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2018/01/03 09:32:19
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Taiwan’s top court has ordered a dentist to pay his mother around £554,000 as reimbursement for the money she spent raising and educating him.
The supreme court upheld a previous ruling that the 41-year-old, identified by his family name, Chu, should honour a contract he signed with his mother 20 years ago promising to repay her.
The plaintiff, surnamed Lo, divorced her husband in 1990 and raised their two sons on her own.
Worried that nobody would look after her when she got old, Lo signed the contracts with her sons after they both turned 20, stipulating that they must pay her 60% of the net profit from their incomes.
The supreme court said the contract was valid as Chu was an adult when he signed it, and that as a dentist he was capable of repaying his mother. It ordered him to pay Tw$22.33m ($744,000).
Lo accused her sons of ignoring her after they both started relationships, saying their girlfriends even sent her letters through their lawyers demanding her not to “bother” her sons, according to local reports.
She filed the lawsuit eight years ago when they refused to honour the contracts. The older son eventually paid her Tw$5m to settle the case.
Her younger son claimed that the contract violated “good customs” as raising a child should not be measured in financial terms, and went to court against his mother.
Lo appealed all the way to the supreme court after lower courts ruled in favour of her son.
Cases of abuse and abandonment of senior citizens have been on the rise in Taiwan in recent years, prompting calls for a law to jail adults who fail to look after their elderly parents although it is yet to pass.
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2018/01/03 09:54:45
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
The question I have is why they would sign a contract with their mother. If your parent is trying to get you to sign something like this then you've got to question what the thinking behind it is.
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2018/01/03 09:57:06
Subject: Re:Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Taiwan's top court has ordered a man to pay his mother almost $1m (£710,000) for raising him and funding his dentistry training.
The mother signed a contract with her son in 1997, when he was 20 years old, stating he would pay her 60% of his monthly income after qualifying.
She took him to court after he refused to pay her for several years.
The son argued it was wrong to demand a financial return for raising a child, but the court ruled the contract valid.
He has been ordered to make back payments, as well as interest, to his mother.
'Responsibility to provide'
The mother, identified only by her surname Luo, raised both her sons after she and her husband divorced.
Ms Luo said she had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars funding both her sons through dentistry school, but became worried they would be unwilling to care for her in old age.
Subsequently, she signed a contract with both of them stipulating they would pay her a portion of their earnings as repayments for the school fees, up to a total of $1.7m.
The elder son reached an agreement with his mother and settled the contract for a smaller amount, local media report.
However, the younger son, identified by his last name Chu, argued that he was very young when he signed the agreement, and the contract should be considered invalid.
Mr Chu also argued that he had worked in his mother's dental clinic for years after graduating and had helped her make more than the amount he was now ordered to pay her.
A Supreme Court spokeswoman told the BBC the judges had reached their decision mainly because they thought the contract was valid since the son was an adult when he signed it and was not forced to do so.
Under Taiwan's civil code, adult offspring have the responsibility to provide for their elderly parents, although most parents do not sue if their children fail to take care of them in old age, the BBC's Cindy Sui in Taipei reports.
This case is seen as particularly unusual because it involves a parent-child contract, our correspondent adds.
I'm not sure how much of it is cultural thing, and how much is she was hurt by her ex-husband and was trying to protect herself.
2018/01/03 09:59:14
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Whirlwind wrote: The question I have is why they would sign a contract with their mother. If your parent is trying to get you to sign something like this then you've got to question what the thinking behind it is.
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Presumably cultural "take care of your elders" attitude prevalent in asian cultures(though this is certainly extreme case!)
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2018/01/03 10:01:20
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Whirlwind wrote: The question I have is why they would sign a contract with their mother. If your parent is trying to get you to sign something like this then you've got to question what the thinking behind it is.
Presumably cultural "take care of your elders" attitude prevalent in asian cultures(though this is certainly extreme case!)
BBC wrote:
Under Taiwan's civil code, adult offspring have the responsibility to provide for their elderly parents, although most parents do not sue if their children fail to take care of them in old age, the BBC's Cindy Sui in Taipei reports.
2018/01/03 13:48:49
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Whirlwind wrote: The question I have is why they would sign a contract with their mother. If your parent is trying to get you to sign something like this then you've got to question what the thinking behind it is.
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I would guess most 20 year olds would struggle to say no to a demanding parent, especially if they were financially dependant on them still, which may well be the case for someone in the middle of training to be a dentist.
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2018/01/03 16:58:33
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Whirlwind wrote: The question I have is why they would sign a contract with their mother. If your parent is trying to get you to sign something like this then you've got to question what the thinking behind it is.
