot in the transports etc like normal. The Seer is out side to cast and give buff to my screeners etc. I still kept 2 skyweavers for first turn objectives:

HQ (241)
82 Troupe Master: 1x Fusion pistol, 1x Kiss
82 Troupe Master: 1x Fusion pistol, 1x Kiss
77 Troupe Master: 1x Fusion pistol, 1x Caress
134 Shadowseer: Shuriken pistol, 1x Miststave

EL (117)
117 Solitaire: 1x Caress, 1x Kiss

TS (1530)
95 5x Troupe:
• 4x Shuriken pistols & 4x Harlequin’s blade
• 1x Neuro disruptors & 1x Embraces

95 5x Troupe:
• 4x Shuriken pistols & 4x Harlequin’s blade
• 1x Neuro disruptors & 1x Embraces

190 10x Troupe:
• 8x Shuriken pistols & 8x Harlequin’s blade
• 2x Neuro disruptors & 2x Embraces

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

230 5x Troupe:
• 2x Shuriken pistols & 2x Harlequin’s blade
• 3x Fusion pistols & 3x Caress
• Starweaver: 2x Shuriken cannons

FA
112 2x Skyweaver: 2x Zephyrglaive, 2x Shuriken cannon (56pts each)

Soldiers: 52 Vehicles: 5 Command Points: 9 (2x Battalion + Battle forged) Points: 2000pts

Just an example of an army that maximises troupes. I really don't rate voidweavers at all for the cost (some may and you may love them, if so use them). Even with my W-L ration on this army in my local, I don't think would do awesome in a tourney and with my other armies can see it falling pretty easily. Try your army for yourself and see. With your army and so many points tied up in the void weavers I see it not preforming like you hope. They just don't do enough damage to spend 600+ points on tbh. If still modeling your army, I would strongly recommend either wait for codex, or make sure you magnatise your void/star weavers.
Just some of my experiences to hopefully speed you on your way to your niche setup.

Hope helps,
SC

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Spectral, you have one too many HQ choices for a Battalion. Is that second list two Battalions?

   
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I'm not a fan of caresses. With the reroll to wound from the masters, the additional strength isn't that important. Embraces are cheaper for a better AP.
The Solitaire was also always a big disappointment for me. He can usually manage a T1 charge against a good target (like a key support character), but usually fails to do the job.
Skyweavers are pretty bad at the moment. If you want to go competitive, you can ignore them.

In your list, I would drop the solitaire, and swap some caresses for embraces. With the points, you could get a Shadowseer and keep the same detachments/number of drops. Twilight pathways is pretty boss to get in melta range T1, and the aura is pretty good too. On top of a smite + a deny, it's usually worth it to have one.
   
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fresus wrote:
I'm not a fan of caresses. With the reroll to wound from the masters, the additional strength isn't that important. Embraces are cheaper for a better AP.
The Solitaire was also always a big disappointment for me. He can usually manage a T1 charge against a good target (like a key support character), but usually fails to do the job.
Skyweavers are pretty bad at the moment. If you want to go competitive, you can ignore them.

In your list, I would drop the solitaire, and swap some caresses for embraces. With the points, you could get a Shadowseer and keep the same detachments/number of drops. Twilight pathways is pretty boss to get in melta range T1, and the aura is pretty good too. On top of a smite + a deny, it's usually worth it to have one.
.

I don't like embraces (yes re-roll, but it depends on enemy etc and always like the options S5 gives me) The Solitaire... ye same but I like the model.

Cheers, but it's not about my army (I posted to give the OP an example to help show what could get over Voidweavers, I like my army when, I rarely play it).




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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Spectral, you have one too many HQ choices for a Battalion. Is that second list two Battalions?


The second army I posted is 2x Battalions (says at the bottom).

Hope suggestions help.

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Ah, I see that now, Spectral. I usually format out each detachment, for clarity.

I hope that with a new 'Dex and Chapter Approved, we see Harlies get a nice price adjustment and some solid traits/relics, etc. I will likely hold off until then, just in case it radically shifts my lists.

Thanks for the input folks!

   
 
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