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So, Tau will take on humans to dwell in their Empire.

What about Eldar, though? Do they have some use for monkies Mon-keigh in their on-goings? I know they interacted with the Interex for a bit, but that was a separate entity, not like an adopted force.

I suspect we're too Chaos-prone for them, but I figure someone here would know.

M.

Dark Eldar use humans(among other species) for the raw material to make grotesques, which they could send back to fight against other humans.

That's about as close as it gets in terms of documented occurrences, but the galaxy is a big place...

Yeah I don't know of any actual humans living with or under eldar anywhere outside of the Dark City (where most of their regular industry is captured slave-labour).

Might be some older fluff of limited veracity about exodites working together with humans, but if there is I've expunged it from my mind as it's all a bit too soppy for my interpretation of 40k. As far as I see it, the Tau view other species as inferior to the Tau but still as other nearly-equal beings. The eldar view other species as barely thinking animals*. Far too much contempt (and not to mention risk) in allowing them anywhere near eldar populations.

*Hah, that's just conjured up the idea of some bonkers eldar outcast who's got a massive 'collection' of humans in a sort of 'crazy cat lady' type deal. Goes around dressing them up in eldar garb and giving them eldar names and all that stuff that makes you worry slightly for their sanity

I mean. They even let them eat at the table with them! Where their food is and everything. Disgusting!

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Yeah I don't know of any actual humans living with or under eldar anywhere outside of the Dark City (where most of their regular industry is captured slave-labour).

Might be some older fluff of limited veracity about exodites working together with humans, but if there is I've expunged it from my mind as it's all a bit too soppy for my interpretation of 40k. As far as I see it, the Tau view other species as inferior to the Tau but still as other nearly-equal beings. The eldar view other species as barely thinking animals*. Far too much contempt (and not to mention risk) in allowing them anywhere near eldar populations.

*Hah, that's just conjured up the idea of some bonkers eldar outcast who's got a massive 'collection' of humans in a sort of 'crazy cat lady' type deal. Goes around dressing them up in eldar garb and giving them eldar names and all that stuff that makes you worry slightly for their sanity

I mean. They even let them eat at the table with them! Where their food is and everything. Disgusting!

Yeah, Plus they advanced tech, they grow there own ships, weapons and such, Craft worlds will have self sustaining food supplies and systems.

There's no need for a second class of workers.

 Infantryman wrote:
So, Tau will take on humans to dwell in their Empire.

What about Eldar, though? Do they have some use for monkies Mon-keigh in their on-goings? I know they interacted with the Interex for a bit, but that was a separate entity, not like an adopted force.

I suspect we're too Chaos-prone for them, but I figure someone here would know.

M.

The Dark Eldar see humans as food, the other Eldar see humans as almost literal vermin, the way we see rats or mice. They're not fans.

There are rare examples of humans being allowed in among the Eldar, but this is usually temporary and not on any sort of large scale. The only one I can recall who resided mostly permanently with the Eldar is Carnelian the Harlequin man from the Inquisition War trilogy, but that's also from 1990, Rogue Trader era.

(guy in the back on the left)

While they'll often interact with humans, it would take a hell of a reason to adopt or permit extended stays. The average human (medium to low IQ) aged 25-35 Terran normal years would be like a 4 year old to an average Eldar (mentality wise etc.)

I can see them having interest in Space Marines of a certain level, or high ranking long-lived Imperium psykers and Inquisitors etc...but normal bog-standard humans? Nothing is gained from having them around.

Eldar purge Humans from the Maiden and Exodite worlds they choose to inhabit.

The CWE don't have Empires in the traditional sense. They do have realms of influence, but they don't "conquer" those zones in the traditional sense.

CWE use humans all the time. They just don't have any reason to let the humans know they're being used. They don't need the labor or raw resources like DE or Tau. Without those needs or traditional expansionist holdings, there is no point.

As for training up and arming a lower lifeform? That's what the Incorruptable Empire is for. It's still small compared to the IoM, but is expanding solidly one sphere at a time. And no reason to provide them arms - they provided them ways to make their own.

I love the potential fluff above about the 'crazy-cat-lady' human-lover. But I don't see Gue'sava equivelents.

(Also, most humans couldn't operate the average CWE device - most of them are psionically activated. In some fluff, even their weapons.)

Also, I do think you could easily get away with a story-driven Eldar Corsair + Human Pirates cooperative kind of thing.

