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hello all. I've recently started an inquisition army converting every one of my minis. After speaking with a friend about options or what they could add to the inquisition I wondered if we'd ever see an update for them in the form of a codex/ some new plastics. Anyone have an idea/guess?

It seems unlikely. They have no troops choices, only exist in a book designed to allow you to field relic units, have a tiny model range, arn't terribly popular,
[If we get a Codex 'Random Inquisition dudes' before we get Codex Sisters of Battle, I'll eat my hat.] and we didn't get any CA updates at all.
Which either means we're coming out super soon... Or never.

Our only hope it that the mysterious popularity of 30k causes the Adeptus Custodes to do some sort of Talon of the Emprah book, and we get lumped in with them and the sisters of silence.

Wouldn't call it likely, but I'd appreciate an Inquisitor Lord that wasn't just a guardsman in Carapace.

I hope so.

I am also building an Inquisitorial Conclave, and it's fun and awesome and I, like you, enjoy that every model is different.

I hope we get an update dearly, as our points costs didn't even get adjusted for Chapter Approved. Guard pay 8ppm for a str 3 powerfist, we play 20. Sororitas pay 9ppm for Inferno Pistols on BS 3+, we pay 12. It's very annoying.

I believe they will indeed.

SoB (unless they get their own codex), Inq, SoS, Custodians and Assassins rolled into one codex.

Frankly, I would be amazed if they didn't.

I think they will - the inquistion is clearly one of the popular options and other agents models have received FAQ and codex support (Crusaders for example). I suspect it'll be one of the last or be rolled into the Sisters of Battle Codex.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
I think they will - the inquistion is clearly one of the popular options and other agents models have received FAQ and codex support (Crusaders for example). I suspect it'll be one of the last or be rolled into the Sisters of Battle Codex.

If memory serves me right, I think SoB are due their own codex but will form part of the Imperium Soup Party.

The safest bet right now is to go off of CA. Within CA several factions (Tau, Knights, Necrons, DE, Harlequins, SW, SoB, GSC, Orks, DW, and Thousand Sons IIRC) were given relics, warlord traits, and strategems to hold them over until their codices released. BA is already out, DA comes out this weekend, and we know Daemons are next on the list in January. It is safe to assume that the factions that got new stuff in CA are gonna be the main codex releases for the time being, and once they are all out GW will declare the first round of 8th codices complete. Is it possible that Inquisition or Imperial Agents will get a codex? Yes, it is possible. Is it likely to happen before all the factions listed above have their codices? Not at all, IMO. I wouldn't expect to see an Imperial Agents/Inquisition codex within the next year, that's for sure.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
The safest bet right now is to go off of CA. Within CA several factions (Tau, Knights, Necrons, DE, Harlequins, SW, SoB, GSC, Orks, DW, and Thousand Sons IIRC) were given relics, warlord traits, and strategems to hold them over until their codices released. BA is already out, DA comes out this weekend, and we know Daemons are next on the list in January. It is safe to assume that the factions that got new stuff in CA are gonna be the main codex releases for the time being, and once they are all out GW will declare the first round of 8th codices complete. Is it possible that Inquisition or Imperial Agents will get a codex? Yes, it is possible. Is it likely to happen before all the factions listed above have their codices? Not at all, IMO. I wouldn't expect to see an Imperial Agents/Inquisition codex within the next year, that's for sure.

I can see where you are going with this but I think those factions did not exactly get their warlord traits and relics because they lack a lot of the prerequisites of what you need for a "proper" faction, i.e. HQ and Troops. I think it is highly likely that those armies might see a massive rewrite and roll out which may be why they have been left out. For all we know that could even come in the next year considering the pace they have released them. I don't think they would sit on top of a publishing gold mine like the popular Agents book and not try to redo the formula. Everyone wants to give stuff like inquisitors a go but if you're like me they never seem to fit, despite my best efforts (and I have modelled a fair share of henchmen and such, I would kill for a proper kit!).

Likely if they are smart the Agents books would roll out with something like a generic 5 man henchmen box and a build your inquisitor box (or a few slick monopose inquisitors).

