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Hi there,
I have made a new 3000pts list, using the Maru Skara ROW.
The Hidden Blade would be the terminators in the spartan with the champion, the Praetor with the palatine blades and the seekers.
Why seekers in an EC army ? Because, even of EC is more assault oriented, I believe seekers to embodie the EC's quest for perfection (here, perfection in shooting) perfectly and that they could be very useful by outflanking thanks to the Maru Skara.
Feel free to criticize, I have very little experience.
Is 2500 more common than 3000 where you play ? Thanks !

++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2970pts] ++

+ HQ +

Legion Champion [130pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter, On Foot, Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shrieker
. Consul: Champion, Legion

Praetor, Legion [210pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker

+ Heavy Support +

Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron, Legion [270pts]
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Laser Destroyer Array
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Laser Destroyer Array

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion [200pts]: 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Vexilla, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion [200pts]: 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Vexilla, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

+ Fast Attack +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

Seeker Squad, Legion [305pts]: Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion, 9x Seeker Space Marines, Legion
. Strike Leader, Legion: Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs

+ Allegiance +

and Allegiance, Legion: III: Emperor's Children, Traitor

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment [170pts]
. Apothecary, Legion: Chainsword/Combat Blade, Jump Pack
. Apothecary, Legion: Artificer Armour, Chainsword/Combat Blade
. Apothecary, Legion: Artificer Armour, Chainsword/Combat Blade

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [380pts]
. Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon
. Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon

Palatine Blade Squad [360pts]: Jump packs, 9x Palatine Warriors, 5x Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shriekers
. Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear

Terminator Squad, Legion [595pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour
. Spartan Assault Tank, Legion: Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Frag Assault Launchers, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Phoenix Spear
. Terminators, Legion: Heavy Flamer, Lightning Claw
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw

++ Total: [2970pts] ++

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So, my previous list was illegal, I couldn't take the spartan as a dedicated transport (not enough men to do this).
I changed it and made a new 2 500pts list (easier to beggin 30k this way).


++ The Age of Darkness (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2500pts] ++

+ HQ +

Legion Champion [125pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, On Foot, Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shrieker
. Consul: Champion, Legion

Praetor, Legion [210pts]: Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Sonic Shrieker

+ Heavy Support +

Spartan Assault Tank, Legion [375pts]: Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion [200pts]: 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Vexilla, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion [200pts]: 14x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Bolters, Vexilla, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

+ Fast Attack +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

+ Allegiance +

and Allegiance, Legion: III: Emperor's Children, Traitor

Rite of War: The Maru Skara

+ Elites +

Apothecarion Detachment [170pts]
. Apothecary, Legion: Chainsword/Combat Blade, Jump Pack
. Apothecary, Legion: Artificer Armour, Chainsword/Combat Blade
. Apothecary, Legion: Artificer Armour, Chainsword/Combat Blade

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [410pts]
. Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon
. Contemptor Dreadnought, Legion: Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon

Palatine Blade Squad [420pts]: Jump packs, 9x Palatine Warriors, 5x Phoenix Spear, Sonic Shriekers
. Palatine Prefector: Melta Bombs, Pheonix Spear

Terminator Squad, Legion [240pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Phoenix Spear
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Heavy Flamer, Power Weapon
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Lightning Claw

++ Total: [2500pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

The champion goes with the termi in the spartan, in the open blade. Not being in a terminator armor, he is able to make sweeping advances that the terminators can't do.
The hidden blade: the speeders squadron, palatines blades with the praetor and the dreadnought talon.
What do you think of this new list ?

Some thoughts.

Anti Air? Would it be worth shaving some points elsewhere to make those dreads contemptor mortis?

Your Spartan, I'm not an EC player, but I thought Heavy Support was prohibited by the Maru Skara, along with slow and purposeful and immobile, as the entire ethos is one of precision fast strike?

And have you considered Tartaros termies for being able to keep up with your champion? They seem far better suited to EC and to the Maru Skara in general.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Some thoughts.

Anti Air? Would it be worth shaving some points elsewhere to make those dreads contemptor mortis?

Your Spartan, I'm not an EC player, but I thought Heavy Support was prohibited by the Maru Skara, along with slow and purposeful and immobile, as the entire ethos is one of precision fast strike?

And have you considered Tartaros termies for being able to keep up with your champion? They seem far better suited to EC and to the Maru Skara in general.

Thank you for your attention,
Slow and purposeful units are in deed prohibited, but cataphractii terminators don't have this USR anymore, even if they have the exact same effects, and as I already have the models....
The Maru Skara does forbids units with the heavy USR, not heavy support in general^^
I thought about mortis, but they have some drawbacks: ct4 instead of 5 and no inv save !

 godardc wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Some thoughts.

Anti Air? Would it be worth shaving some points elsewhere to make those dreads contemptor mortis?

Your Spartan, I'm not an EC player, but I thought Heavy Support was prohibited by the Maru Skara, along with slow and purposeful and immobile, as the entire ethos is one of precision fast strike?

And have you considered Tartaros termies for being able to keep up with your champion? They seem far better suited to EC and to the Maru Skara in general.

Thank you for your attention,
Slow and purposeful units are in deed prohibited, but cataphractii terminators don't have this USR anymore, even if they have the exact same effects, and as I already have the models....
The Maru Skara does forbids units with the heavy USR, not heavy support in general^^
I thought about mortis, but they have some drawbacks: ct4 instead of 5 and no inv save !