They can definitely co-operate but they almost certainly wouldn't be equals in it.

Humans are among the many species that live in Commorragh, mostly as slave but undoubtedly there is some living in freedom as well. Human traders and mercenaries and such could probably find a place there (if they are cunning and clever enough to survive). In the fluff, the Dark Eldar are definitely not above employing alien mercenaries. Why wouldn't they employ a group of Human mercenaries?

Craftworld Eldar simply see Humans the way we see chimpanzees, so no.

Dark Eldar use a lot of races as mercenaries, slaves, and fodder for the arenas. Humans could fall into any of those categories, although they would never be accepted into the society.

Look up Zephro Carnelian.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Yeah I don't know of any actual humans living with or under eldar anywhere outside of the Dark City (where most of their regular industry is captured slave-labour).

Might be some older fluff of limited veracity about exodites working together with humans, but if there is I've expunged it from my mind as it's all a bit too soppy for my interpretation of 40k. As far as I see it, the Tau view other species as inferior to the Tau but still as other nearly-equal beings. The eldar view other species as barely thinking animals*. Far too much contempt (and not to mention risk) in allowing them anywhere near eldar populations.

*Hah, that's just conjured up the idea of some bonkers eldar outcast who's got a massive 'collection' of humans in a sort of 'crazy cat lady' type deal. Goes around dressing them up in eldar garb and giving them eldar names and all that stuff that makes you worry slightly for their sanity

I mean. They even let them eat at the table with them! Where their food is and everything. Disgusting!

It;s my understanding that the Dark Eldar will use mercenaries from other species, including Humans. The rationale is that hired guns from other species are more trustworthy than other Dark Eldar, since their "kin" have a bad habit of stabbing them in the back.


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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Yeah I don't know of any actual humans living with or under eldar anywhere outside of the Dark City (where most of their regular industry is captured slave-labour).

Might be some older fluff of limited veracity about exodites working together with humans, but if there is I've expunged it from my mind as it's all a bit too soppy for my interpretation of 40k. As far as I see it, the Tau view other species as inferior to the Tau but still as other nearly-equal beings. The eldar view other species as barely thinking animals*. Far too much contempt (and not to mention risk) in allowing them anywhere near eldar populations.

*Hah, that's just conjured up the idea of some bonkers eldar outcast who's got a massive 'collection' of humans in a sort of 'crazy cat lady' type deal. Goes around dressing them up in eldar garb and giving them eldar names and all that stuff that makes you worry slightly for their sanity

I mean. They even let them eat at the table with them! Where their food is and everything. Disgusting!

The Exodites have always been hostile to Humans treading on their worlds. Or anybody else, for that matter.

In the last days of the Empire, when the core worlds became corrupt and insular, the Craftworlds interacted with Human worlds, both before and after the collapse of the Human federation. Trading and offering guidance.

Most of the racist attitudes toward Humans is mostly a post-Corruption and post-Fall thing, a product of Eldar bitterness of their decline and drive to survive at the expense of others. Not a knock against the Eldar, since Humans haven't been any better. But the idea that the Eldar were always a bunch of arrogant, haughty pricks is an unfair analysis, that's not entirely supported by lore. And no, it's not a "soppy interpretation", since the pre-Fall era (for both species) tended to be better times in the galaxy.

In the end, all Eldar view themselves as the only real people. All other races are treated like animals. Maybe amusing or useful animals, but still not as people deserving of the same level of respect or attention. Eldar who for whatever reason are sympathetic to other races could be viewed as animal lovers or activists. Chimpanzees are to humans how humans seem to Eldar.

Part of the reason for their views aside from that of culture, is the biological difference between them and others. They move faster, think faster, and have greater memories than humans (as per Path of the Eldar, they have almost eidetic memories). They live much longer and all have psychic potential (the Dark Eldar have theirs blunted and undeveloped but it is still there as per Valedor). So to their eyes, non-Eldar are short-lived, slow, clumsy and slow-witted. It's hard to strike up a relationship as equals with a human, if that human will grow old, become senile and demented, and die in a tenth or less of your own natural lifespan. Turn around, do your Path thing for a few decades, and come back to find the human already dead. Yes life extension treatments are possible in the Imperium for humans but this is for the elite and powerful, and even then they still age or look "plastic"/unnatural (like Inquisitor Kryptman), while an Eldar can live for a thousand years naturally with little to no deterioration from aging. A single Eldar can live through many generations of humans, so their ability to really form any kind of emotional bond or friendship (as equals) with a human may be limited by the differences in viewpoint due to their lifespan. Imagine trying to form a long term relationship with a pet rat. The latest Craftworlds Codex says maturation for an Eldar takes "nearly a century", so an average unaugmented human would die of old age before an Eldar has made it through adolescence.