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 GI_Redshirt wrote:
The safest bet right now is to go off of CA. Within CA several factions (Tau, Knights, Necrons, DE, Harlequins, SW, SoB, GSC, Orks, DW, and Thousand Sons IIRC) were given relics, warlord traits, and strategems to hold them over until their codices released. BA is already out, DA comes out this weekend, and we know Daemons are next on the list in January. It is safe to assume that the factions that got new stuff in CA are gonna be the main codex releases for the time being, and once they are all out GW will declare the first round of 8th codices complete. Is it possible that Inquisition or Imperial Agents will get a codex? Yes, it is possible. Is it likely to happen before all the factions listed above have their codices? Not at all, IMO. I wouldn't expect to see an Imperial Agents/Inquisition codex within the next year, that's for sure.

I can see where you are going with this but I think those factions did not exactly get their warlord traits and relics because they lack a lot of the prerequisites of what you need for a "proper" faction, i.e. HQ and Troops. I think it is highly likely that those armies might see a massive rewrite and roll out which may be why they have been left out. For all we know that could even come in the next year considering the pace they have released them. I don't think they would sit on top of a publishing gold mine like the popular Agents book and not try to redo the formula. Everyone wants to give stuff like inquisitors a go but if you're like me they never seem to fit, despite my best efforts (and I have modelled a fair share of henchmen and such, I would kill for a proper kit!).

Likely if they are smart the Agents books would roll out with something like a generic 5 man henchmen box and a build your inquisitor box (or a few slick monopose inquisitors).

So, honest question here. Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I need to ask this. Is there really that big of a demand for an Agents codex? Is it really a "gold mine" as you put it? Is there this huge outcry for a proper Inquisition and Imperial Agents codex? I mean, its not like GW has never put out an Inquisition codex before, did those sell amazingly? If they're such a gold mine, why has GW put off redoing the army and releasing it? Does everyone want to give them a go? If they do, where are they? The options are there, there is nothing stopping players from throwing Inquisitors and Custodes and Assassins and whatnot into their armies (hell, thanks to the Imperium keyword this is actually the easiest edition to do this in!). So where are they? Where are all the army lists with Inquisition options or Agents options? Where are all the tactica discussions about how to use them? If there is such an outcry for these things, surely it would be evident on forums like dakka, no?

Aside from that, to address your other points, you hit the nail on the head, Inquisition and Agents are not a proper faction. They aren't a proper faction within the fluff nor on the tabletop. In the fluff Inquisitors (as far as I'm aware) typically don't roll around the galaxy with an entire army at their backs. They usually have a small group of henchmen they collect over the years, and when they need more firepower they simply requisition whatever forces they need from the surrounding systems for the job, then send the survivors on their merry way when the crisis is solved. That'll be pretty damn hard to accurately display on the tabletop without making a codex that includes literally every single unit with the Imperium keyword in it.

I always viewed CA as tyding over those who wouldn't get a codex soon i.e. if you get nothing significant you are going to have to wait less time.

Is that what you were saying?

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I always viewed CA as tyding over those who wouldn't get a codex soon i.e. if you get nothing significant you are going to have to wait less time.

Is that what you were saying?

GW explicitly said that DA, BA, and Daemons would not have any updates in CA due to them being the next three codices up for release in December and January. Any codex releasing after Daemons got some form of holdover in CA through relics, warlord traits, and strategems. If a faction was not specifically called out as not being in CA due to releasing soon, and did not get an update like that in CA, I wouldn't get my hopes up about getting a codex anytime soon.

 GI_Redshirt wrote:

So, honest question here. Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I need to ask this. Is there really that big of a demand for an Agents codex? Is it really a "gold mine" as you put it? Is there this huge outcry for a proper Inquisition and Imperial Agents codex? I mean, its not like GW has never put out an Inquisition codex before, did those sell amazingly? If they're such a gold mine, why has GW put off redoing the army and releasing it? Does everyone want to give them a go? If they do, where are they? The options are there, there is nothing stopping players from throwing Inquisitors and Custodes and Assassins and whatnot into their armies (hell, thanks to the Imperium keyword this is actually the easiest edition to do this in!). So where are they? Where are all the army lists with Inquisition options or Agents options? Where are all the tactica discussions about how to use them? If there is such an outcry for these things, surely it would be evident on forums like dakka, no?

