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CHAOS. What is it really? In WH40K, its an umbrella term for all of the "beyond-this-dimension" stuff, like Psykers, and chaos "gods", etc. The biggest and most true mythos of this universe is of the 4 chaos gods, who have taken up arms in the Milky Way Galaxy. There's no denying them, you've all sensed their presence. Of course the Imperium hides the full truth from its public, so, for anyone under their regime, "extra curricular" learning is required for you to understand just how much bigger the world really is. But, regardless of your upbringing, you all know in your gut that there is much more out there than meets the eye.

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We play the ultimate game. The game is called duality. For, in this life, in this dimension - in this particular reality, you can, and will, break down anything and everything surrounding yourself, for better or worse. On this limited plane of existence, you reside in that body of yours, for the most part. So, in your life? Everything other than you and your physical form, is of a secondary concern. Your self comes first! Your surroundings, are under your strict scrutiny. This is your world, and you are in control.... and, for a fee, you can potentially control it all! Muhahaha **<--- whisperings of chaos **

People have a choice. Chaos is the primary result of people serving themselves to the detriment of the universe. The word god is supposed to be used to represent the universe as a whole; when you pray to "god", its supposed to mean that you pray to the universe, you pray to the true components of real life, instead of surrendering to a false prophet.

Fast forward 40 thousand years in the future, and this (WH40K) galaxy has become so acquainted with its own chaos, that new realities have been integrated into its populace. The Old Ones who fostered this galaxy fell spectacularly, so life here has gone totally psycho. People are crazy because Chaos has gained enough mass to replace god. Hell, we've played the game so hard and far (looking at you, Eldar!) that chaos has fething EXPLODED! Its so big, we've been able to divide it into multiple sections and categorize certain parts. Its ridiculous.

And so we pray for the Emperor's help....


..... and yet.... the Emperor is claiming to be God, as so many before him have. Is he truly serving us and our combined universe? Or just himself? People can have multiple reasons for their actions, but, mathematically, you can add up the sum total of their soul's energetic orientation: Ultimately the soul spark is either a positive charge (service to the universe) or a negative charge (service to one's self) in the overworld, in the higher dimensions of this vast universe, on the much more pure, energetic level.

In the lower planes of existence, we can separate, and wage war on each other. This is duality. This is the game.

But a lot of energy has consolidated and taken form, and has created its own reality. Hence chaos.


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What is the original meaning of Chaos?



Currently, when someone says something is chaotic means that it has no order at all: that everything is upside down, jumbled or messy. However, this wasn’t the original meaning Greeks gave to this word.

One of the first writers to mention this term was Hesiod (flourished ca. 700 b.C.) in one of his chief works: The Teogony, where the author talks about the birth of gods and natural personifications. All those creatures actually came out from a huge void or an abyss full of emptiness; a so-called initial gap which separated the two primary elements that later on gave birth to the rest of the elements of the Universe: Earth (Gea) and Heaven (Uranos).

There is a Greek verb that is indeed related to the χάος (chaos) root. Let’s check it out: χαίνω (chaíno) or χάσκω (chásko) means “to open”, “to open one’s mouth”, “to yawn”. Even “to open one’s mouth in order to talk”. Hence the word χάος (chaos) and meaning Hesiodus gave to it as “void gap” from which all the elements of the Cosmos were born. (In fact, the word κόσμος (kósmos) in Greek means “order”, or world in which all things have its own boundaries and can be easily distinguished from one another. This is, in fact, the exact opposite to chaos, where everything is formless and indefinite!)

The Greeks actually used another word to refer to “desorder”, that wasn’t at all related to the word “chaos”, which was ἀταραξία (ataraxía). A term whidely used in philosophy works such as in Epicurus, who described a state of mind that was utterly disordered and thus didn’t allow the person that was under its effects to reach happiness.

The current meaning which we use today as “utter confusion” was first coined from the Ovid Metamorphoses, where Ovid describes chaos as “a raw confused mass, nothing but inert matter, badly combined discordant atoms of things, confused in the one place.” (A. S. Kline’s version). This semantical shift was also extended from the theological use of the word.

Even though, if we take a close look to the first words of the Genesis, we will encounter the same original meaning the Greeks gave to the word chaos: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty.”

To sum up, whenever someone says something “is chaotic”, we will have to wonder weather it’s messy or empty!

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This was taken from a blog, from this guy: https://micromythos.wordpress.com/2015/01/17/what-is-the-original-meaning-of-chaos/

I thought it was pretty cool.

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Destroy to create. Wreak havoc upon the infrastructure and bring life anew. Break through all barriers to realize there were no barriers. Realize there were only treacherous games. Learn the entirety of the game. Find the game makers; find the dick traitors/dictators.
Explode unto thy betrayers - ruin all their materials, dethrone and desecrate their persona, crush and manipulate their force, squeeze and torture their ideals to redirect their goals so as to dominate their souls, extract and perfect their fear so as to mitigate their strength and amplify their weakness.
Cut out the sickness, then imprison the wardens. Sing the song blood red and true. Create their destruction.
All for the hunt to dominate. 
   
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Well... hes got some stuff wrong in there. Like the Emperor claiming to be god.

