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OK, New York Times reporting on it actually makes my pause and actually think on this one. I mean it looks not man made, moves insanely, but is there another plausible explanation? I can't think of one. Does seem shady to me to not make a bigger deal out of this!
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: It feels like everyone is waiting for someone else to either refute it or openly accept it as genuine. Has anyone come out with an explanation?
U.S.S. Princeton, the ship that first tagged it, has some very high end gear. The planes are no slouches either. If they said something was there, then something was there. What it was....?
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BobtheInquisitor wrote: It feels like everyone is waiting for someone else to either refute it or openly accept it as genuine. Has anyone come out with an explanation?
About the only thing that this tidbit tells us is that the U.S. Government has been BSing everybody since Blue Book shut down in 1970. However, as those interested in such things already knew, the Federal Government has maintained an interest in UFO reports (off the public radar) between the end of Blue Book and the start of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program in 2007.
Declassified documents produced DoD incident reports sent to the White House after two alleged encounters between military aircraft, and unidentified flying objects (Tehran in 1976 and Peru in 1980, where the pilot actually fired on the object). And I doubt it was purely the result of Carter's personal interest in U.F.O.s. after a personal sighting during his time as Georgia's Governor.
Many of these things are real mysteries. I've seen one myself, and contrary to what professional debunkers like James Oberg and the CSI might say, it wasn't anything conventional. On the other hand, unlike the true believers, I do realize that a good many of these reports are probably mis-identification and a few hoaxes. The point is, based on my own readings on the subject, my personal experience, and stories told to me by my late Pops (who served in the USAF from 1968 to 1977), that this is something worthy of study.
And apparently, so does the United States Government. I don't believe for a minute, despite private backing after 2012, that the DoD and intelligence agencies don't have at least a couple of fingers in the pie.
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The most likely explanation is some secret aircraft testing by some government, like the US, which other aircraft inadvertently encounter.
Area 51 is where stealth aircraft were originally tested, and account for the UFO sightings in the area. It's likely that this was just some new stealth craft being tested in secret and everybody being kept in the dark. Mistaken identities as a UFO makes for a convenient cover story so it gets left at that.
Thats my bet. These guys encountered some new stealth aircraft while it was being tested and it confused the heck out of their sensors.
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Grey Templar wrote: The most likely explanation is some secret aircraft testing by some government, like the US, which other aircraft inadvertently encounter.
Area 51 is where stealth aircraft were originally tested, and account for the UFO sightings in the area. It's likely that this was just some new stealth craft being tested in secret and everybody being kept in the dark. Mistaken identities as a UFO makes for a convenient cover story so it gets left at that.
Thats my bet. These guys encountered some new stealth aircraft while it was being tested and it confused the heck out of their sensors.
UFO makes a great cover story for that kind of thing. Especially if a more extreme design like the B2 or night hawk.
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UFO makes a great cover story for that kind of thing. Especially if a more extreme design like the B2 or night hawk.
Neither of which being extreme designs, the flying wing having been around since at least the Ho 229 in WW2. Based on the Princeton's reported readings, these are not a conventional aircraft of any known type. Unless someone has invented rocket blimps or some sort of land speeder of the 40k variety with a ceiling over 10k.
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Grey Templar wrote: The most likely explanation is some secret aircraft testing by some government, like the US, which other aircraft inadvertently encounter.
Area 51 is where stealth aircraft were originally tested, and account for the UFO sightings in the area. It's likely that this was just some new stealth craft being tested in secret and everybody being kept in the dark. Mistaken identities as a UFO makes for a convenient cover story so it gets left at that.
Thats my bet. These guys encountered some new stealth aircraft while it was being tested and it confused the heck out of their sensors.
Its my understanding that the whole UFO phenomenon was begun by the US intelligence service right? Having captured German prototypes in WWII they spread the rumour of UFOs rather than have the public (and the Soviets) knowing what they really were. Those German prototypes look a hell of a lot like flying saucers (though the Germans themselves didn't hold much weight in their idea, and found helicopters were more effective overall). A friend has a book on German helicopter prototypes from before and during war and there were loads of discs in there (besides conventional designs).
