Switch Theme:

Critique what may be my next tournament fixture list  [RSS] Share on facebook Share on Twitter Submit to Reddit
»
Author Message
Advert


Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
  • No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
  • Times and dates in your local timezone.
  • Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
  • Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
  • Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.




Made in us
Been Around the Block




I've played this 3 times so far and so far at 1 win lose and draw. Draw was store closing early and had to leave and wasn't clear cut who would win with time left on game clock. So what if any changes would y'all suggest?

Currently running version:
Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Operations Specialist (3)
R5-D8 (3)*
Pulsed Ray Shield (2)
* I like and hate this at same time, in the game I lost I went 5 rounds without it doing anything, and its a 5/8 chance of being successful, yet in the game I won I went from being at 1 hull left to absolutely undamaged in 3 rounds.

Wedge Antilles (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
R5-P9 (3)
Vectored Thrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch





Haven't played competitive in a while so this is all personal rather than any meta-calls

Seems like a lot of points sunk into Fenn, he's still a fairly squishy 1/4 with only 2 red dice, and the Pulse Ray it doesn't appear to play well with his pilot ability, also maye Rey crew over Ops, means you can bank a focus or two for personal use and still get some co-ordinate usage in when engaged

Whilst the Flight Assist seems like a good card I think regen droids is the better choice for Aces, so maybe R2-D2 instead

I think swapping Poe's Thrusters for Advanced Optics, being able to undo 2 target locks is fun but given the squad is ps11 arc dodging is a better answer and optics plays so well with Poe's ability, being able to T-roll and still have a focus seems strong plus of course r5, and open the mod slot up for IA.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2017/12/22 16:52:23


"AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED." 
   
Made in us
Been Around the Block




I like Fenn 2 red dice with Ops since very good chance I will miss and be able to give Wedge or Poe a focus token, even if they are stressed, Also with Ops if Wedge or Poe miss they might be able to give someone a focus token as well. The pulse ray I can see your point but at the same time I use it when I know it will be most likely safe to do it or I am unstressed.

With the way I fly Wedge Flight Assist works better for me, but at the cost he is far far easier to kill then Poe or Fenn.

Advanced Optics Poe I would fly if R5-P9 didn't require me to spend the focus token for shield regen.
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






Fenn Rau needs work. R5-D8 is trash. Too many points, too low a chance of working. Just take R2-D2 since you'll be doing greens to clear stress anyway, and then you can drop PRS for vectored thrusters and have a much better chance of getting stuff in arc. PRS is really bad on a ship that wants to take stress all the time. I'm not sure I'm sold on operations specialist, but I guess you could do worse.

Wedge is standard in the post-FAA era. No complaint there.

Poe needs autothrusters. It's way too powerful a defensive bonus to ignore, and you don't have the action economy to make an additional action on your action bar effective. And you can probably also drop the title, you'll rarely be boosting because you need your actions to focus.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

What if he gave Poe R2-D2 instead of R5-P9? You could then bank that focus and always keep it unless in a crunch.

The thing with Ops Spec is that it kinda limits where you can go on the board, so even though you are PS11, you'll still keep your ships in loose formation. A savvy opponent can exploit that.

I'd play around with it a bit like this, maybe:

Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Rey (2)
R5-P9 (3)

Wedge Antilles (29)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Flight-Assist Astromech (1)
Integrated Astromech (0)

Poe Dameron (PS9) (33)
Veteran Instincts (1)
R2-D2 (4)
Advanced Optics (2)
Autothrusters (2)
Black One (1)

Total: 100

View in Yet Another Squad Builder


Automatically Appended Next Post:
For added fethery (It's a thing, Google it) you could give your pilots Adaptability and give yourself a nice 3 pts bid.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/23 17:28:08


 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
For added fethery (It's a thing, Google it) you could give your pilots Adaptability and give yourself a nice 3 pts bid.


I don't know why you'd ever want to do that, there's no possible situation where being PS 10 with a bid is better than being PS 11. In any situation where a 3-point bid is relevant at PS 10 being PS 11 is just plain better.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Does the Vader/Quick/Inq list usually have a bid?

Anyway, you're probably right. But by using Adaptability on Fenn and Wedge, as well as using the PS8 Poe with VI, you could squeeze in Vectored Thrusters on Fenn. That could be worth something. Give Fenn and Wedge VI and you're back at PS11 for them at 100 pts.

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Does the Vader/Quick/Inq list usually have a bid?