Actually the Big E hates religion and did everything he could to stamp it out in the name of the church of reason. It wasn't until after he was entombed on the golden throne that the church of the Emperor and the Escilarchy made him into a god figure.

It's a major component of why the Imperium is so far off track 10k years after the heresy. All logic and reason is gone in the name of religious doctrine and witch hunts.


These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
 
   
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 Lance845 wrote:
Well... hes got some stuff wrong in there. Like the Emperor claiming to be god.

Actually the Big E hates religion and did everything he could to stamp it out in the name of the church of reason. It wasn't until after he was entombed on the golden throne that the church of the Emperor and the Escilarchy made him into a god figure.

It's a major component of why the Imperium is so far off track 10k years after the heresy. All logic and reason is gone in the name of religious doctrine and witch hunts.


Well less so hated religion and more of hated chaos with religion providing weakness for chaos to exploit.

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Made in ca
Been Around the Block





Aye, he (the chaos cultist) saw what the church of the Emperor and the Ecclisary made the Emperor into. Well, he thought that that was what the Emperor was trying to be this whole time - become God.

I personally believe the Emperor was trying to uncover the secrets of reality, to figure out why we all exist, what this galaxy means, who created it.

I believe that he was eventually going to tap into the Old One's powers. He was getting close, what with him accessing the Eldar's powers and linking up to the webway, and adding his own components to it. But then Horus and some of his brothers went too far with their "embrace" of Chaos. And the rest is history.

Where as the Emperor knew how to control chaos, knew how to control his own chaos, Horus wasn't ready to control his powers.

If it weren't for our emotions, our souls, then there'd be nothing for these daemons to feed off of. These deamons maybe would not even exist. So, we essentially made chaos ourselves. Therefore, we could control it.

But... maybe we (as humans) didn't create the current mess that is Chaos. Perhaps some outside force deliberately created this hellspawn just to feth with us.

What do you guys think? Just what the hell IS chaos? Did we create it? Can it be peaceful? Were all the currents and flows and eddies of energy in the immaterium/empyrean at one time peaceful?

Or has chaos always been about absolute madness?

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Destroy to create. Wreak havoc upon the infrastructure and bring life anew. Break through all barriers to realize there were no barriers. Realize there were only treacherous games. Learn the entirety of the game. Find the game makers; find the dick traitors/dictators.
Explode unto thy betrayers - ruin all their materials, dethrone and desecrate their persona, crush and manipulate their force, squeeze and torture their ideals to redirect their goals so as to dominate their souls, extract and perfect their fear so as to mitigate their strength and amplify their weakness.
Cut out the sickness, then imprison the wardens. Sing the song blood red and true. Create their destruction.
All for the hunt to dominate. 
   
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Sneaky Lictor






The warp is a pool of human emotions, the immeritirum, the great sea.. Chaos is born from emotion.


A Song of Ice and Fire - House Greyjoy.
AoS - Maggotkin of Nurgle, Ossiarch Bonereapers & Seraphon.
Bloodbowl - Lizardmen.
Horus Heresy - World Eaters.
Marvel Crisis Protocol - Avengers, Brotherhood of Mutants & Cabal. 
Middle Earth Strategy Battle game - Rivendell & The Easterlings. 
The Ninth Age - Beast Herds & Highborn Elves. 
Warhammer 40k  - Tyranids. 
 
   
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I have, in a folder somewhere, a GW design brief from the late 80's or early 90's which was mailed to authors of novels and designers for game stuff. It states the original idea from GW. It's come a long way.
   
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Dayum, ^^ I'd love to see chaos' evolution.

Destroy to create. Wreak havoc upon the infrastructure and bring life anew. Break through all barriers to realize there were no barriers. Realize there were only treacherous games. Learn the entirety of the game. Find the game makers; find the dick traitors/dictators.
Explode unto thy betrayers - ruin all their materials, dethrone and desecrate their persona, crush and manipulate their force, squeeze and torture their ideals to redirect their goals so as to dominate their souls, extract and perfect their fear so as to mitigate their strength and amplify their weakness.
Cut out the sickness, then imprison the wardens. Sing the song blood red and true. Create their destruction.
All for the hunt to dominate. 
   
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator




 Elbows wrote:
I have, in a folder somewhere, a GW design brief from the late 80's or early 90's which was mailed to authors of novels and designers for game stuff. It states the original idea from GW. It's come a long way.


Pics or it didn't happen.

Disclaimer - I am a Games Workshop Shareholder. 
   
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Dorset, England

Some interesting thoughts on Chaos, I've always thought on the Realm of Chaos itself as a formless place where thoughts and emotions become real, so there would be no matter there at all.
Wierldly I suppose the Chaos gods are self sustaining entities, as they are created out of thoughts but also themselves appear to think!

Only in places where the realms cross, like the Eye of Terror, are there actually physical places. Geography to me seems to be fundamentally at odds with the formless nature of the warp.

AIt's a major component of why the Imperium is so far off track 10k years after the heresy. All logic and reason is gone in the name of religious doctrine and witch hunts.

I would say that religion is all that has kept Humanity united, albeit imperfectly, in the last 10,000 years. Inspired, I would guess, by Christianity affording the civilised world a sense of common culture and identity beyond the disparate political entities that appeared following the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

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