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After Months of thinking, I still haven't figured out which HH Legion to go with. Each of them has a reason why I like them, Even My least favorites (The DA and WS) are pretty frickin cool. So decided to seek help on this forum.

When it comes to lore, It is for the most part diverse. But I seem to like the gritter and more Morbid legions among My top favorites With My favorites I would probably say are the Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, and the Word Bearers. Though I also like an army with some level headiness and honor in it, which is also why I like the Imperial Fists and Salamanders in a way. But it's mainly the ones with some grit to them.

Speaking of which when it comes to my painting style, I'm more skilled when it comes to the darker and dirtier colors (I tested out a few models), I'm also decent with the Red (Blood Angels) and White (World Eaters) schemes, but I'm overall not terribly good with brighter color schemes like with Yellow.


Now with the most important part (arguably) the rules and the way the army plays. Well after some thinking I came to the conclusion that, I seem to prefer a more ranged oriented way of warfare that can be able to cause serious damage to the enemy from afar. I also like an army that has some good endurance and resistance to firepower on the field and are generally hard-hitting along with it. I'm also up for Legion Specific rules that have a good effect on infantry such as the case with Morale or something that makes them tougher and more killy.


So What do you think would be the best Legion for Me?

   
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Iron Warriors, Death Guard or Iron Hands, in that order.

I put Death Guard second just because you said you don't like painting white, but from a lore perspective they had that whole 'saving mankind from tyrants and flung 'emselves into the most hostile battlefields' thing going on, which is a fair bit more noble than Iron Warrior's 'Perty feeds them to the meat grinder' thing. Rules wise, they both do attrition well, but Iron Warriors have more of a thing for artillery.

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If you don't like a legion's official colour scheme, you can always adapt it. Iron Warriors could be grey or have cityfighting camo.
   
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I'd say Iron Hands and Iron Warriors. Preferably the former. Easy to paint, both have great staying power, but IH through resistance to shooting, while Iron warriors simply don't care getting shot.
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
Iron Warriors, Death Guard or Iron Hands, in that order.

I put Death Guard second just because you said you don't like painting white, but from a lore perspective they had that whole 'saving mankind from tyrants and flung 'emselves into the most hostile battlefields' thing going on, which is a fair bit more noble than Iron Warrior's 'Perty feeds them to the meat grinder' thing. Rules wise, they both do attrition well, but Iron Warriors have more of a thing for artillery.


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Leman_Russ wrote:
Why is there no VIKING SPACE PUPPIES?


Because they're ridiculous Mary Sues.

Hydra Dominatus. I cannot wait for The Cull and all the tears of Wolf players watching their poster boy get properly schooled by the Unbroken Chain.


Back to the OP, Ranged, Dark Color, Honorable, Morbid (esp when the bromance with Fulgrim is over...), Iron Hands.



 
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Leman_Russ wrote:
Why is there no VIKING SPACE PUPPIES?


Because they're ridiculous Mary Sues.






My vote goes for Iron Hands, if for no other reason than I don't see a lot of them getting played (vs the very popular Iron Warriors, at least in my area), but they do already have a Primarch model.

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As the people here suggested go with the Legion you would have the least problems to paint. You will paint a lot of bodies. Maybe 100. Maybe even 200 miniatures. You have to make sure you dont get bored along the way. Its very time consuming.

For example the Legion i like the most is World Eaters - i like the paint scheme, history, book Betrayer by ADB and their quite original way of waging war with chainaxes and being overall very close combat oriented. However i didnt choose this Legion as i dont feel competent in painting white. It would be very time consuming for me. Maybe i could speed up the process by painting them with lots of blood and dirt splatters but i dont like such painting very much.
Second Legion i like the most for similar reasons Word Bearers i also didnt choose as my first Legion. I chose it as second and its as i feared - painting is much more time consuming.

As my first Legion i chose my third most likeable Iron Warriors.
   
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I voted Iron Hands.
I think there resistance to fire power makes them longer lasting especially with an apothecary. Also there love for esoteric weapons so you can run Graviton gun tactical support squads which are really nasty against tanks.
I think Death Guard and Salamanders are very similar in that they like mid to short range fire power.
Like others have said Iron warriors also seem a good fit for you.