Aside from that, to address your other points, you hit the nail on the head, Inquisition and Agents are not a proper faction. They aren't a proper faction within the fluff nor on the tabletop. In the fluff Inquisitors (as far as I'm aware) typically don't roll around the galaxy with an entire army at their backs. They usually have a small group of henchmen they collect over the years, and when they need more firepower they simply requisition whatever forces they need from the surrounding systems for the job, then send the survivors on their merry way when the crisis is solved. That'll be pretty damn hard to accurately display on the tabletop without making a codex that includes literally every single unit with the Imperium keyword in it.

I'm not sure if it would be a goldmine, but Inquisitors are a really iconic part of the 40K, and I'm sure conceptually many Imperium players like them. It is just that currently the rules and model support for them is, frankky, utter gak.

But you're right, they're not a proper faction in a sense that they need to work as an army on their own. But that's fine, they can be something that can be added to other Imperial armies, GW just needs to work out a proper way for them to work ruleswise.

GW just needs to work out a proper way for them to work ruleswise.

Easily done. They're beneath the scale 40k works on, and they'll get phased out.

From a manufacturing perspective, they're too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of (issues of manufacturing scale and sale quantities) so it isn't something they'll pursue. eventually they'll get phased out entirely, probably in CA 2018 or 2019, the indexes will be invalidated.

Voss wrote:

GW just needs to work out a proper way for them to work ruleswise.

Easily done. They're beneath the scale 40k works on, and they'll get phased out.

From a manufacturing perspective, they're too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of (issues of manufacturing scale and sale quantities) so it isn't something they'll pursue. eventually they'll get phased out entirely, probably in CA 2018 or 2019, the indexes will be invalidated.

With Necromunda back, I think that a random henchmen box would be a lot more viable.

I liked the concept of the Agents book. It was a place for all the random unit to have a spot. They might not have been big enough to warrant a full codex (although some did) but together they could justify a book. I’d much rather see something like it again, rather then one-unit codexes, or relying on tracking down an old WD for rules for something.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
[If we get a Codex 'Random Inquisition dudes' before we get Codex Sisters of Battle, I'll eat my hat.]

I strongly advise you to invest into a hat made of chocolate.

Codex: Sisters of Battle is due after Codex: Marines MK5 (Primaris are MK2), Codex: Ratling, and Codex: Malal Legion.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
[If we get a Codex 'Random Inquisition dudes' before we get Codex Sisters of Battle, I'll eat my hat.]

I strongly advise you to invest into a hat made of chocolate.

Codex: Sisters of Battle is due after Codex: Marines MK5 (Primaris are MK2), Codex: Ratling, and Codex: Malal Legion.

You forgot Codex: Gue'vesa

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
[If we get a Codex 'Random Inquisition dudes' before we get Codex Sisters of Battle, I'll eat my hat.]

I strongly advise you to invest into a hat made of chocolate.

Codex: Sisters of Battle is due after Codex: Marines MK5 (Primaris are MK2), Codex: Ratling, and Codex: Malal Legion.

You forgot Codex: Gue'vesa

And Codex Exodites.

Codex: Games Workshop Employees has been moved up in the schedule

Voss wrote:

GW just needs to work out a proper way for them to work ruleswise.

Easily done. They're beneath the scale 40k works on, and they'll get phased out.

From a manufacturing perspective, they're too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of (issues of manufacturing scale and sale quantities) so it isn't something they'll pursue. eventually they'll get phased out entirely, probably in CA 2018 or 2019, the indexes will be invalidated.

I dont think they'll be phased out just like sisters havent been. That would mean all the players that built an army around an inquisitor *cough* me *cough* would be sitting on mounds of useless converted minis.,

It would be even more awkward since they still sell Inquisitor Greyfax as part of the triumvirate...

Voss wrote:
Easily done. They're beneath the scale 40k works on, and they'll get phased out.

From a manufacturing perspective, they're too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of (issues of manufacturing scale and sale quantities) so it isn't something they'll pursue. eventually they'll get phased out entirely, probably in CA 2018 or 2019, the indexes will be invalidated.

I don't get what you mean by them being "beneath the scale". Do you mean smaller than Primaris Marines and Custodes? Isn't the whole idea that those guys are supposed to be larger than average humans, and now we've finally arrived at "true scale" marines? You do know SoB are supposed to be normal, unaltered humans?