The Eldar language is described as being very complex with many historical or mythical references, but this is manageable for Eldar because of their memories. Imagine trying to teach anything beyond the very basics to a human who does not have eidetic memory to remember all the references and with a human's short lifespan. While in stories or RPG it is possible to learn the Eldar language, I see it as being the equivalent of being able to grunt out the basics. Functional, but to a native Eldar speaker, it sounds clumsy, with grammatical errors, lacking in any grace or eloquence or with stylistically incorrect choices of words or addressing (3rd ed. Codex says using informal names in formal settings can offend as can using excessive formality in informal situations). At best I see it like young children learning how to speak, with errors all over the place, and perhaps this "baby talk" might also explain why the Eldar might view them patronizingly.

So the most I can see is an Eldar having several generations of human "pets", and this Eldar would probably be viewed as an very eccentric extreme animal activist. They may love these pets as a pet lover might, but only the most utterly extreme would try to take the stance of them having fully equal rights to a person (i.e. other Eldar). So even genuinely benevolent Eldar would probably still be of the paternalistic "Let us look after you since we know best."

 oldravenman3025 wrote:


Most of the racist attitudes toward Humans is mostly a post-Corruption and post-Fall thing, a product of Eldar bitterness of their decline and drive to survive at the expense of others. Not a knock against the Eldar, since Humans haven't been any better. But the idea that the Eldar were always a bunch of arrogant, haughty pricks is an unfair analysis, that's not entirely supported by lore. And no, it's not a "soppy interpretation", since the pre-Fall era (for both species) tended to be better times in the galaxy.

We can conclude as much by the very fact that human galaxy-wide colonization existed before the Fall. Had the Eldar, undisputed masters of the galaxy back then, been as aggressively racist towards mankind as they are now, they would have simply wiped the humans out. During the millenia of the Age of Strife it would have been child's play for them.

Of course, why they couldn't find the time in the 60 million years or so since the war between Necrons and Old Ones to neutralize the Necron tomb worlds - which unlike humanity they did consider a major threat - is a different mystery.

 Esmer wrote:

Of course, why they couldn't find the time in the 60 million years or so since the war between Necrons and Old Ones to neutralize the Necron tomb worlds - which unlike humanity they did consider a major threat - is a different mystery.

Actually it seems the Necrons weren't considered a major threat, since it seems only Alaitoc (and now more recently in the latest Codex, Saim-hann) cared about them. It mentions how the old Eldar Empire won short-lived wars against upstart petty empires of other races including Necron dynasties that presumably woke up before everyone else. The Codex says how the ease of these victories further fed the Eldar belief in their own superiority. The Eldar probably grew complacent thinking they would keep winning against any future Necrons that woke up, and until they did, why go poke and wake up a sleeping bear? I think they must have thought it better to spend resources on other projects (such as Maiden worlds and Webway gates) than provoke an unnecessary war.

After a long enough period of time, the Necrons would have receded to the status of myth or at best, "nearly extinct rare dangerous animal hiding away in a cave in the wilderness that we could easily put down if one woke up and went on a rampage".

They prefered to spend their efforts on hedonism... hence Slanesh.

The Eldar inherited "ownership" of the galaxy after the War in Heaven (Old Ones and C'tan defeated, Necrons retreated to their tomb worlds desepite winning). Eldar would keep the "sea slime" - non-Eldar primitive races that tried to ascend - in check.

It's not clear why Eldar didn't fight Humanity. Probably didn't see them as a threat.

The "arrogant" Eldar are much more easily understood once you realize that they don't think other people don't matter. What they think is other races aren't *people*.

 Esmer wrote:

 oldravenman3025 wrote:


Most of the racist attitudes toward Humans is mostly a post-Corruption and post-Fall thing, a product of Eldar bitterness of their decline and drive to survive at the expense of others. Not a knock against the Eldar, since Humans haven't been any better. But the idea that the Eldar were always a bunch of arrogant, haughty pricks is an unfair analysis, that's not entirely supported by lore. And no, it's not a "soppy interpretation", since the pre-Fall era (for both species) tended to be better times in the galaxy.

