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Are there any instances of Genestealer Cult infested planets having to openly defend them from threats? Let’s say a Chaos incursion threatens to destroy or render the planet unsuitable for later consumption, have Patriarchs ever openly sent their forces into battle to keep it safe, or otherwise allied with the planetary defence forces?

Similarly, is there any history of the sort of Hive skirmishes and secretive fights between rival Chaos cults and Genestealer cults? I just like the idea that Chaos cults and clandestine sabatoge efforts by the enemies of the Imperium are stymied just as often by Genestealers as anything else, just due to their parasitic nature forcing them to be entwined in the Imperium’s success, at least until their Tyranid masters come.
   
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Ork genestealer cults have been disconnected from the hive mind before and fought back the tyranid invasion but apart from that, I don't know.
   
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Most likely yes. But they wouldn't do it openly as a Genestealer cult (they would be blowing their cover). But they would undoubtedly help defend their planet against threats like Chaos. Don't know of any direct example though, haven't read a lot of GS cult fluff yet.

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A quote from nids codex about Hivefleet Tiamet:
''CALL OF THE VOID
Upon the world of Heinrich’s March, worshippers of the Dark Gods work their tortured slaves to death as they attempt to erect a monolithic ziggurat in honour of their foul patrons.A new and hidden cult propagates amidst the persecuted masses: the Choir of theVoid. Its leader, the blind prophet known as the Conduit, preaches that a saviour race from beyond the stars awaits them in a far-off place, a paradise planet where they will find salvation. In a great uprising, millions of slaves overwhelm their masters and commandeer several dozen cargohulks.This armada of the faithful makes for the nearby TiametSystem, guided by the visions of theConduit''

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The GSC Codex talks about unwary raiders or enemies attacking "imperial" worlds and being assaulted right back by cults.

Problem is that the Cult is likely to take advantage of the Chaos to try and take over if they don't already control the world.

Fighting between Chaos, Imperial and GSC (as well as any Xenos worshiping Cults - Necrons have them) is as likely as Chaos Cults to different gods fighting each other.

You could have quite a few factions besides the Imperials - who of course have their own factions!

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Cults are supposed to actively infiltrate and take over PDF's, so I would say it's an inevitable part of the process.

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 Badablack wrote:
Are there any instances of Genestealer Cult infested planets having to openly defend them from threats? Let’s say a Chaos incursion threatens to destroy or render the planet unsuitable for later consumption, have Patriarchs ever openly sent their forces into battle to keep it safe, or otherwise allied with the planetary defence forces?

Similarly, is there any history of the sort of Hive skirmishes and secretive fights between rival Chaos cults and Genestealer cults? I just like the idea that Chaos cults and clandestine sabatoge efforts by the enemies of the Imperium are stymied just as often by Genestealers as anything else, just due to their parasitic nature forcing them to be entwined in the Imperium’s success, at least until their Tyranid masters come.


Yeah, in the Genestealer Cult Codex of 7th edition they answer this question, and the answer is yes. They don't do it as "Genestealers", obviously, unless they are REALLY desesperated, but they will fight as militias or imperial forces agaisn't the threath.

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Way, waaaay back in RT/2nd edition there was this confusing time where Genestealer Cults were allied with Chaos, and servants of both the Hive Mind AND the Dark Gods...somehow.

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GW has since thankfully moved away from that direction.

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What was confusing about that? The 'stealer coven turns to Chaos in search of power, same as any ordinary human cults.

They didn't have anything to do with the Hive Mind, though - this was before genestealers were retconned into being Tyranid creatures. They had their own "Genestealer power" in the Warp instead.
   
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The confusion comes from GW keeping the whole "Chaos Genestealers" around for a while even when Genestealers had been retconned into being the Tyranid vanguard. I remember seeing all those "Khornate Genestealers" illustrations in my Codex Imperialis 2nd Edition and being pretty "???" about it. I think they didn't definitely dropped it until 3rd Edition.
   
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Genestealer cults defend the IoM all the time. The biggest GSC in the IOM even has several codexes - DA, BA, Codex Astartes, etc.
   
