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That was my fovorite points level for 7th. Games lasted the right amount of time for me. But now Most people in my group has adopted the 2000 point norm ( thanks to turnments I think) but the 1/2 a dozen or so games I have played since 8th just seem to drag out 2 1/2-3 hours. Now I know people love to bring their toys and higher points help with that but after about 2 hours of dice rolling I’m ready to be done so I’m thinking about going back to 1500 in my games.

Also I was led to believe that points went up and 1500point game now is more like 1250 by 7th standards. Well I just went back in battle scribe and copied a 1500 points list I just made for 8th into the 7th rules and the list came out to 1550pts in 7th. So the points didn’t change that much, at least not for my army (necrons)

So all that to say I fell like maybe I shouldn’t have followed the crowd and been so quick to leave 1500pts level. Going to try one this weekend see if the game goes at a better pace. Anyone else still play 1500?

I prefer 1500 tops. Most people in my area go 2k which i think as you poonted out, just goes for too long. Id rather get several smaller games done quickly than have one long big games that bores the crud outta me.

Yeah, I've played mostly at 1500 in my area. My army becomes increasingly less efficient as they points cost goes up, because I only have 1 Celestine and 1(+1) AoF, regardless of how large the game is, so at some point I'm just repeating the core element over and over again and adding on inefficiency due to detachment restrictions.

I only play at 1500.

My group plays almost always at 1000 points, but on a standard 6'x4' table. 1500 was nice but it took too long for us.

2000 is the new standard in my area. Too hard to have all the toys you want with lesser point values.

We played 2000 in 7th and continue to do so in 8th but I always was a fan of the larger games in all Wargames I've played.

At least Index moved points so that vehicle heavy armies went up, infantry based armies went down so if you played say chimera heavy IG you would pay lot more.

Codex has been shuffling points back down a lot though so not sure how much that applies(sneaky GW. At first make stuff more expensive, players increase standard size, GW drops prices but players don't update standard size again so have to buy more models to play).

I prefer 2000 since too many things in 8th edition became overcosted and all my armies don't have a codex yet

2000 points without single models that cost 300+ points is my favorite format.

Most people in my area want to do 2000, although I do prefer 1500, as it forces you to pick and choose your units with more discretion.

I prefer 1500pts.
I can't fit everything I want to at that point limit. But that's actually a good thing, because it means my lists can change a bit more between games.

Game nights in my local GW are restricted to 1000pts so that people can get in a number of quick games and not hog the tables, any time outside of that and you can book in to play larger games.

Something I noticed is that mathched play restirctions scale up really badly between armies. I prefer 1500 it restricts out a lot of bs and maes for easier to carry armies (speaking as the guy that's never the host, it's a big convenience).

At 2000 it's not that big of a problem yet tough and more a list building challenge butonce you reach 2500+ it can really be a problem/

Well game is designed as non scalable so no surprise. And matched rules are worthless past 2k.

In the past, 2k always seemed to be the standard, so that's what I'd write for.

tneva82 wrote:At least Index moved points so that vehicle heavy armies went up, infantry based armies went down so if you played say chimera heavy IG you would pay lot more.

Dang it.

M.

we typically play 2000 but you're right, the game is taking upwards of 2.5-3hrs. Time to tone it down to 1500pts and hopefully get done in 1.5-2. that's about the max amount of time I can retain interest in rolling dice.

I find at any comptetive level most game are over by turn 3-4 in 8th at 2k so time usually isn't a factor. 2k feels right in terms being able to bring enough to have strategy.

Of course, some people like more skirmish style which is not my cup of tea but I see the appeal and lower points likely would.

Plus, and an important point to remember, big scary things are bigger and scarier at lower point levels since players have less points to deal with them which lends itself to higher point play.

2k let you take something for everything.

I prefer smaller games, but everyone where I play wants to play 2k. Even for games with 3+ players.

It's a preference thing, but I feel lke there's more room on the board for position to matter with 1500 or 1250 lists.

1850 was a good game size in 7th. With the increase in vehicles pts and a decrease in infantry types my gaming group plays 2000 since most of us are seasoned at this point. I'll play small games with new players, but but most of us just assume 2000.

I prefer 2000 points mostly because I find that 2000 points moves about the same as a 6th edition 1500 point game, and at 2000 points there is enough points that you can take enough units for a take on all comers list that is effective against most things. 1500 point games do move really quick (especially if both sides are marines or equivalent) but I feel that it is more rock,paper,scissors because you might not have enough AT or horde control, etc. at 1500. Also as someone said before, the lower the points certain units like Magnus or super heavies tend to project more power as there are less counters to them, and in the case of named units, you can only have one, so they are better at lower points.