We can conclude as much by the very fact that human galaxy-wide colonization existed before the Fall. Had the Eldar, undisputed masters of the galaxy back then, been as aggressively racist towards mankind as they are now, they would have simply wiped the humans out. During the millenia of the Age of Strife it would have been child's play for them.

Of course, why they couldn't find the time in the 60 million years or so since the war between Necrons and Old Ones to neutralize the Necron tomb worlds - which unlike humanity they did consider a major threat - is a different mystery.

Especially during the Age of Strife. Mankind wasn't in any condition to fight back effectively. But by this time, the Empire had fallen into complete decadence (although the Craftworlds probably could've done some serious damage if they wanted to). Dark Age Humanity operated on enough of a level playing field that it would not have been worth it to the Eldar, and the SPHESS ELFZ probably had non-aggression pacts with Humanity anyway (like other alien races did). Co-existence was better for all involved.


The War in Heaven by this time was steeped in myth and legend. The Necrons, except to a few sages of ancient knowledge, were (in all likelyhood) dismissed as old fables by the rank and file Eldar.




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Iracundus wrote:

 Esmer wrote:

Of course, why they couldn't find the time in the 60 million years or so since the war between Necrons and Old Ones to neutralize the Necron tomb worlds - which unlike humanity they did consider a major threat - is a different mystery.

Actually it seems the Necrons weren't considered a major threat, since it seems only Alaitoc (and now more recently in the latest Codex, Saim-hann) cared about them. It mentions how the old Eldar Empire won short-lived wars against upstart petty empires of other races including Necron dynasties that presumably woke up before everyone else. The Codex says how the ease of these victories further fed the Eldar belief in their own superiority. The Eldar probably grew complacent thinking they would keep winning against any future Necrons that woke up, and until they did, why go poke and wake up a sleeping bear? I think they must have thought it better to spend resources on other projects (such as Maiden worlds and Webway gates) than provoke an unnecessary war.

After a long enough period of time, the Necrons would have receded to the status of myth or at best, "nearly extinct rare dangerous animal hiding away in a cave in the wilderness that we could easily put down if one woke up and went on a rampage".

Amusing, considering that the Old Ones and their psychic cannon fodder were getting their asses kicked by the C'tan/Necron armies. The only thing that saved the Eldar and Krork was the the fact that the C'tan betrayed one another and the Silent King rebelled and shattered most of them into shards. This just further reinforces the notion that Shadowseer Lhaerial's haughty little speech was just a lot of typical Eldar hot air.

The old Necron codex had the Necrons and C'tan sent reeling by the Old Ones' creations and their warp powers, then going to sleep to evade the Enslaver plague. The new Necron Codex has them going to sleep because they were exhausted after shattering the C'tan and not able or willing to fight against the ascendant Eldar.

Just because the dominant power does not go on a galaxy wide genocidal campaign does not mean they were not the most powerful empire around. Superpowers on modern Earth do not go around in pointless genocidal wars to wipe out other nations "just because". I do not see the Eldar empire acting any differently. Wars would have been fought to keep it at the top of pecking order, but beyond that the Eldar occupied themselves with other domestic matters. Initially these were constructive such as seeding Maiden worlds.

Except that the Eldar empire fell due to a *lack* of external threats.

Bharring wrote:
Except that the Eldar empire fell due to a *lack* of external threats.

Lack of external threats does not mean the galaxy had to be genocided. The whole theme of the Eldar Fall is like the story of Atlantis or Star Wars' Old Republic, a power grown so mighty and secure from external threats that they succumb to hubris and rot from within. I view the old Eldar empire like the Vorlons from Babylon 5. They kept to the worlds they had designated as theirs, and other races learned to stay clear as any trespassing was met with overwhelming force.

Even though there may have been Necrons still slumbering, the pre-Fall Eldar Empire was under no serious threat from them, given how quickly apparently individual waking Necron dynasties were defeated. With the change from old to new Necrons, the Necrons have become more fractured of a faction. If the Eldar empire had not fallen, it is possible that even "now" with Necrons waking up all over, they would not pose a threat as a unified Eldar empire could pick off individual dynasties.