Just out of curiosity why are the Space Wolves Mary Sues?
And who did you mean when typing WS I’m assuming World Eaters or Word Bearers.

 
   
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Kasper Hawser wrote:
Just out of curiosity why are the Space Wolves Mary Sues?

It's more of a 40k thing. The Space Wolves tend to pull off a lot of ridiculous stunts and suffer absolutely zero consequences for it; start a war with the Inquisition, actually win against the Grey Knights, harbour mutants in the form of Wulfen, don't keep successor chapters, their Chapter Master runs around with a friggin' Khorne daemon axe. Every chapter has it's dirty little secrets, but the SW have done so much crap compared to everybody else and it's instead held up as to why they're so cool and wicked and metal yo, but it falls flat because it just makes 'em look like untouchable Mary Sues. Ultramarines are Sues (Stus?) because they're the best at everything, whilst the Wolves are Sues because they can do whatever they want without consequences. Even in Warzone: Fenris they get off light, because Games Workshop has no problem destroying important planets or characters belonging to other factions, but can't bring 'emselves to really do more than corrupt Fenris temporarily and drive off the Thousand Sons looking 'badarse' for it, whilst the Blood Angels end up pretty much wiped out and thanking Daddy Gulliman for help.

And who did you mean when typing WS I’m assuming World Eaters or Word Bearers.

Poor White Scars... forgotten about even on internet boards.

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From your post, I think you will find your Legion in the Iron Warriors. They are among my favourites as well, together with the Thousand Sons legion.

They look great, are sturdy and have great firepower. Their abilities reflect their fluff perfectly imo.

Iron Warriors can also be played very well in 8th edition 40k as well with the same models. The Iron Warriors did not mutate a lot, so if you paint them gritty and damaged enough, they fit perfectly in both 30 and 40k.

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get a legion that you can use colored primer for LOL

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 Arbitrator wrote:

And who did you mean when typing WS I’m assuming World Eaters or Word Bearers.

Poor White Scars... forgotten about even on internet boards.


I am considering them for my loyalist legion when I get around to it, I haven't read the Scars books but I'm told they are extremely good and once and for all quash the 'space mongols' and 'poor man's Wolves' tags they've been stuck with.



 
   
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 Arbitrator wrote:
Kasper Hawser wrote:
Just out of curiosity why are the Space Wolves Mary Sues?

It's more of a 40k thing. The Space Wolves tend to pull off a lot of ridiculous stunts and suffer absolutely zero consequences for it; start a war with the Inquisition, actually win against the Grey Knights, harbour mutants in the form of Wulfen, don't keep successor chapters, their Chapter Master runs around with a friggin' Khorne daemon axe. Every chapter has it's dirty little secrets, but the SW have done so much crap compared to everybody else and it's instead held up as to why they're so cool and wicked and metal yo, but it falls flat because it just makes 'em look like untouchable Mary Sues. Ultramarines are Sues (Stus?) because they're the best at everything, whilst the Wolves are Sues because they can do whatever they want without consequences. Even in Warzone: Fenris they get off light, because Games Workshop has no problem destroying important planets or characters belonging to other factions, but can't bring 'emselves to really do more than corrupt Fenris temporarily and drive off the Thousand Sons looking 'badarse' for it, whilst the Blood Angels end up pretty much wiped out and thanking Daddy Gulliman for help.

And who did you mean when typing WS I’m assuming World Eaters or Word Bearers.

Poor White Scars... forgotten about even on internet boards.


Whoops completely forgot about them. Mind you it’s not my fault they spend most there time playing with Orcs.

Interesting about the Space Wolves I’ve not looked that much into their background. I’ve read Inferno, Prospero Burns and Thousand Sons but that’s it. They do come across as a bunch of hypocrites in their actions with the Thousand Sons in general and World Eaters in Betrayer.

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I voted for Salamanders as I see them least.

A Song of Ice and Fire - House Greyjoy.
AoS - Maggotkin of Nurgle, Ossiarch Bonereapers & Seraphon.
Bloodbowl - Lizardmen.
Horus Heresy - World Eaters.
Marvel Crisis Protocol - Avengers, Brotherhood of Mutants & Cabal. 
Middle Earth Strategy Battle game - Rivendell & The Easterlings. 
The Ninth Age - Beast Herds & Highborn Elves. 
Warhammer 40k  - Tyranids. 
 