Ah, fair enough on Heavy Support.

I mean Contemptor Mortis, not 'box' mortis. They are still contemptors and get the inv save.

And as to type of terminator armor, I mean that the Tartaros can Sweep and can Run, unlike the Cataphracts, enabling them to keep pace with and act in concert with your champion.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 godardc wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Some thoughts.

Anti Air? Would it be worth shaving some points elsewhere to make those dreads contemptor mortis?

Your Spartan, I'm not an EC player, but I thought Heavy Support was prohibited by the Maru Skara, along with slow and purposeful and immobile, as the entire ethos is one of precision fast strike?

And have you considered Tartaros termies for being able to keep up with your champion? They seem far better suited to EC and to the Maru Skara in general.

Thank you for your attention,
Slow and purposeful units are in deed prohibited, but cataphractii terminators don't have this USR anymore, even if they have the exact same effects, and as I already have the models....
The Maru Skara does forbids units with the heavy USR, not heavy support in general^^
I thought about mortis, but they have some drawbacks: ct4 instead of 5 and no inv save !

Ah, fair enough on Heavy Support.

I mean Contemptor Mortis, not 'box' mortis. They are still contemptors and get the inv save.

And as to type of terminator armor, I mean that the Tartaros can Sweep and can Run, unlike the Cataphracts, enabling them to keep pace with and act in concert with your champion.

I def agree with MGS on the Tartaros Terminator armor. The ability to sweep and run makes them in general the superior choice in Terminator for the IIIrd Legion. Particularly since they will be able to benefit from the fact the Legion has the Crusader special rule. Sweeping Terminators+Improved Sweep is good.

Indeed ! I didn't see the contemptor mortis in my booked, I missed them^^ now I have found them.
They are a little worse in assault, be anyway I don't want them tl assault (as I put 2 kheres on each). And they are cheaper !
So yeah, let's take contemptor mortis instead.
For the terminator, it is a little more annoying, as I have the models already.
But let's say I buy and play 5 phoenix terminators instead. I mean, I'll probably end up buying some anyways, so...
Would the list be ok ?

At 2,500 points, I fear that you lack the one thing that could take on the one thing just about everyone takes: a Primarch.

You are also really missing something to deal with a super heavy you might run into. Your only anti-armor is the Spartan and two Speeders. You might as well drop the Melta-bombs on your Tactical Squads- they will probably spend the game sitting on an objective and never get close to a vehicle. You might be better off exchanging them for combi-plasma instead.

Your are in pretty good shape for anti-air with the two Contemptor Dreads and Kheres Assault Cannons.

Not being in a terminator armor, he is able to make sweeping advances that the terminators can't do.

If he joins the squad, then no, he can't sweep.

I like the list, and think it will do well enough. You just might have problems with Primarchs, and really the only thing that can deal with a Primarch is another Primarch. Or a Superheavy, but such a list usually has all it's eggs in one basket- the Superheavy, and if you devote all your AT firepower (Spartan, both Land Speeders, and probably the Hunter Missiles), you might be able to take it out and triumph.

The idea was to make him left the unit when disembarking, but no w I decided to go full tartaros (and full £££^^) it is no longer in my mind.
I want to keep my primarch (eventually I will buy him) for a 3000pts list.
What do you think I should do with my spare 10 marines ?
A tactical support squad ? Such a squad is so expensive points wise !

 godardc wrote:
The idea was to make him left the unit when disembarking, but no w I decided to go full tartaros (and full £££^^) it is no longer in my mind.
I want to keep my primarch (eventually I will buy him) for a 3000pts list.
What do you think I should do with my spare 10 marines ?
A tactical support squad ? Such a squad is so expensive points wise !

Make your extra 10 marines into a Veteran Squad and tool them up however you want. The ability to select a wide variety of skills before the game begins really, really is a huge benefit. They can be the bodyguard for your HQ's.

Tactical Support Squads are expensive, until you watch five armed with Plasma Rifles destroy a full up terminator squad. They can't foot slog though. They need transportation. There is a player in my meta with Alpha Legion that runs two squads of plasma rifles in Rhino's with Multi-Meltas and yeah, it's a lot of points, but they do a ton of work on the table.

For paying for everything- you could drop one of the Contemptor dreads. One is sufficient for most anti air work. Few armies bring more than one or two flyers.

2,000 points you don't see many Primarchs/Super Heavies. It's hard to swallow 1/4 of your points in a single model, not to mention the whole 25% limit on LoW/Super Heavies. 2,500 points is where they start to pop up. A very popular RoW is "The Primarch's Chosen" where a Primarch can be counted as an HQ and army Warlord. At 3,000 points, I always include either my Primarch (Warmaster Horus) or my Fellblade. Because everyone at those points brings the "fun stuff".

Modeling thing aside- Tartarous are available as a plastic box set. You'll just have to jazz 'em up a bit for 30K Emperor's Children, but it shouldn't cost that much money compared to Phoenix Terminators.

You can't take Contemptor Mortis dreads as a squadron. So if you want to make them mortis, you'll have to drop an elites choice to make room for them.

 KorPhaeron77 wrote:
You can't take Contemptor Mortis dreads as a squadron. So if you want to make them mortis, you'll have to drop an elites choice to make room for them.

Yes, I have realised it too.
What if I took only one mortis contemptor, and then a 10 men reco squad ? They are able to outlflank too, coming with the hidden blade. What do you think of the shotguns ? They may be useful as they will probably be close to the ennemies.