Iracundus wrote:
The old Necron codex had the Necrons and C'tan sent reeling by the Old Ones' creations and their warp powers, then going to sleep to evade the Enslaver plague. The new Necron Codex has them going to sleep because they were exhausted after shattering the C'tan and not able or willing to fight against the ascendant Eldar.

Just because the dominant power does not go on a galaxy wide genocidal campaign does not mean they were not the most powerful empire around. Superpowers on modern Earth do not go around in pointless genocidal wars to wipe out other nations "just because". I do not see the Eldar empire acting any differently. Wars would have been fought to keep it at the top of pecking order, but beyond that the Eldar occupied themselves with other domestic matters. Initially these were constructive such as seeding Maiden worlds.

The Eldar being freed from the Old Ones oversight, and allowed to go their own way, wasn't the only reason the Necrons went into grizzly bear winter mode. The galaxy had been scoured of intelligent life, life that would have been key to undo bio-transferance and allow the Necrontyr to become organic again. The hibernation was ordered by the Silent King to give the galaxy time to heal and new intelligent life to evolve before he exiled himself from the galaxy. The Necrons had no real interests in fighting the Old One's surviving minions, only to reverse a tragic mistake.

Damn I love discussions where people really get eldar

I do think that the Necrons were absolutely interested in wiping out the Old Ones' surviving minions, if only due to the bile amd hate towards them they display once woken. Perhaps they believed them defeated. Driven to the ends of the galaxy, never to rise again.

Necrons go to sleep, eldar and orks come out of hiding and inherit an empty galaxy, believing themselves victorious. Unsurprising that they don't go searching for Tomb Worlds. Especially if they have to rebuild their civilisation from scratch, it would be a long time before they had the capabilities to take on a Tomb World. Long enough for the knowledge of them to have passed into myth.

Absolutely with you Iracundus on the whole 'dominant power does not mean they genocide everyone else'. That seems to be a development since the Fall and the rise of the Imperium. Any of the Culture novels from Ian M Banks give a great portrayal of how civilisations can flourish in the same space at (sometimes vastly) different levels of capability.

Also, I wonder if relative insularity was a bit of a defining feature of the eldar throughout their history. If you thought you lived in a galaxy of chimps, you'd probably keep to yourself too. Plus, one of the fundamental drivers for eldar arrogance (the fact that they were created exactly the way they were, whereas other species stumbled upon their form haphazardly by chance) has been there from the start. That sort of psychology would probably feed into a sort of 'laissez faire' attitude towards the rest of the galaxy. Whatsmore, eldar absolutely appear to have an appreciation for the natural world. Perhaps they viewed the other species (sentient or not) as part of that wider galactic garden over which they tended. Funny animals to be appreciated for their struggles in the same way we find it fascinating when monkeys use tools.

From the first Necron Codex, from the POV of the Alaitoc Farseer Alladrios Kulcassian:

Long ago, before the Fall, the Mon-keigh were nothing. They were comical tree-beasts, part of the eco-system of their world, but with no greater role defined for them by the Old Ones. That was before the God War between the C'tan-led Necrons and the Old Ones, supported by their successor races, had almost consumed the galaxy. In the aftermath of the conflict many worlds were devastated and it took time to rebuild them. In this power vacuum, the lesser creations of the Old Ones, such as the Mon-keigh, developed in unforseeable ways. Raw, elemental evolution took a hold, turning these noisy but harmless beasts into the life form that now infested a million worlds. The Eldar had let them be, perhaps they were reluctant to harm what little life remained...

p. 9, first Necron Codex

The details there have not to my knowledge been directly retconned even with the new Necrons. So the basic situation still holds: a devastated galaxy, and the Eldar (and Orks) inheriting the aftermath. This would have been in the era before the Eldar became decadent, so reverence for the traditional Eldar gods and the ideals they represented such as Isha (nature and fertility) and Kurnous (untamed nature and wilderness) may have led the Eldar to let things be, though with the unspoken understanding of the Eldar being on the top of the food chain.

Makes a lot of sense important point about the eldar not being so caustically decafent at that point. People forget that the Fall and the decadence that preceded it, while a very long process taking place for over ten thousand years, was still only a short section of the eldar's 60-million year history.

Also...man the first Necron codex was a work of art.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Makes a lot of sense

Also...man the first Necron codex was a work of art.