   
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Kasper Hawser wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Kasper Hawser wrote:
Just out of curiosity why are the Space Wolves Mary Sues?

It's more of a 40k thing. The Space Wolves tend to pull off a lot of ridiculous stunts and suffer absolutely zero consequences for it; start a war with the Inquisition, actually win against the Grey Knights, harbour mutants in the form of Wulfen, don't keep successor chapters, their Chapter Master runs around with a friggin' Khorne daemon axe. Every chapter has it's dirty little secrets, but the SW have done so much crap compared to everybody else and it's instead held up as to why they're so cool and wicked and metal yo, but it falls flat because it just makes 'em look like untouchable Mary Sues. Ultramarines are Sues (Stus?) because they're the best at everything, whilst the Wolves are Sues because they can do whatever they want without consequences. Even in Warzone: Fenris they get off light, because Games Workshop has no problem destroying important planets or characters belonging to other factions, but can't bring 'emselves to really do more than corrupt Fenris temporarily and drive off the Thousand Sons looking 'badarse' for it, whilst the Blood Angels end up pretty much wiped out and thanking Daddy Gulliman for help.

And who did you mean when typing WS I’m assuming World Eaters or Word Bearers.

Poor White Scars... forgotten about even on internet boards.


Whoops completely forgot about them. Mind you it’s not my fault they spend most there time playing with Orcs.

Interesting about the Space Wolves I’ve not looked that much into their background. I’ve read Inferno, Prospero Burns and Thousand Sons but that’s it. They do come across as a bunch of hypocrites in their actions with the Thousand Sons in general and World Eaters in Betrayer.


I think this is exactly why I like Space Wolves in 30K.

They were my very first army way back in the day (3rd Edition 40k), before I lost interest and jumped ship a zillion times. When I came back to the hobby last year, the 40K Space Wolves were.. embarrassing. Power armoured dudes riding Wolves as cavalry, Santa Grimnar, and all this ridiculous Mary Sue fluff.

But then there's 30K Space Wolves. They're so much less wolf-guard-wolfing-down-wolf-chow-with-blood-claws-and-wolf-lords-at-the-fang (except in Battle for the Abyss, screw that trash) that they don't even call themselves Space Wolves internally. The darker, colder grey and red armour aesthetic was more interesting than bright bluegrey and yellow and matches their solemn mentality as Emperor's Executioners. They've got an ugly job, and they're despised by a lot of the Emperor's own military for it. But they do it all anyway, out of loyalty.

I get the hypocrite criticism that's levelled against them for psykers and berzerkers, but for the Space Wolves, it all comes down to control. There's a really good argument in his defence on 1d4chan, that basically equates to him begrudging his brothers who embraced their flaws when he worked so hard himself to remain in control of them.

TL;DR: Russ shared many flaws with his brothers, but he was defined by being in control rather than being thrall to his flaws. His bloodlust never overtook his discipline like it would Angron. His glory-seeking never overrode his sense of responsibility like it would Lion El'Johnson. He made sure his sons worked against their curse rather than have them embrace it like Magnus did. It comes to no surprise that someone who worked so hard for control resented people who thought they didn't need it, hence the accusations of hypocrisy, however (in fairness like many of his brothers Primarchs), interpersonal skills weren't exactly his forte. Russ' real failing was not that he accused others for things he had to deal with himself, but rather that he was in an unique position where he could have been an example to his brothers because he shared and knew how to deal with said flaws but his brashness and agressivity drove them apart instead.

10,000 30K/40K Space Wolves, 6000pts 30K Iron Warriors, 3200pts Daemons of the Ruinstorm
3500pts AoS Maggotkin of Nurgle, 3000pts AoS Stormcast Eternals, 2000pts AoS Skaven
1800pts Middle-earth Rivendell, 1000pts Grey Company, 600pts Iron Hills
1800pts Middle-earth Angmar, 1100pts Moria, 1000pts Dol Guldur
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 Haanz wrote:
Kasper Hawser wrote:
 Arbitrator wrote:
Kasper Hawser wrote:
Just out of curiosity why are the Space Wolves Mary Sues?