UFO makes a great cover story for that kind of thing. Especially if a more extreme design like the B2 or night hawk.
Neither of which being extreme designs, the flying wing having been around since at least the Ho 229 in WW2. Based on the Princeton's reported readings, these are not a conventional aircraft of any known type. Unless someone has invented rocket blimps or some sort of land speeder of the 40k variety with a ceiling over 10k.
Flying wings predate the Ho 229. The US flew a prototype N-1M in 1940 and there were several designs from other countries predate even that.
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Because if it's the pilot, he's got a steadier head than me....
I was thinking the same thing, for a general HUD view of the plane's field of view this seems ridiculously steady on-target. If it's some separate lock-on-target camera, I can imagine it might be quite steady, but even then everything seems a bit..static.
Because if it's the pilot, he's got a steadier head than me....
I was thinking the same thing, for a general HUD view of the plane's field of view this seems ridiculously steady on-target. If it's some separate lock-on-target camera, I can imagine it might be quite steady, but even then everything seems a bit..static.
I think the way the camera is behaving is totally plausible if it's done by a computer; the device in the center of the screen (though it rotates) doesn't do many exciting maneuvers or anything and the computers can probably predict a straight-line course well enough to keep steady-on.
My question is "what did it look like to the pilot" because I've heard of air eddies and whatnot that are particularly strong (especially in 120mph winds that are mentioned in the video) and I could see that distorting sensor returns somehow. But this would have to be super bizarre indeed.
One other question: How fast is the jet travelling? Did he fly past the device somehow? I can't visualize the courses of the jet and the UFO in my head, unless one is chasing another, but only kind of, because the other is also moving laterally...
Flying wings and lifting bodies are old designs, if you know where to look. UFOs predate Military intelligence and WWII, as you can find stories of mysterious airships from before the age of powered flight. Stranger still are their inclusion in some classical art. What does it all mean? Knowbody knows, but the truth is out there.
The title made me think of something way cooler. You know guys, just because it is an UFO doesn't mean it is an 'alien invader'. It might as well be an unknown natural phenomenon.
Because if it's the pilot, he's got a steadier head than me....
I was thinking the same thing, for a general HUD view of the plane's field of view this seems ridiculously steady on-target. If it's some separate lock-on-target camera, I can imagine it might be quite steady, but even then everything seems a bit..static.
Well, for all the tech and ridiculous amount of money they spend on fighter jets, I would hope that they at least figured out a way to keep a camera steady in-flight. I don't find the footage static. The camera moves as you would expect an aircraft to move.
Grey Templar wrote: The most likely explanation is some secret aircraft testing by some government, like the US, which other aircraft inadvertently encounter.
Area 51 is where stealth aircraft were originally tested, and account for the UFO sightings in the area. It's likely that this was just some new stealth craft being tested in secret and everybody being kept in the dark. Mistaken identities as a UFO makes for a convenient cover story so it gets left at that.
Thats my bet. These guys encountered some new stealth aircraft while it was being tested and it confused the heck out of their sensors.
Its my understanding that the whole UFO phenomenon was begun by the US intelligence service right? Having captured German prototypes in WWII they spread the rumour of UFOs rather than have the public (and the Soviets) knowing what they really were. Those German prototypes look a hell of a lot like flying saucers (though the Germans themselves didn't hold much weight in their idea, and found helicopters were more effective overall). A friend has a book on German helicopter prototypes from before and during war and there were loads of discs in there (besides conventional designs).
There are many historical references to wheels, shields and crosses appearing in the sky, but since they were recorded centuries ago almost no one takes them seriously today.
Grey Templar wrote: The most likely explanation is some secret aircraft testing by some government, like the US, which other aircraft inadvertently encounter.
Area 51 is where stealth aircraft were originally tested, and account for the UFO sightings in the area. It's likely that this was just some new stealth craft being tested in secret and everybody being kept in the dark. Mistaken identities as a UFO makes for a convenient cover story so it gets left at that.
Thats my bet. These guys encountered some new stealth aircraft while it was being tested and it confused the heck out of their sensors.