I think there's a lot of market potential in alternative human armies, contrary to what some people seem to think. You will always find people who have a preference for playing humans, first and foremost, and to whom Space Marines are unappealing and IG feels too static and predictable. The popularity of Ad Mech should shows us there is such a market, and GW has also shown us they're willing to put out more "Imperial variety armies" with Custodes and what-not. Plus Inquisitors make perfect allies to Imperial Guard armies, so that alone will appeal to a large segment of the customer base.

Also " too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of". Really? More so than Scions or Sisters of Silence? If anything, it's the other way around, Scions are really way too ornate and gaudy to blend well with Cadian infantry.

There's money to be made in putting out an "Agents of the Imperium"-type book, so I see no reason why GW wouldn't do it, aside from the expectation that the book has to coincide with a new line of plastic SoB, something GW has proved themselves entirely capable of. They've already made plastic kits for stuff that's arguably more niche than SoB, such as Custodes and the new Necromunda sets.

Given that every edition since I started putting my Inquisition force together under a 3rd edition Codex has deleted Inquisitorial options? I'm skeptical. We've lost cost-effective infantry, power armour for everyone and power/carapace for acolytes, Stormtroopers, special characters, the ability to slot freely into almost every detachment, and a huge amount of equipment; on top of that we don't have any of the massive guns, massive units, and mass rerolls that make armies in 8th good.

I'm not expecting to see anything more than a token effort to keep the Inquisition alive. The basic customizability inherent in the concept of the Inquisition doesn't really mesh with how GW's been doing infantry kits recently (single pose, swapping a gun requires a complete arm swap), and the lack of cross-compatibility between guns from different kits that's slowly been making its way into the range (try to build a Sister of Silence armed with something other than a bolter or a flamer and you'll quite quickly find that the guns are far off-scale) has me worried that any Inquisitorial Stormtrooper/Henchmen kit would run into the same wall the Deathwatch has where you want to field two or three frag cannons a squad but they ship each kit with one so you end up with either way too many models or way too much money dumped into Ebaying parts. On top of that most of the things you found in Henchmen warbands have had the models carved off and stuck into other armies as independent entities (Crusaders, DCA, Psykers).

I'd like to see both carapace/flak and power-armoured infantry, cuts made at the wrist (as in plastic Marines) or at the joint of the hand to the gun (as in Forge World Marines) rather than weapons mounted to non-interchangeable arms to allow for a wider variety of equipment, things like Joakero and Daemonhosts distributed in three-model or five-model boxes with poses/options the way the Thousand Sons Exalted Sorcerers were rather than as individual single-pose blisters that there's only one of for each unit, smaller/more understated Inquisitors (either as upgrade parts in the Henchmen kits or as blisters designed to swap parts easily with the Henchmen kits), and more unique kit depending on Ordo, but most of that is a pipe dream.

What we're likely to get when GW remembers the Inquisition exists is one half-assed infantry kit with somewhere between a third and a quarter of the parts we'd want, one plastic blister for Inquisitors of each Ordo with fixed loadouts that become the only loadouts allowed in the rules, and no Codex in 9th edition because nobody bought the 8th edition models.

Though given the degree to which I've been pleasantly surprised by 8th my doom-and-gloom predictions may be wrong. We shall see.


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 Zingraff wrote:
...Also " too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of". Really? More so than Scions or Sisters of Silence? If anything, it's the other way around, Scions are really way too ornate and gaudy to blend well with Cadian infantry...

...I'd be more comfortable with that comparison if the Sisters of Silence models we had didn't neglect the vast majority of the stuff Forge World has written rules for and come as a limited arrangement of single-pose models with no customizability at all.

As long as they make and want to continue selling Inquisition, Sisters of Silence, Adeptus Custodes, and Assassins I say it's a safe bet.

Even if they don't make any new models, it's a $40 book they'll profit from.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Given that every edition since I started putting my Inquisition force together under a 3rd edition Codex has deleted Inquisitorial options? I'm skeptical. We've lost cost-effective infantry, power armour for everyone and power/carapace for acolytes, Stormtroopers, special characters, the ability to slot freely into almost every detachment, and a huge amount of equipment; on top of that we don't have any of the massive guns, massive units, and mass rerolls that make armies in 8th good.