Actually I disliked it because it shoehorned the Necrons into every mystery and conspiracy, and made them out to be Mary Sues, combining the advantages of toughness, numbers, anti-warp capabilities, fast space travel in durable ships, and with no weaknesses except supposedly to warp magics (which was never really reflected in rules). To top it off, the only thing even hinted at being able to stop the C'tan, the Blackstone Fortresses, were revealed to have been destroyed by the Deceiver, who was revealed to have orchestrated the Gothic War (hence undercutting and stealing the responsibility from Chaos and Abaddon).

Generally my stance is no faction should be portrayed as invincible, invulnerable, or its victory as assured. Secondly, I think factions should be portrayed as awesome in their own way without undercutting the limelight focus on other factions, at least not at the frequency the old Necrons were shown to be (the Dragon cult on Mars, orchestrating the Gothic War, Tyranids avoiding the Dyson Sphere, putting the fear of death into other races etc...). Sure they can win victories against other factions or be behind some of the mysteries of the universe, but don't make them out to be the ultimate cause for everything.

The Forgeworld release about the fall of the Orpheus Sector is even worse. The Orpheus sector gets gutted by the Necrons in 100 days. An Imperial campaign called the Orpheus Salvation campaign is launched but it fails since 7 years later, in 999.M41, the Orpheus sector is officially dissolved and the region re-classified again as wilderness space. Abaddon fights for literally decades in the Gothic sector for the sake of acquiring Blackstone Fortresses, yet the Necrons essentially tear through an equivalent amount of worlds in under a year, with the remaining time really just mop up. If one Necron dynasty can do that, it really starts to raise issues for why earlier active Necron dynasties haven't torn down the Imperium already if a dynasty can take out 60 worlds in 100 days.

In the Fall of Orpheus, a single Necron dynasty defeats one of the single largest Imperial fleets since the Heresy in a lopsided slaughter. The reinforced Imperial sector fleet was shown to comprise 7 battleships (including 1 Retribution and 1 Apocalypse class), "more than 60" cruisers and capital ships, "several hundred" escort class vessels, 4 Space Marine battle barges, and 8 Space Marine strike cruisers. In BFG rules, the Space Marine capital ships would be 2860 points already. Sixty cruisers assuming the standard Lunar class as a benchmark would yield an additional 10,800 points.

Facing them, the Necrons are described as fielding less than a quarter of the Imperial ship numbers. The breakdown was 2 Tombships, 20 harvest ships, and the rest escort class vessels, with some later confirmed to be Dirge class raiders. In BFG points, the capital ships alone would have been 6500 points.

Though the breakdown of Imperial losses was never completely given, the narrative showed that Imperial losses as at least 2 battleships, 1 battlecruiser, 1 heavy cruiser, 2 battle barges, 3 strike cruisers. In the end, less than 10% of the Imperial fleet was still fit for combat. Little detail was shown of Necron losses with the only definite details being 1 destroyed harvest ship and damage to 1 Tombship. The other Tombship was shown to remain operational at the end.

Iracundus wrote:

Actually I disliked it because it shoehorned the Necrons into every mystery and conspiracy, and made them out to be Mary Sues

*chokes on tea*

Not again....

Personally, I disliked the first Necron Dex for explicitedly tying the origin of the Eldar to the Necrons. The fact that Eldar have been around as a sentient, psionic and spacefaring species for 60 mio. years seems...I don't know, it simply seems WAY too long for them to be and look like they are now. Before the 3rd Edi Necrons release, the general impression was that the Eldar had had their galactic empire for hundreds of thousands of years before humanity reached for the stars...not tens of millions. You'd think they would have left the physical plane of existence behind them long, long ago at this point..I also think it kinda undermines the "mind-crushingly old species returning from the abyss of time" thing the Necrons have for them, when this other species that is almost just as old as them has been around this whole time.
I would have liked it better if the Eldar had emerged in the time period where Old Ones and Necrons were both already distant memories of the galaxy. It would also explain better why the Eldar didn't think to do something about all those dormant tomb worlds when their empire was at its peak.
The Newcron fluff retcons make the above part a bit more undestandable IMHO, because they changed the Eldar perception of the Necrons from "OMG these ancients horrors will kill us all if they return, let's pray they won't" to "decimated former top dogs of the galaxy WAY past their prime, used to be impressive but not so much now, hardly worth the effort".

When did the Newcrons start? My last interaction with their Codex was in 3e or 4e.

M.

 Infantryman wrote:
When did the Newcrons start? My last interaction with their Codex was in 3e or 4e.

Late 5th Edition.