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While I'd say it's entirely plausible that they'd fight Chaos - I don't know if actually defending the full planet from Chaos would be viable.

Genestealer cults more or less introduce a slow burn sabotage and are simply waiting on the hive fleet. While this is powerful, it's not as if they control the entire PDF or planetary force by the time the Tyranids arrive. They control key figures, sew deceit, deception and basically run amok to undermine the ability of the planet to resist the Tyranids.

A full-on Chaos invasion would be beyond the scope of the average Genestealer cult - at least in my opinion. It would, in spots, be a nasty surprise for the Chaos fellas attacking, but as a legitimate defensive force against a massed invasion, I don't think it's all that.
   
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A really big spoiler for Ghost Warrior below:

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A Genestealer Cult Craftworld coming back from a trip outside the galaxy appears in Ghost Warrior and has been regularly fighting off Chaos incursions the whole time.

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OOoh, I haven't been that excited about GW fluff in a long time!

Is that really cannon?

In spoiler tags, which one?
   
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OOoh, I haven't been that excited about GW fluff in a long time!

Is that really cannon?

In spoiler tags, which one?


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Not a known one, just one they made for the novel called Ziasuthra.

It was still really cool, though. And creepy. Very, very creepy.
   
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I may have to read that.

I hope (but doubt) it's still out there. And plays more of a role.
   
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 Esmer wrote:
The confusion comes from GW keeping the whole "Chaos Genestealers" around for a while even when Genestealers had been retconned into being the Tyranid vanguard. I remember seeing all those "Khornate Genestealers" illustrations in my Codex Imperialis 2nd Edition and being pretty "???" about it. I think they didn't definitely dropped it until 3rd Edition.

In the Death Guard Codex (I think) some Genestealers end up being corrupted by Nurgle. Not sure if it's still possible for it to be willingly (I don't see why not since the cult supposedly doesn't know about the Hive Fleets and their purpose) but that's fairly recent stuff for Chaos Genestealers.
   
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There is a bit of a contradiction in that in the newer fluff Tyranids hive mind is supposed to throw a shadow in to the warp and even close minor warp rifts by the presence of a hive fleet, essentially smothering the warp storm; however in the old fluff Genestealer cult primarchs are supposed to be powerful psykers and vulnerable to possession by demons. The contradiction also exists in that in the old fluff the Primarch co-ordinated and controlled his children with psychic power like any warp user but in the newer fluff the hive mind is a telepathic field unique and separate from the energy of the Warp (for reference Tyranid FTL is based on manipulating gravity to warp space in a corridor between it and a target star allowing travel in a manner akin to the warp bubbles of Star Trek).

Similar contradiction exists in the Ork Weirdboyz, originally the Big Green was a gestalt psychic field separate from the Warp and the Orks had no presence in the warp and so were immune to chaos influence and possession but recently theres been stories where some very powerful Weirdboyz have been possessed by demons and become known as Warpheads.

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 Esmer wrote:
The confusion comes from GW keeping the whole "Chaos Genestealers" around for a while even when Genestealers had been retconned into being the Tyranid vanguard. I remember seeing all those "Khornate Genestealers" illustrations in my Codex Imperialis 2nd Edition and being pretty "???" about it. I think they didn't definitely dropped it until 3rd Edition.


It was definitely gone by the 2nd edition Codex Tyranids. In fact, by the time Advanced Space Crusade came out, a year or so after the Genestealer Cult and Invasion Force army lists were published, 'stealers had been retconned into the Hive Fleets, and they were trying to sweep the Chaos angle under the carpet.

Orks were always vulnerable to daemonic possession - just much less so than humans, because the Ork psyche just didn't put up with that sort of nonsense. Other Orks were also much less likely to put up with their mucking about, so caults didn't really get going (other than Khornate Stormboyz, which seemed to be a fairly strong subculture. Even there, they were sort of looked down on as Orks that hadn't grown up and got a proper job - the green equivalent of that 35-year-old guy still living with his mum).

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Seems to me there's a story in the current chaos coded about chaos cults infiltrating a hive world and coming into conflict withe genestealer cults. Don't have it with me to check.

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