I'm not sure, depends on the list? But they're PS 11/11/8, going to PS 10/10/10 is worse in every way than PS 11/11/11 no matter how much your bid is. And if you're talking about a list with adaptability on Vader and Quickdraw being PS 11 with zero bid is better in every way than PS 10 no matter what your bid is.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in us
Been Around the Block




 Peregrine wrote:
Fenn Rau needs work. R5-D8 is trash. Too many points, too low a chance of working. Just take R2-D2 since you'll be doing greens to clear stress anyway, and then you can drop PRS for vectored thrusters and have a much better chance of getting stuff in arc. PRS is really bad on a ship that wants to take stress all the time. I'm not sure I'm sold on operations specialist, but I guess you could do worse.

Poe needs autothrusters. It's way too powerful a defensive bonus to ignore, and you don't have the action economy to make an additional action on your action bar effective. And you can probably also drop the title, you'll rarely be boosting because you need your actions to focus.


First so I understand where your coming from, when you say "too low a chance of working" what do you mean by it? Because from my viewpoint I see it as being above average chance of working. Since as long as you roll paint on a green die it works.

I somewhat agree with Poe and autothrusters, in the first game he had them and they did nothing for me and the barrel roll and boost helped a lot in the next games.
   
Made in us
Douglas Bader






Miradorm wrote:
First so I understand where your coming from, when you say "too low a chance of working" what do you mean by it? Because from my viewpoint I see it as being above average chance of working. Since as long as you roll paint on a green die it works.


It has too low a chance of working because the chance is less than 100%. The fact that you have to roll a die to see if it does anything makes it a weaker and less-consistent version of R5-P9, and R5-P9 is a weaker version of R2-D2 on a ship that is doing a green maneuver every turn already. You don't have R2-D2 on another ship already, so just take the better option.

I somewhat agree with Poe and autothrusters, in the first game he had them and they did nothing for me and the barrel roll and boost helped a lot in the next games.


Your luck is exceptionally poor then. Autothrusters is one of the most overpowered upgrades in the game. If it cost 10 points instead of 2 points it would probably still be an auto-take on every ship that can use it. You think this is an exaggeration, but it's only a very small one at most. You can easily get 10 points worth of value out of those extra evade results. Barrel roll, on the other hand, is a marginal upgrade because you don't have the action economy to make it effective. You can't take two actions to boost and barrel roll in the same turn, so you're trading automatic evade results for the occasional situation where a barrel roll gets you where you need to be but a boost doesn't and you don't need to spend your single action on a focus token.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2017/12/25 12:14:20


There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Give my version of the list a whirl, I'm certainly going to, ahead of the upcoming Regionals.

Torn between that (because it sounds fresh and new) and my good old Nymranda.

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Ok, so Toronto Regionals just happened and Nym+ your flavour of the month dominated, only to be resoundly defeated by a QD + 3 Nu w/ Harpoons and LRS. And I mean it was overly before the 50 minutes mark. I was on the stationary bike watching it live and while I was doing a superset of calisthenics, the game was basically over. Yes, I missed all the crucial moments, but it was incredibly lopsided.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
All this leads me to this: have you given the lists here a whirl, and can you report back on effectiveness?

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/01/10 15:45:30


 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
Made in us
Been Around the Block




Not exactly flu knocking out people only got 1 game in since last posting.

It was versus PS 10 Wedge,Cracken and Nym all with ordinance. The only change I made was to Fenn Rau and changing Pulse Ray Shield for Vectored Thrusters. I was happy with that change so far

I lost this game mostly because I took risks I probably shouldn't have taken, and questionable decision to vaporize Cracken before his Wedge. The only time he was able to fire ordinance off on me was very near the end of the game.

Against QD+3 Nu I should be ok as long as I do my best to avoid the kill box, and get into range 1 of at least 1 of the Nu while stripping the target locks off the other 2.

This weekend might go to local tournament and since don't expect anyone but the locals I highly doubt I will see QD and Nus being flown and probably only 1 maybe 2 ships with turrets on them, but will try your list out and let you know how it goes.

   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

Yeah that Rebel Alpha Strike looks nasty. I wonder what happens if you wiff on your initial pass, though. a Z-95 remains a Z-95, after all.

All my friends are saying I should just fly my Nymranda list. That four Proton Bombs ought to scare enough people into doing stupid things.

I flew my version of it last night against a good old Palp Defenders. Fenn's ability is iffy against Defenders, and having only Poe which can reposition reliably is not enough. Wedge melts when looked at sternly.

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
Made in us
Been Around the Block




Argh! sometimes I really hate the weather. TO cancelled tournament and looking to reschedule it because incoming ice/snow storm.
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





Bathing in elitist French expats fumes

That tends to happen during winter.

 GamesWorkshop wrote:
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 
   
 
Forum Index » Atomic Mass Games (Star Wars & Marvel: Crisis Protocol)
Go to: