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We have a new codex for incarnate heresy coming soon!

Any actual news would be nice, but what do you hope for or think needs to be in there?

Destiny dice as per Disciples of Tzeentch would be amazing (roll 9 dice at the start of the game and you can use those results instead of rolling; for most basic rolls during the game). I actually really like how Tzeentch daemons work in AoS, so anything from there really.

The insane and unlikely request would be for Slaanesh, name a KoS and give the KoS the stats for the new model (better be coming GW ). We can wait and proxy the existing model, but would hate to need a supplement when the new models (please ) do drop (12 months from now, if the pattern continues).

Forget idea of rules for model in future. Proxy not allowed by GW's idea. If KOS gets new model with new rules that will come in separate book released together with new model

My wish is that it's actually not very good and causes people to shelves their daemon armies. (Nothing personal against Daemon players, it's just that that army was THE most obnoxious thing in 7th and I still hate it for that)

Then it's AT LEAST 8 months of Xenos and other Non-Marine/Non-chaos releases(No-model codexes are fine).

ERJAK wrote:
My wish is that it's actually not very good and causes people to shelves their daemon armies. (Nothing personal against Daemon players, it's just that that army was THE most obnoxious thing in 7th and I still hate it for that)

Then it's AT LEAST 8 months of Xenos and other Non-Marine/Non-chaos releases(No-model codexes are fine).

It like I'm really reading a 7th-8th Ed Fantasy daemons transition thread again!

 Sim-Life wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
My wish is that it's actually not very good and causes people to shelves their daemon armies. (Nothing personal against Daemon players, it's just that that army was THE most obnoxious thing in 7th and I still hate it for that)

Then it's AT LEAST 8 months of Xenos and other Non-Marine/Non-chaos releases(No-model codexes are fine).

It like I'm really reading a 7th-8th Ed Fantasy daemons transition thread again!

lol. "Army was broken before so it deserves to be crap from now on". That's about the most idiotic reasoning possible Erjak would fit right in with GW game design studio!

I may get the usual flak for saying this - but I suspect it'll be mediocre.

While it appears there are some new model options coming out for Nurgle (well, mostly just model replacements) I think Daemons don't need to be an army - at all. They should have been included in a larger comprehensive Chaos codex. They're up there with Grey Knights/Harlequins as being really small, and limited.

I find a daemon army to be one of the most boring armies in 40K given how limited they are (psyker stuff and charging into close combat). Overall, not very appealing and just too small of a range to really justify a full "army" codex. I'd have rather seen a Daemon subsection in the CSM book, with players opting for Daemon detachments, etc.

So my guess? Minimal and semi-disappointing...and people will complain about why they can't make tournament competitive armies with five or six different models.

WOW! So positive! Did you know that you can let other people enjoy something even if you don't like it? No cost to you.

tneva82 wrote:Forget idea of rules for model in future. Proxy not allowed by GW's idea. If KOS gets new model with new rules that will come in separate book released together with new model

I know, really wish they wouldn't though.

ERJAK wrote:My wish is that it's actually not very good and causes people to shelves their daemon armies. (Nothing personal against Daemon players, it's just that that army was THE most obnoxious thing in 7th and I still hate it for that).

That's just mean.

Elbows wrote:I may get the usual flak for saying this - but I suspect it'll be mediocre.

While it appears there are some new model options coming out for Nurgle (well, mostly just model replacements) I think Daemons don't need to be an army - at all. They should have been included in a larger comprehensive Chaos codex. They're up there with Grey Knights/Harlequins as being really small, and limited.

I find a daemon army to be one of the most boring armies in 40K given how limited they are (psyker stuff and charging into close combat). Overall, not very appealing and just too small of a range to really justify a full "army" codex. I'd have rather seen a Daemon subsection in the CSM book, with players opting for Daemon detachments, etc.

So my guess? Minimal and semi-disappointing...and people will complain about why they can't make tournament competitive armies with five or six different models.

Firstly, each chaos god has at least 10 options. Second, if you think daemons are boring and incomplete; then don't play daemons. Finally, I don't follow, how would your dislike of daemons (for the reasons stated) make the codex mediocre?

Any more positive thoughts from people who actually play daemons or at least like them?

I'll like for some more movement options and shenanigans. That could need some point changes for Bloodletters and Plague Bearers of course.

Basic daemon troops are points per points some of the best troops in the game from a pure stats/point ratio(Plague bearers and Bloodletters, Pink Horrors are pretty mediocre and Daemonettes... I haven't see them to judge them), because at the end of the day summoning is very unreliable and they don't have a way to move faster than what they can run/advance.

I think Khorne Daemons need Juggernauts without a rider. Those metal-rhinos deserve to be their own thing.

I think a lot more daemon units should get deep strike, if not all of them. That's been an iconic daemon ability for a long damn time, and I was more than a little surprised it was eliminated in 8th.

Summoning seems cute, but not nearly as effective.

I think a lot depends on how GW is going to take Deamons.

If they want they can really push for each of the four Gods to be fully viable and varied as their own armies. Nurgle is already getting a lot of new models that would let it, in Fantasy and 40K , stand on its own as its own army without any other god. If GW sees this as the angle to take all four Gods hten, in time, it could be a very interesting codex.

However if that is the direction then it might appear rather bland at launch since some gods are not as well rounded - Slannesh needs a lot more options (and some ranged!). So it could be that the codex, at launch, is bland but grows a lot later - this is assuming that GW isn't doing a huge dump of new models with that codex launch (which would be surprising as they've not really done that this around)

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I think a lot more daemon units should get deep strike, if not all of them. That's been an iconic daemon ability for a long damn time, and I was more than a little surprised it was eliminated in 8th.

Summoning seems cute, but not nearly as effective.

I hear you! I like the way summoning lets me decide on part of my list during the game, but I would like to see some more positioning opportunity from it. With not being able to move the hero it means the troops come in on your half or on turn 3 and aggressive heroes (like princes) are wasted if you use them. I prefer it in AoS (summoning is a spell in the equivalent of the psychic phase)

All I want is for Kairos to be viable, personally, anything else is just gravy.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I think a lot more daemon units should get deep strike, if not all of them. That's been an iconic daemon ability for a long damn time, and I was more than a little surprised it was eliminated in 8th.

Summoning seems cute, but not nearly as effective.

I think I'd be okay with more Deep Striking Daemons if the "Daemonic Incursion" style of rules that Grey Knights used to give Daemons were still in play.

I want ALL the Greater Daemons to be viable again. Also, deepstrike. I don't even care if it's a stratagem, I want /something/.

Revamp summoning. Bring back Blood Tithe for Khorne to make up for lack of powers. More boobs on Slaanesh deamons.

Something to make up for the army can't all deepstrike... and something to make then unique again. Oh, and more awesome new demon models, especially Khorne and Nurgle!

The Codex needs to land Daemons on a mirror tier to Tyranids for balance to be maintained in the Grimdark future. GW did it correctly in 7th with Daemons being OP while Tyranids had a suck Codex.

What is the consensus about Tyranids now? I bet we can mirror image predict almost exactly where Daemons will end up based on this intel. For example, are Tyranids now tier 1.5? Then Daemons will be tier 3.5. Easy peasy!

I kind of hope that GW don't do that - instead I'd rather they copied the concept of a codex where most units are viable choices and well rounded and where the codex balances up about equal to the other armies currently with codex.

Strategem that allows chariots to zip across board for 1st turn charges.

Stratgem that allows you hold back and then deepstrike up to 3 units.

Prepare now. Expect that Brimstone Horrors get another nerf. It shouldn't be a surprise by now, but expect over-used undercosted units to get toned down.

Turn summoning into an ability that is used instead of a psychic power. That alone would make deamons more interesting.

Or make it so that anyone can summon, as in a choosen leading a squad of beserkers can summon bloodletters into the field. Things like that could be amazing.

Really, summoning rules need to be fixed the most. And reasonable greater deamon costs too. It's impossible to summon some greater deamons with their current costs thanks to the power level setup. Roll 18 on 3d6? Yeah, that's not going to happen.

I think that a stratagem similar to "Webway assault" is a given.

We can also reasonably expect:

A khorne stratagem which generates attacks on 6+ to hit.

A Tzeentch stratagem that gives +1 power or bonus to cast to a power.

A Slaneesh stratagem for advance and charge.

A Nurgle stratagem for mortal wounds on nearby units.

A generic stratagem for +1 on invul save.


Possible but less likely stratagems:

Something that interacts with a demon being summoned.

A stratagem that relocates a demon unit.

Fury of Khorne from the CSM dex.

Grandfather's blessing from the CSM dex.

I'm hoping for "chapter tactics" for each of the four mono-god factions and for undivided.

A boost to summoning to make it worthwhile would be nice. Something needs to compensate for the lack of shooting.

Strategem wise I think most factions have some strong abilities so no great worries there.

 matt123456790 wrote:
I'm hoping for "chapter tactics" for each of the four mono-god factions and for undivided.

Wish granted.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/12/28/faction-focus-chaos-daemons/

Daemons now have a morale issue. I would hope they get some sort of protection by adding the number of slain enemy models to their leadership value in the fight phase or something similar.

This would reflect their power waxing and waning during the heat of battle.

The nurgle push is a feint and the book will be cover to cover slaanesh.

Also hope to see a pts decrease for Daemon Princes.

I could have sworn they had dropped in price with a FAQ but I only see their wounds characteristics changed.

I was also expecting an increase for the Death Guard prince that thankfully didn't occur yet. But one Nurgle prince being 180 and one nurgle prince being 212 with the same built in benefits is bonkers.

With the new article detailing the various Loci, I imagine we'll see a bunch of champion model characters with the Loci that you'll want to swarm your troop choices around to gain their benefits.

I could also see a Warpstorm Strategem that makes enemy psykers peril on any rolls of a double.

8th Edition made Psykers viable, and Matched Play rules and the newer codexes find new ways to punish you for choosing them.

I want to run Kairos and multiple Lords of change.

I want to run Screamers again.

Make Flamers troops so I don't need to use horrors, so I can release myself from the endless tears horrors cause.

Make Tzeentch ACTUALLY BETTER at casting psychic powers, and have MORE THAN SIX psychic powers.

I'd be happy if Horrors just had a ranged attack, instead of proper Psychic powers.

Pink 30" S4 AP -1
Blue 24" S4 AP 0
Brimstone 18" S3 AP 0