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Hi mates,

Trying to prepare a competitive 8th edition list for upcoming tournaments and here is what i have for now;

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Crimson Fists - Space Marines) [39 PL, 795pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Combi-melta, Jump Pack, Power fist

Lieutenants [4 PL, 79pts]
. Lieutenant: Combi-plasma, Power sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

+ Dedicated Transport +

Razorback [5 PL, 128pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Storm bolter, Twin lascannon

Razorback [5 PL, 116pts]: Storm bolter, Twin assault cannon

Rhino [4 PL, 78pts]: Hunter-killer missile, Storm bolter

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Crimson Fists - Space Marines) [41 PL, 580pts] ++

+ Fast Attack +

Inceptor Squad [10 PL, 135pts]: Assault bolter, 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant

+ HQ +

Techmarine [4 PL, 65pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword, Conversion beamer

+ Elites +

Apothecary [3 PL, 55pts]

Contemptor Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon

Honour Guard [2 PL, 52pts]
. Honour Guard: Power axe
. Honour Guard: Power axe

Sternguard Veteran Squad [14 PL, 108pts]
. Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Space Marine Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Special issue boltgun

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Crimson Fists - Space Marines) [31 PL, 625pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian [6 PL, 103pts]: Force stave, Plasma pistol

+ Heavy Support +

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

Hellblaster Squad [8 PL, 165pts]: Plasma incinerator
. 4x Hellblaster
. Hellblaster Sergeant: Bolt pistol

Predator [9 PL, 192pts]: Storm bolter, Twin lascannon, Two Lascannons

++ Total: [111 PL, 2000pts] ++

Sterns, libby, lieutenant and honor guards will ride in Rhino, Captain (Chapter Master with Storm of fire) will join them via deep strike. This combo unit will shoot and charge through the heart of the battle. Dread and tech will go in front of hellblaster squads which are again trailed by apothecary. Intercessors will try to advance towards objectives and if possible give some shooting and screen the hellblasters. Inceptors will clear backdoor enemy troops and then if they live, harass other units or join the captain. Predator and razorbacks will be my gunline against wehicles and flyers. I am thinking to boost hellblasters with giving my dread wisdom of the ancients in important shootings.

I am not sure about the combi-melta in captain, combi-plasma in lieutenant and conversion beamer in tech. Should i swap them with sth else?

Do you think this list lucks some heavy shooting power? If so i can swap Contemptor dread with a Las/Missile Venerable dread.

So how do you think this list will fare? Any recommendations and feedbacks will be appreciated.

Well I think the list lacks some things. Marines without Guilliman and Stormravens aren't very strong. To make them work you need to use all the tricks in the Stratagems.

I notice no Heavy Bolters for chucking Mortal Wounds. No Missile Launchers for chucking Mortal Wounds at fliers.

I'd give the Libby a jumppack if possible so he can get where he's needed. TBH I'd use him as distraction carnifex.

I'd be impressed if the Apothecary helped much. Instead I'd use an Ancient. Ancients give you out of turn shooting, and that helps VS Alpha Strikes. I'd give the Ancient the Banner of the Emperor Ascendant to make him even better. Keep him with the Hellblasters, they are probably the best unit in this list.

Instead of the Combi Melta on the Captain I'd take a Storm Shield (spend Command Points make it Shield Eternal... he'll feth gak up and survive a while).

If you have a Tech Marine, see if you can bring a Thunderfire Cannon and use the Stratagem to stymie your enemy's movement. It is great.

I do endorse Sternguard. I actually bring 10. +1 to Wound is no joke,

Basically I'd reformat this as a Brigade and double down on Statagems. Have enough Heavy Bolters and Missile Launchers so that you're popping those Stratagems for the whole game. When a Heavy Bolter dies near an Ancient and gets to fire as he dies, use the Stratagem again. Use those Mortal Wound stratagems every chance you get.