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and how do you feel about this?

LightKing wrote:
and how do you feel about this?

Gievn his situation, and time line he comes from this fits,.

and also, he has the impirum semi cut off, chaos raiding hell out anything they can reach and dealing with gigantic losses of materal from dark side of the tear.

Seeking at least a less hostil stance to some fits, as better to conserve forces for real dangers that cannot be reduced.

It's only Eldar, and considering that they did:

A - Bring him back to life
B - Rescue him from the Maelstrom and Kairos Fateweaver

he isn't out of his right mind to. Also note that it's ONLY the Ynnead force lead by Yvraine that Guilliman has allied with.

Is it allying with or being friends with? They're very different things.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
It's only Eldar, and considering that they did:

A - Bring him back to life
B - Rescue him from the Maelstrom and Kairos Fateweaver

he isn't out of his right mind to. Also note that it's ONLY the Ynnead force lead by Yvraine that Guilliman has allied with.

well at least got a cease fire with them for mutual benefit,

they may not be pergfect allies but both relise its easier not to waste lives and machines on other when the galaxey is so full of enemies who do need dealing with now.

Robbie G is practical enough to realize that the galaxy is a very different place from 10,000 years ago. The only existential threat at the time of the great crusade was maybe the Orks. Now the Necrons and Tyranids are serious threats to the very existence of all of humanity, not just a few worlds here and there. Add in chaos breaking out everywhere and the human anti-xeno stance isn't a viable one.

Once the threats are dealt with? That'll be a different story.

the Imperium ally himsellf with eldars all the time. It always end in killing.

 Galas wrote:
the Imperium ally himsellf with eldars all the time. It always end in killing.

its normaly only a single battle or zone, sector.

yeah they do do it. not our of any want, but its a needed action or they lose.

The higher ups in the Imperium have always occasionally played nice with the Eldar. Out of necessity of course and not any genuine tolerance.

Both Eldar and Humans would gladly slaughter each other if it suited them, they're also pragmatic enough to work together when it suits them.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The higher ups in the Imperium have always occasionally played nice with the Eldar. Out of necessity of course and not any genuine tolerance.

Both Eldar and Humans would gladly slaughter each other if it suited them, they're also pragmatic enough to work together when it suits them.

Well, the Eldar don't necessarily hate the Imperium enough to 'gladly slaughter' them. It's more like the Eldar view humanity as animals, like primitive apes that occasionally necessitate a cull.

LightKing wrote:
and how do you feel about this?

So far, it's only been with the Ynnari. And he doesn't fully trust them.

The only other xenos faction I could see him allying with would be the Enclaves. Farsight is the only Tau, besides the Ethereals, that knows the truth behind the Ruinous Powers.

Humans and Eldar have played nice multiple times and the Tau have been willing do the same. Even the Necron have been willing to make a deal when it all looked like Chaos might win. In the end war is complicated

Trusting the Eldar seems like a fools errand as the Eldar view humanity as far lesser lifeforms and are more than willing to throw humanity under the proverbial bus if it will save their skin. The whims or visions of Farseers have lead to all sorts of betrayals where they foresee that doing some action will save Eldar lives even if it dooms billions of humans in the process. Its especially concerning that they would trust an Eldar death cult that worships some unknown god with completely unknown intentions that uses some suspect warp shenanigans. For all anybody knows these death cultist are playing into a trick by chaos or are worshiping some new chaos god (they already birthed one, who is to say they didn't create another).

Guilliman is just a corpse (like his father), but animated and put in a suit of armour (much like a Rubric Marine) by xenos necromancy! Don't trust the xenos witches! Death to the False Emperor!

Bit of a matter of priorities - Eldar and other Xenos are less a worry than literal demons from hell at the moment. Makes sense to me.

The Eldar are a rival, like the Tau, but have understandable goals and wants (mostly) whereas the Dark Powers, Tyranids and to a lesser extent, Necrons, are all seeking humanity's extinction and there is no negotiation, no compromise that can be reached.

