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Indiana

Hey all, I have a 2k winter league coming up the weekend after Chapter Approved drops, and I'd like some insight on my planned list. I'm getting 3 broods of 3 Hive Guard around Christmas this year, but our lists are locked for the league once the season starts, so I have to exclude them from my list.

Here's what I have so far for Hive Fleet Ziz:


++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Tyranids) [56 PL, 1118pts] ++

Hive Fleet: Kronos

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [4 PL, 70pts]: Power: Psychic Scream, The Norn Crown

Tyranid Prime [6 PL, 112pts]: Adrenal Glands, Boneswords, Deathspitter, Toxin Sacs

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [12 PL, 252pts]
- Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots
- Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots

Carnifexes [12 PL, 252pts]
- Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots
- Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots

Exocrine [11 PL, 216pts]

Exocrine [11 PL, 216pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Tyranids) [48 PL, 882pts] ++

Hive Fleet: Kronos

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 204pts]: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Psychic Scream, Toxin Sacs, Warlord Trait: Soul Hunger, Wings (WARLORD)

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 204pts]: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, Toxin Sacs, Wings

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 204pts]: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, Toxin Sacs, Wings

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 90pts]
- Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
- Tyranid Warrior: Scything Talons, Venom Cannon
- Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 90pts]
- Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
- Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
- Tyranid Warrior: Scything Talons, Venom Cannon

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 90pts]
- Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
- Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons
- Tyranid Warrior: Scything Talons, Venom Cannon

++ Total: [104 PL, 2000pts] ++


I REALLY wish I had my hive guard for the league. The double-tap stratagem on them is absolutely golden. But I suppose 7 Heavy Venom Cannons is still pretty cool

I had one game already against salamanders with a prototyoe of this list, and the HVC pulled a ton of damage through.

I like the HVC on the tyrants, but ive been told that Devourers are better? At least they are a cheaper option.
   
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HVC are great if you can spam them. We don't have a cheap enough way to spam them however.


Just compare them to devestators with 3 lazcannons.

3 guarenteed shots at str9 -3 ap, d6 damage
1d3 shots at str9 -2 ap, 3 dmg

This is a fex vs a dev squad. Granted the comparison isnt perfectly exact, but its close.


Miasma cannon on a winged tyrant is excellent however. Great deterrant againgst characters charging him (like kharn or an opposing broodlord) since he can potentially one shot them with the auto hits.

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Indiana

Oh I know all about the charge deterrent in the Miasma Cannon. My last game against salamanders he dropped an ironclad dread next to my miasma cannon tyrant from a storm raven and charged. 3 auto hits, 3 wounds, 3 failed saves, dead dread. He conceded shortly thereafter.

I agree about the lascannons though. Our Lascannon equivalent comes with a 200 point monster tax, and still only hits on 4+.

I see HVC/Deathspitter Carnifex as our predator equivalent.

T7, 8 Wounds, 3+ save, shorter ranged guns, but all higher strength.

This list essentially has 3.5 autocannon predators that re roll 1's and can still fire on the move if need be.

What are your opinions on Devourers/deathspitters on the flyrants compared to HVC?
   
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Double Deathspitters is working nicely for my non-warlord tyrants. They make excellent harassment units, able to wound transports decently and giving good anti-psyche presence.

they don't even always class as a priority target as they are too tough for small arms fire and don't put out enough damage output to scare the big guns.

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Indiana

I figured that if I downgrade the HVC on the tyrants to double devourers, I can fit in boneswords and adrenal glands onto the warriors, and bone maxes on the carnifex if I take off the toxin sacs from the prime.

That way my units aren't useless in combat, and the tyrants can pull chaff cleaning duty as the fexes pop transports.

Quad devourers would be an even bigger investment to factor in, and would sweep even more hordes under the table, but leave the tyrsnts utterly defenseless in combat. I might be able to fit 2 tyrants with quad devourers, and leave the warlord with claws however. I suppose I will just need to play a couple test games to see how I like each.
   
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North Carolina

What would be the impact of dropping something in favor of a large group of hormies, or guants?


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With the synapse coverage, why did you go with the norm crown?

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Cheyenne WY

Looks interesting! If it was me I'd try to get more infantry, likely in the form of Rippers, and some "bubblewrap" Termagants. After a couple of test games you'll know what to switch up (if anything).

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Texas

Im not so set on all those Carnifexes. I think they are lascannon magnets.

I would drop one of the carnifex broods and see if you can get more bodies, your need some ability to screen/bubble wrap if you want. I think a 30x devilgaunt would be nice.

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Spore cyst would help the Fexes greatly to survive, losing one carnifex allows a lot, including Boneswords which are really worthwhile to the Warriors and reducing deployment count.

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Indiana

Thank you all for the advice! I've gotten a game and a half with some prototype lists in with quad devourers instead of cannons, and I really miss the HVC and melee potential of my tyrants. However, I agree entirely with the need for a few more bodies and especially a couple of deepstriking objective secured ripper swarms.

So i did some fooling around, and I found out that by dropping the Neurothrope (thank you tarval for noticing the obviousness of the massive synapse web) and the third hive tyrant, I am able to add in my extra bodies, make the list perfectly symmetrical (YEAH!) AND give myself a massive 9 CP to chew through. So here we are, I think this will be my final version unless I can find some hive guard around town this week.

2,000 Pts 9 CP Hive Fleet Ziz

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Tyranids) [52 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Hive Fleet: Kronos

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 199pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Psychic Scream, The Miasma Cannon, Toxin Sacs, Warlord Trait: Soul Hunger, Wings

Tyranid Prime [6 PL, 108pts]: Adrenal Glands, Boneswords, Deathspitter

+ Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 96pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 96pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [12 PL, 252pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots

Exocrine [11 PL, 216pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Tyranids) [52 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 199pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Psychic Scream, Toxin Sacs, Wings

Tyranid Prime [6 PL, 108pts]: Adrenal Glands, Boneswords, Deathspitter

+ Troops +

Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 33pts]: 3x Ripper Swarm

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 96pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 96pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [12 PL, 252pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Deathspitters with Slimer Maggots

Exocrine [11 PL, 216pts]

++ Total: [104 PL, 2000pts] ++

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