EDIT: 1500 points would be way more appealing if there was a rule that prevented spamming (like every unit other than troops are 0-2 or something) and bringing Lords of War at that level. I know that people can agree to that, but in my experience most people who have super heavies like to use them, and rightfully so. An official rule that set tiers would be helpful because 1500 points is a much faster game and in my opinion 1500 is too small for the Lords of War.

2000 point games go fast. Very fast. Usually you know who will win by turn 3, the rest is just ironing out the details. So outside of a tournament format you can pretty much call it by 3.

I prefer 1500 pts over 2000. Not being able to take everything I want encourages creativity.

Making difficult choices in regards to list building is a large part of what makes this game interesting. If I can simply throw everything on the table, there are no difficult choices - less critical thinking going on - hence more boring.

I actually favor 1000-1250 because my unit and equipment choices become way more meaningful, hence more interesting and engaging of my critical thinking and creativity. Never understood the appeal of apocalypse etc. If I want the visuals of a bazillion models on the table , lets build a diorama, but dont expect me to be interested and engaged for the 4+ hours (or more) it takes to complete one game. Bigger is not necessarily better.

 Marmatag wrote:
2000 point games go fast. Very fast. Usually you know who will win by turn 3, the rest is just ironing out the details. So outside of a tournament format you can pretty much call it by 3.

I wouldn’t call 3 hours very fast. And I’m not a fan of calling a game early unless it’s just a total landslide.
I get why people want to play higher points but me personal I just don’t have the attention span to enjoy a 3 hour game. I think there is probably a reason most movies are 1 1/2-2 hours long that’s probably the average persons attention span for entertainment. But that’s just me speculating.

Didn’t start the thread to argue 1500 points is better. Just wanted to ask if others are playing at 1500 still because most in my area have abandoned it.

This could just be my Lord of the Rings: SBG roots showing, but I actually quite like playing smaller games at 1,000 points. It forces you to really pick and choose which units you are going to field and it feels much more manageable.

That said, friendly 1,000 points, not "I'm-going-to-take-two-Baneblades-because-I-Can" 1,000 points.

I prefer 1500pts as well for Elite armies. Horde armies can have loads of fun at nearly any point level but I think Elite armies require 1k minimum to cover the basics and then grab a couple toys as well. I prefer the gritty side of 40k at the foot soldier's perspective and as such I have little interest in playing the types of games that start to emerge at 1500 and pile on the LOWs, Knights, and Titans as the points escalate. Unfortunately it seems the majority of players are buying into Primarchs and Knights and standard fare and even at 1500 I'm seeing Magnus, Mortarion, Guilleman and Knights with disturbing regularity unless I'm facing some kind of 'elite' detachment spam.

Recently, we played a local tourney at the 1500 pt level and it worked pretty well. Special characters and models with more than 16 wounds were not allowed.

I played a 1500 point torny with no special characters allowed. That actually worked very well, the only knight army that turned up was very fluffy and well done, and it was a relief to be in a Primarch free zone.

Alas, it was won by Smite Spam and IG No line of sight weapons, but you can't have it all. A fun experience for everyone.

There is a lot more you can fit into a 2000 point list though, I can make a good 1500 point list, but there's always something missing from the orginal concept because I just can't find the space for it. 2,000 points is enough for me to fit everything I want, but I find that's where the game system starts falling apart and first turn tends to become the win/lose part of the game.

Grimlineman wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
2000 point games go fast. Very fast. Usually you know who will win by turn 3, the rest is just ironing out the details. So outside of a tournament format you can pretty much call it by 3.

I wouldn’t call 3 hours very fast. And I’m not a fan of calling a game early unless it’s just a total landslide.
I get why people want to play higher points but me personal I just don’t have the attention span to enjoy a 3 hour game. I think there is probably a reason most movies are 1 1/2-2 hours long that’s probably the average persons attention span for entertainment. But that’s just me speculating.

Didn’t start the thread to argue 1500 points is better. Just wanted to ask if others are playing at 1500 still because most in my area have abandoned it.

If it takes you 3 hours to go through 3 turns there's something weird going on. Did 8th ed SLOW game down? You can get 6 turns of 7th ed with 1850 pts armies under 3h.

I prefer 2000 point games just because you can fit more in and get a more enjoyable game. But then I have the attention to enjoy a three hour game. Although I find that unless one player or another has a horde army games are a lot quicker than they used to be under previous editions.

I like 1500, it's more than 1000 but less than 2k where you see a lot of the abusive stuff start to show up. I'm honestly surprised you didn't see 2500 become the standard (it's the standard in 30k because it's basically a 2k point list and then your primarch or superheavy of choice)