I'm not expecting to see anything more than a token effort to keep the Inquisition alive. The basic customizability inherent in the concept of the Inquisition doesn't really mesh with how GW's been doing infantry kits recently (single pose, swapping a gun requires a complete arm swap), and the lack of cross-compatibility between guns from different kits that's slowly been making its way into the range (try to build a Sister of Silence armed with something other than a bolter or a flamer and you'll quite quickly find that the guns are far off-scale) has me worried that any Inquisitorial Stormtrooper/Henchmen kit would run into the same wall the Deathwatch has where you want to field two or three frag cannons a squad but they ship each kit with one so you end up with either way too many models or way too much money dumped into Ebaying parts. On top of that most of the things you found in Henchmen warbands have had the models carved off and stuck into other armies as independent entities (Crusaders, DCA, Psykers).

I'd like to see both carapace/flak and power-armoured infantry, cuts made at the wrist (as in plastic Marines) or at the joint of the hand to the gun (as in Forge World Marines) rather than weapons mounted to non-interchangeable arms to allow for a wider variety of equipment, things like Joakero and Daemonhosts distributed in three-model or five-model boxes with poses/options the way the Thousand Sons Exalted Sorcerers were rather than as individual single-pose blisters that there's only one of for each unit, smaller/more understated Inquisitors (either as upgrade parts in the Henchmen kits or as blisters designed to swap parts easily with the Henchmen kits), and more unique kit depending on Ordo, but most of that is a pipe dream.

What we're likely to get when GW remembers the Inquisition exists is one half-assed infantry kit with somewhere between a third and a quarter of the parts we'd want, one plastic blister for Inquisitors of each Ordo with fixed loadouts that become the only loadouts allowed in the rules, and no Codex in 9th edition because nobody bought the 8th edition models.

Though given the degree to which I've been pleasantly surprised by 8th my doom-and-gloom predictions may be wrong. We shall see.


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 Zingraff wrote:
...Also " too quirky and idiosyncratic to do plastic kits of". Really? More so than Scions or Sisters of Silence? If anything, it's the other way around, Scions are really way too ornate and gaudy to blend well with Cadian infantry...

...I'd be more comfortable with that comparison if the Sisters of Silence models we had didn't neglect the vast majority of the stuff Forge World has written rules for and come as a limited arrangement of single-pose models with no customizability at all.

Well thought out response. to piggyback on that I'd love to see Arbites included as an elite unit in the codex, maybe have penal legion as troops? any other unique units you can think of to add to the army? Maybe a gun cutter as a flyer?

Lots of chatter that 2018 will be more focused on Xenos. We’ll see if this is true or not soon enough. The GW rumor pic is clearly Eldar of some sort that or they trolling us with dead Eldar on primaries base.

5th edition had a great codex.

pm713 wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
You forgot Codex: Gue'vesa

And Codex Exodites.

Didn't meant to make the full list of codecies that are planned for release before Codex: Sisters of Battle. I mean, I could try, but then again there is a max limit of character you can put on a Dakka post .

In short, Nope.

I'm expecting in 2018 we'll start seeing consolidation of some of the faction's models and several older minis (anything metal or resin) stop being produced. As I understand it, that would be most of the inquisition models, for one thing.

And more Primaris units to fill in the perceived "gaps" in that army, culminating in a Primaris codex around June.

I'm very much in favour of Codex consolidation, so what I would like to see is one book which includes the generic Inquisitorial Storm Troopers and the three major Ordos with their associated Chambers Militant in one.

I'm envisioning the Ordos being treated a bit like craftworlds or clans with traits and stratagems associated with each. However, each Ordo would limit you to taking units only out of it's associated Chamber Militant roster.
(I add this caveat just to try to limit cheesy combos like Grey Knight Teminators flying around in Deathwatch gunships using SoB prayer powers!)

Then you wouldn't need a profusion of different Codices, that have always felt a little thin on their own, to field a cool Inquisition army.

Doesn't the <Imperium> keyword pretty much negate the need for an Inquisition / Agents of the Imperium codex?