It's more of a 40k thing. The Space Wolves tend to pull off a lot of ridiculous stunts and suffer absolutely zero consequences for it; start a war with the Inquisition, actually win against the Grey Knights, harbour mutants in the form of Wulfen, don't keep successor chapters, their Chapter Master runs around with a friggin' Khorne daemon axe. Every chapter has it's dirty little secrets, but the SW have done so much crap compared to everybody else and it's instead held up as to why they're so cool and wicked and metal yo, but it falls flat because it just makes 'em look like untouchable Mary Sues. Ultramarines are Sues (Stus?) because they're the best at everything, whilst the Wolves are Sues because they can do whatever they want without consequences. Even in Warzone: Fenris they get off light, because Games Workshop has no problem destroying important planets or characters belonging to other factions, but can't bring 'emselves to really do more than corrupt Fenris temporarily and drive off the Thousand Sons looking 'badarse' for it, whilst the Blood Angels end up pretty much wiped out and thanking Daddy Gulliman for help.

And who did you mean when typing WS I’m assuming World Eaters or Word Bearers.

Poor White Scars... forgotten about even on internet boards.


Whoops completely forgot about them. Mind you it’s not my fault they spend most there time playing with Orcs.

Interesting about the Space Wolves I’ve not looked that much into their background. I’ve read Inferno, Prospero Burns and Thousand Sons but that’s it. They do come across as a bunch of hypocrites in their actions with the Thousand Sons in general and World Eaters in Betrayer.


I think this is exactly why I like Space Wolves in 30K.

They were my very first army way back in the day (3rd Edition 40k), before I lost interest and jumped ship a zillion times. When I came back to the hobby last year, the 40K Space Wolves were.. embarrassing. Power armoured dudes riding Wolves as cavalry, Santa Grimnar, and all this ridiculous Mary Sue fluff.

But then there's 30K Space Wolves. They're so much less wolf-guard-wolfing-down-wolf-chow-with-blood-claws-and-wolf-lords-at-the-fang (except in Battle for the Abyss, screw that trash) that they don't even call themselves Space Wolves internally. The darker, colder grey and red armour aesthetic was more interesting than bright bluegrey and yellow and matches their solemn mentality as Emperor's Executioners. They've got an ugly job, and they're despised by a lot of the Emperor's own military for it. But they do it all anyway, out of loyalty.

I get the hypocrite criticism that's levelled against them for psykers and berzerkers, but for the Space Wolves, it all comes down to control. There's a really good argument in his defence on 1d4chan, that basically equates to him begrudging his brothers who embraced their flaws when he worked so hard himself to remain in control of them.

TL;DR: Russ shared many flaws with his brothers, but he was defined by being in control rather than being thrall to his flaws. His bloodlust never overtook his discipline like it would Angron. His glory-seeking never overrode his sense of responsibility like it would Lion El'Johnson. He made sure his sons worked against their curse rather than have them embrace it like Magnus did. It comes to no surprise that someone who worked so hard for control resented people who thought they didn't need it, hence the accusations of hypocrisy, however (in fairness like many of his brothers Primarchs), interpersonal skills weren't exactly his forte. Russ' real failing was not that he accused others for things he had to deal with himself, but rather that he was in an unique position where he could have been an example to his brothers because he shared and knew how to deal with said flaws but his brashness and agressivity drove them apart instead.


Unfortunately at the moment there seems to be a big difference between GW writers and FW writers so it doesn’t surprise me that the Space wolves fluff isn’t great I think Matt Ward started something in 5th and it’s taken hold with GW main. I really worry what will become of the HH now we’ve Lost Alan Bligh.
I get the stuff about the wolves holding their flaws in check. Although that seems to fall by the wayside during the events on Prospero. They overstretch themselves and it’s only the Custodes and Sisters intervention that stops the Wolves from becoming the executed.

 
   
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It seems to me you've described Iron Hands perfectly. They are gritty and serious, yet have a touch of honor about them for sure.

Paint wise they are a dark legion which plays to your strengths yet they have a color scheme that invokes touches of red as well (I forget what they're called but it's easy to find examples of it).

They are tough and resilient as a legion on the tabletop given their rules, and they do lend themselves to primarily ranged combat with special units and a character (Orth) that excel at it. I don't think any other legion ticks all those boxes so well.
   
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