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here is another question for you deathguard players out there, are you able to use chaos stratagems to say, give your blightcaller...that tank... the ability to reroll ALL hit and wounding rolls? how many cp does it cost? 1? 2? been playing against a player that is not using a csm detachment to even get access to using stratagems from the csm codex, need quotes, page references, even pm me pics of the pages so I can educate my buddy, help him learn

 WillyBRags wrote:
here is another question for you deathguard players out there, are you able to use chaos stratagems to say, give your blightcaller...that tank... the ability to reroll ALL hit and wounding rolls? how many cp does it cost? 1? 2? been playing against a player that is not using a csm detachment to even get access to using stratagems from the csm codex, need quotes, page references, even pm me pics of the pages so I can educate my buddy, help him learn

Read the codex for how much it costs.

If he's not using a pure detachment to get the stratagems then he is not following the rules. Tell him to follow the rules or you wont play him.

It seems to me you have a player problem, not a rules problem.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 WillyBRags wrote:
here is another question for you deathguard players out there, are you able to use chaos stratagems to say, give your blightcaller...that tank... the ability to reroll ALL hit and wounding rolls? how many cp does it cost? 1? 2? been playing against a player that is not using a csm detachment to even get access to using stratagems from the csm codex, need quotes, page references, even pm me pics of the pages so I can educate my buddy, help him learn

Read the codex for how much it costs.

If he's not using a pure detachment to get the stratagems then he is not following the rules. Tell him to follow the rules or you wont play him.

It seems to me you have a player problem, not a rules problem.

I see the cost now, so it specifically states in the csm dex that thousand sons and deathguard can't use stuff from the csm codex on page 156, or is that taking things out of context to using stratagems?

 WillyBRags wrote:
I see the cost now, so it specifically states in the csm dex that thousand sons and deathguard can't use stuff from the csm codex on page 156, or is that taking things out of context to using stratagems?

If you have a CSM detachment, you have access to the stratagems, and can use them on valid units regardless of what detachment or book they are from.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 WillyBRags wrote:
I see the cost now, so it specifically states in the csm dex that thousand sons and deathguard can't use stuff from the csm codex on page 156, or is that taking things out of context to using stratagems?

If you have a CSM detachment, you have access to the stratagems, and can use them on valid units regardless of what detachment or book they are from.

So he just needs an actual scm detachment to legalize everything then, alrighty, that helps

If the unit firing has the DAEMON VEHICLE keywords then it can be selected to use that stratagem.

Stratagem is only available to be used if there is a detachment from that faction present in the list.

Have a look at the Death Guard FAQ from GW, 2nd question under the FAQ header - explains it quite clearly there

 NurglesR0T wrote:
If the unit firing has the DAEMON VEHICLE keywords then it can be selected to use that stratagem.

Stratagem is only available to be used if there is a detachment from that faction present in the list.

Have a look at the Death Guard FAQ from GW, 2nd question under the FAQ header - explains it quite clearly there

that is very specific info, and really helpful, thank you so much for that

Using the Daemon Engine stratagem on a Plagueburst Crawler is actually illegal even if you have a CSM detachment to unlock CSM stratagems with; Daemon Engine specifically calls out "Chaos Space Marines", which is different from stratagems that call out <Heretic Astartes> because "Chaos Space Marines" is any legion except Death Guard or Thousand Sons.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
Using the Daemon Engine stratagem on a Plagueburst Crawler is actually illegal even if you have a CSM detachment to unlock CSM stratagems with; Daemon Engine specifically calls out "Chaos Space Marines", which is different from stratagems that call out <Heretic Astartes> because "Chaos Space Marines" is any legion except Death Guard or Thousand Sons.

very good eye

There is no Daemon Engine stratagem

If you mean Blasphemous Machines Deathguard have their own stratagem for that.

if you mean Daemonforge, which from the OP seems to be the one in discussion, that is CSM only.