I would guess most 20 year olds would struggle to say no to a demanding parent, especially if they were financially dependant on them still, which may well be the case for someone in the middle of training to be a dentist.
That's the wrong approach. If the parent tried to say that then you could just counter with I'll have to drop out and then they'll definitely not have someone supporting them when they are old...
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2018/01/03 17:07:24
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Whirlwind wrote: The question I have is why they would sign a contract with their mother. If your parent is trying to get you to sign something like this then you've got to question what the thinking behind it is.
I would guess most 20 year olds would struggle to say no to a demanding parent, especially if they were financially dependant on them still, which may well be the case for someone in the middle of training to be a dentist.
That's the wrong approach. If the parent tried to say that then you could just counter with I'll have to drop out and then they'll definitely not have someone supporting them when they are old...
Depends on how much confidence you have and what your relationship with your parents is. I knew someone at university that didn’t tell their parents they had quit for 6 months for fear of disappointing them, and they were self funding.
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2018/01/03 18:45:41
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Tue, harrd to build a a life when your losing 60% post tax income... does he have a family he has to feed and keep?
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2018/01/04 19:00:32
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Tue, harrd to build a a life when your losing 60% post tax income... does he have a family he has to feed and keep?
At least a girlfriend or wife, reading through this.
Well I doubt she going to getting cordial relationship with any grand children in future.
This ones a difficult one, he did sign but she asking for alot. 60% is over half his income to sustain his own family should there be one. Or at least a partner.
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2018/01/04 22:31:09
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Obviously, the relationship was well soured before she brought the suit. And, terrible a mother felt she had (or was going to have) such a bad relationship with her children in the future that she would resort to having them sign a contract.
My MBA thinking - smart mother!!
My personal thinking - what a sad state of affairs that the mother did not have any contingent plan for her future than to hold her children 'hostage. Wasn't it a family run dental clinic they all worked at? Why would the children not want to help her out financially even in a meager way, since she helped them through school?'
Ahtman wrote: Gosh I wonder how such a wonderful person ended up divorced and with two kids that didn't want to have much to do with her. She sounds like a delight.
My first thought as well. This would not normally be an issue, especially in this culture unless she has some serious issues.
What kind of mother would take 60% of their childrens income like that? I mean, if she was really worried she could have had them sign a statement saying she could move in with one of them or be put in a nursing home of her choice. Instead she has taken 60% of the income of BOTH of her children as her own.
She was not worried about being taken care of later in life. This is greed.
2018/01/05 06:14:08
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Tue, harrd to build a a life when your losing 60% post tax income... does he have a family he has to feed and keep?
At least a girlfriend or wife, reading through this.
Well I doubt she going to getting cordial relationship with any grand children in future.
This ones a difficult one, he did sign but she asking for alot. 60% is over half his income to sustain his own family should there be one. Or at least a partner.
The article in the OP says 60% of net profit, not income. So supposedly that would be after living expenses.
60% of income sounds insane, 60% of net profit isn't too bad depending on how they define it.
2018/01/05 07:08:20
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
She sounds like a pain in the tooth. How awful, have to wonder what the root of the problem is, as she deserves the crown of awful mothers. Whole family needs to have a filling for that hole in their hearts!
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2018/01/05 09:55:44
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
The BBC article seems to say it wasn't 60% forever, but until they'd paid off the agreed "$1m (£710,000) for raising him and funding his dentistry training."
2018/01/06 00:08:26
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Tue, harrd to build a a life when your losing 60% post tax income... does he have a family he has to feed and keep?
At least a girlfriend or wife, reading through this.
Well I doubt she going to getting cordial relationship with any grand children in future.
This ones a difficult one, he did sign but she asking for alot. 60% is over half his income to sustain his own family should there be one. Or at least a partner.
The article in the OP says 60% of net profit, not income. So supposedly that would be after living expenses.
60% of income sounds insane, 60% of net profit isn't too bad depending on how they define it.
Indeed. One could easily fudge your numbers to minimize your profit. Of course its still a hilariously bad situation which says no good things about either person's character.
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Ahtman wrote: Gosh I wonder how such a wonderful person ended up divorced and with two kids that didn't want to have much to do with her. She sounds like a delight.
Or she's terrified of being homeless. Not enough info.
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2018/01/08 14:46:33
Subject: Court orders dentist to pay his own mother for raising him
Or she's terrified of being homeless. Not enough info.
I struggle to see demanding 60% of the income of two people as "terrified of being homeless". That's more like "terrified of losing the penthouse suite".
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