Its my understanding that the whole UFO phenomenon was begun by the US intelligence service right? Having captured German prototypes in WWII they spread the rumour of UFOs rather than have the public (and the Soviets) knowing what they really were. Those German prototypes look a hell of a lot like flying saucers (though the Germans themselves didn't hold much weight in their idea, and found helicopters were more effective overall). A friend has a book on German helicopter prototypes from before and during war and there were loads of discs in there (besides conventional designs).
There are many historical references to wheels, shields and crosses appearing in the sky, but since they were recorded centuries ago almost no one takes them seriously today.
So what you are saying is
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Grey Templar wrote: The most likely explanation is some secret aircraft testing by some government, like the US, which other aircraft inadvertently encounter.
Area 51 is where stealth aircraft were originally tested, and account for the UFO sightings in the area. It's likely that this was just some new stealth craft being tested in secret and everybody being kept in the dark. Mistaken identities as a UFO makes for a convenient cover story so it gets left at that.
Thats my bet. These guys encountered some new stealth aircraft while it was being tested and it confused the heck out of their sensors.
Its my understanding that the whole UFO phenomenon was begun by the US intelligence service right? Having captured German prototypes in WWII they spread the rumour of UFOs rather than have the public (and the Soviets) knowing what they really were. Those German prototypes look a hell of a lot like flying saucers (though the Germans themselves didn't hold much weight in their idea, and found helicopters were more effective overall). A friend has a book on German helicopter prototypes from before and during war and there were loads of discs in there (besides conventional designs).
There are many historical references to wheels, shields and crosses appearing in the sky, but since they were recorded centuries ago almost no one takes them seriously today.
So what you are saying is
Yeah, that's a conclusion people tend to jump to.
Even in the cases that are still mysterious, "I don't know" is a more intellectually honest answer than "ALIENS!".
I'm not saying it's aliens necessarily, but I am saying we will never learn anything about some potentially important unknown phenomenon if our first reaction is always ridicule and minimalizing.
Sure, aliens exist, that is a pretty safe assumption based on the sheer size of the universe.
Them coming here and just flying about for a hundred years or so? Main counterargument would be a simple "why?" Any sufficiently advanced race must have much better ways of even just 'monitoring' us beyond randomly flying around.
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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I feel exactly the same way that Disciple of Fate does. Odds are good there are aliens, but bad that they've come all the way over here out of all the infinite vastness of space. I don't think we're quite cool enough to warrant that level of interest.
Luciferian wrote: I feel exactly the same way that Disciple of Fate does. Odds are good there are aliens, but bad that they've come all the way over here out of all the infinite vastness of space. I don't think we're quite cool enough to warrant that level of interest.
And I don't think they are "playing doctor" with country bumpkins.
But then, if they were, would you believe the country bumpkins?
Disciple of Fate wrote: Sure, aliens exist, that is a pretty safe assumption based on the sheer size of the universe.
Them coming here and just flying about for a hundred years or so? Main counterargument would be a simple "why?" Any sufficiently advanced race must have much better ways of even just 'monitoring' us beyond randomly flying around.
That is supposing aliens (should they exist) actually care about us and are interested in monitoring us though. If these UFO's were alien craft or beings, they could be doing a myriad things flying around Earth.
Until the day the existence of aliens is definitely proven, and we have an idea of what aliens actually are, any discussion about aliens, their nature and their motives is pretty much meaningless. How can we discuss something if we don't even know what we are talking about? It is as useless as arguing about the nature of God or any other unknowable thing.
Just for the record. Personally, given the truly vast, unimaginably huge scale of the universe, I find it statistically highly likely that alien life exists. The probability however that the Human race ever gets to meet them before going extinct? Highly unlikely, even if our species should last for a hundred million years and spreads itself to the far corners of the Milky Way. The universe is just so big, the whole Milky Way is only an insignificant speck in it. And even if aliens were to live relatively close by, within the Milky Way, the time involved is also so unimaginably vast that alien life may have well become extinct before we ever encounter it, or yet to evolve... For us to meet aliens, we need to be very very very close to one another in terms of time and space. I don't know how big that chance is, but I imagine not very big.
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Yeah, that's a conclusion people tend to jump to.
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