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Evening folks,

I have a World Eaters Battalion detachment and a Chaos Daemons Supreme Command detachment in a 2000 point army.

Regarding daemonic ritual, can one of the characters from the World Eaters detachment use this ability to summon a unit from the Supreme Command detachment? I have a unit of Bloodcrushers there that might beneft from being summoned, rather than footslogging across the board.

I also have a Winged Daemon Prince in there that could do some damage coming in via daemonic ritual, with a decent chance on 3D6, using a command point re-roll if necessary.

Hopefully someone on here can clear this up.

Thanks in advance,

A.

 amimmortal wrote:
Evening folks,

I have a World Eaters Battalion detachment and a Chaos Daemons Supreme Command detachment in a 2000 point army.

Regarding daemonic ritual, can one of the characters from the World Eaters detachment use this ability to summon a unit from the Supreme Command detachment? I have a unit of Bloodcrushers there that might beneft from being summoned, rather than footslogging across the board.

I also have a Winged Daemon Prince in there that could do some damage coming in via daemonic ritual, with a decent chance on 3D6, using a command point re-roll if necessary.

Hopefully someone on here can clear this up.

Thanks in advance,

A.

You've gotten summoning completely wrong. You don't put things in a detachment and summon them, you leave points in reserve and can summon anything with those points. But a KHORNE CHARACTER can only summon KHORNE Daemons.

For example, if you leave 200 points in reserve, you can summon 200 points of daemons, but they can be anything you can legally summon, you don't declare it before the game. You also risk losing those points entirely if your summoners are killed before they can summon.

Hi,

I don't want to leave them as reinforcement points - I want to use them as a detachment for the extra command point.

The question is, if they have been included in a detachment, rather than kept aside as reinforcement points, can they be summoned?

I can't see why not, but want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Cheers,

A.

Summoned units don't fill slots in a detachment.

 amimmortal wrote:
Hi,

I don't want to leave them as reinforcement points - I want to use them as a detachment for the extra command point.

The question is, if they have been included in a detachment, rather than kept aside as reinforcement points, can they be summoned?

I can't see why not, but want to make sure I'm not missing something.

Cheers,

A.

Because they are not able to be summoned. You cannot summon a unit you have paid points for and put in a detachment, you can ONLY summon using reinforcement points.

Like I said, you've got summoning backwards. If you include them in a detachment you're not able to summon them. You need to decide which is more important, being summonable or the CP.

Can you point to where it explicitly says daemons from detachments can't be summoned?

The units in the detachment have the daemonic ritual rule, as do the characters in the WE detachment.

Cheers,

A.

 amimmortal wrote:
Can you point to where it explicitly says daemons from detachments can't be summoned?

The units in the detachment have the daemonic ritual rule, as do the characters in the WE detachment.

Cheers,

A.

Can you point to where it explicitly says I can't kick a doberman puppy to auto pass morale checks?

You have to show me where it says they can.

Seriously, read the rules for summoning. I've explained it twice, if you refuse to listen that's on you, and you'll have an opponent get annoyed with you when you try to pull an illegal move.

 amimmortal wrote:
Can you point to where it explicitly says daemons from detachments can't be summoned?

The units in the detachment have the daemonic ritual rule, as do the characters in the WE detachment.

Cheers,

A.

Can you find something saying that they can? Can you find something in the Daemonic Ritual rule supporting any of your arguments?

Hey look. Another person who uses 'but I need RUUUUULES'

Well here you go.
Reinforcement Points. Page 214 in Da Rule Book.

"Each time a unit is added to an army during battle"

Not going to quote the entire thing, as this is the only part that is necessary.

When you are making an Army, you use Detachments and add up points to determine what your army consists of.
Which means, if you put something in a detachment, you are saying 'This is part of my Army for this battle.'
Therefore, you cannot summon them, as you are not adding them to the army during the battle.

Here's the real answer:

1. You must deploy all units in your army unless a scenario rule or a unit rule allows/requires otherwise.

2. Your daemons in your Detachment do not possess a rule allowing them to be placed in "reserves".

3. You daemons must be place during deployment.

QED

Thanks for the clarification folks, not entirely sure there was any need for the sardonic patter.

As a relative newcomer to daemons, and (like most people) a newcomer to 8th edition (because my 30 years of playing 40k counts for diddly squat in that context) I thought it was a fair question.

Lesson learned though...

It is a fair question. What isn't fair is ignoring multiple times when someone provides you with an answer because you don't like it.