It's Klingons and the Feds vs The Borg, issues of territory, resources and pride sort of evaporate when you're being faced with total extinction.

The Eldar need the Imperium to survive, as they are forced to admit in GS2. Having a big, powerful meatshield is pretty great, especially if you convince it that you are on their side.

The Imperium could use a friend or two in the short term. What that means long term is anyones guess, as war can make allies and friends in those who were once the bitterest of enemies.

Im sure the Eldar that arent Ynnari will queer any lasting peace, combined with racist Guard and Marine officers.

Rumour has it that Girlyman has taken a grot lover

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Eldar need the Imperium to survive, as they are forced to admit in GS2. Having a big, powerful meatshield is pretty great, especially if you convince it that you are on their side.

The Imperium could use a friend or two in the short term. What that means long term is anyones guess, as war can make allies and friends in those who were once the bitterest of enemies.

Im sure the Eldar that arent Ynnari will queer any lasting peace, combined with racist Guard and Marine officers.

I'm not sure why the Ynnari wouldn't be the ones to ruin a lasting peace. They're hardly the first Eldar to ally with and then ditch Imperial allies.

pm713 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Eldar need the Imperium to survive, as they are forced to admit in GS2. Having a big, powerful meatshield is pretty great, especially if you convince it that you are on their side.

The Imperium could use a friend or two in the short term. What that means long term is anyones guess, as war can make allies and friends in those who were once the bitterest of enemies.

Im sure the Eldar that arent Ynnari will queer any lasting peace, combined with racist Guard and Marine officers.

I'm not sure why the Ynnari wouldn't be the ones to ruin a lasting peace. They're hardly the first Eldar to ally with and then ditch Imperial allies.

The Ynnari are the ones that are aware they need the Imperium in good condition in order to survive as a species.

Considering that the Eldar are all about surviving as a species and doing things to ensure it, why would they piss off the big Guard Dog between them and Chaos?

pismakron wrote:
Rumour has it that Girlyman has taken a grot lover

I have also heard this rumour. I believe it is to be confirmed in the upcoming campaign book - "50 shades of Macragge Blue, A Grot on the Streets, A Primarch in the sheets."

 Crazyterran wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
The Eldar need the Imperium to survive, as they are forced to admit in GS2. Having a big, powerful meatshield is pretty great, especially if you convince it that you are on their side.

The Imperium could use a friend or two in the short term. What that means long term is anyones guess, as war can make allies and friends in those who were once the bitterest of enemies.

Im sure the Eldar that arent Ynnari will queer any lasting peace, combined with racist Guard and Marine officers.

I'm not sure why the Ynnari wouldn't be the ones to ruin a lasting peace. They're hardly the first Eldar to ally with and then ditch Imperial allies.

The Ynnari are the ones that are aware they need the Imperium in good condition in order to survive as a species.

Considering that the Eldar are all about surviving as a species and doing things to ensure it, why would they piss off the big Guard Dog between them and Chaos?

They ALL are. The Eldar made alliances with the Imperium long before the Ynnari cult popped up.

Because the Guard dog is an insane xenophobic empire that wants to murder them, destroy their culture and then forget them?

Imperium/Xenos alliances only last while there's a large imminent threat because the Imperium cannot coexist with other powers. That's how it's set up and a key part of the setting.

remember when horus blew the f$%^ out of the interex? Better times, better times...

LightKing wrote:
and how do you feel about this?

You have to be remember how terrible Chaos is. Its that bad, its surprising that every race in the galaxy hasn't united against them. Yes, including them...

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

LightKing wrote:
and how do you feel about this?

You have to be remember how terrible Chaos is. Its that bad, its surprising that every race in the galaxy hasn't united against them. Yes, including them...

To be fair the idea of Chaos is pretty far fetched. A load of evil demons in an alternative dimension? Made of emotion? That want to enslave or kill everyone? That take over peoples bodies? And to stop them we have to stop fighting each other and unite against these things? Riiiiiight.