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Talking with a local GW person last night I mentioned that i am greatly anticipating plastic Sisters of Battle.

To my surprise he said at a store managers meeting/conference in October they brought them up. He said they told everyone that "We know plastic Sisters are one of the most asked for items, and while they cannot say anything right now, look to the Summer"

Has anyone else heard or seen this mentioned anywhere?

It gets mentioned now and again - most of us won;t beleive it anymore until we see evidence.

I don't know man, given the reaction of the community to the news yesterday I think the last thing GW is thinking about releasing is more 'power armour'.

The only thing I can offer is to confirm the Dark Imperium Boxed set is being killed off, and a new [as yet unknown to me] starter boxed set is coming out.

Unfortunately, it could just as easily be custodes vs deamons, but I think they've missed a trick with that one, so maybe it'll be a Summer Sister's Vs box.

I would love plastic Sisters of Battle. Saint Celestine has got to me my favourite release of last year. If we could have an army done to that standard, I’d be very happy.

If Dark Imperium is to be axed, does that mean that the core rulebook will finally go on sale as a solo product?

edit.

Derp, ignore that one.

Man... I really want to believe but... can't anybody post a leaked pic or something...? Like the one of the Primaris Marine nearly a year in advance that splited dakkadakka in half between "is legit" and "is a conversion"?

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
maybe it'll be a Summer Sister's Vs box.

That sounds like a Victoria's Secret product.

I don't think people will believe SOB rumors until they are holding the plastic models in their hands.

How reliable is the rumour that Dark Imperium will be discontinued and if true is there an ETA?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't know man, given the reaction of the community to the news yesterday I think the last thing GW is thinking about releasing is more 'power armour'.

If GW was inclined to lump the Sisters in with Space Marines they would have got their plastic kits a decade ago. The Sisters do wear power armour, but they offer something distinct that the Custodes do not. The game is inundated with all sorts of "the best abhuman freaks genetic engineering and surgery can buy," but the Sisters are the best humans. They are the battlefield representatives of the Imperial Faith. And they are women.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't know man, given the reaction of the community to the news yesterday I think the last thing GW is thinking about releasing is more 'power armour'.

Not really -it will depend on how AC sell.

Whatever else happens they will do more Space Marines - we still have wolfly wolf Wolves and their Primaris, plus likely Emperor's Children and World Eaters, plus Deathwatch, more Primaris etc etc

If they had been a bit more of a break between Imperial Codex's - ie mostly diferent coloured Marines it might have helped.

Don’t forget, when they teaser the Magnus release in the dumpster, they also mentioned plastic Sisters. No rule about when they have to be released...then again, that could have been in reference to St. Celestine.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Don’t forget, when they teaser the Magnus release in the dumpster, they also mentioned plastic Sisters. No rule about when they have to be released...then again, that could have been in reference to St. Celestine.

It was.

 AlexHolker wrote:
If GW was inclined to lump the Sisters in with Space Marines they would have got their plastic kits a decade ago. The Sisters do wear power armour, but they offer something distinct that the Custodes do not. The game is inundated with all sorts of "the best abhuman freaks genetic engineering and surgery can buy," but the Sisters are the best humans. They are the battlefield representatives of the Imperial Faith. And they are women.

I don't disagree, but y'know what's a LOT more distinctive and unique than women in power armour? Aliens. Rightly or wrongly, a SOB release will be seen as "more power armour" which I suspect will be very, very, very badly received.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really -it will depend on how AC sell.

Whatever else happens they will do more Space Marines - we still have wolfly wolf Wolves and their Primaris, plus likely Emperor's Children and World Eaters, plus Deathwatch, more Primaris etc etc

If they had been a bit more of a break between Imperial Codex's - ie mostly diferent coloured Marines it might have helped.

Again, I believe the backlash of the announcement yesterday will have GW reconsidering their release priorities. If it doesn't, they are not listening to their own customer base and they will no doubt suffer accordingly. Yes they have codexes to release, this isn't about codexes though, it's about new models. I suspect if the next kit release is anything other than a Xenos faction, there will be an incredibly negative reaction from a large proportion of the community. Something that GW will want to avoid I reckon.

GW does seem to be working on getting all armies a new codex out. They are mixing up releases without models and ones with models though.
Primaris Marines, well vanilla marines are both a seller, and provide a base for the various spin-offs, so lots of kits.
CSM could have used new kits, but it seems that GW used them as a base and is focusing on the 4 god specific legions first.
Grey Knights have a nearly full plastic range.
Death Guard were the other starter army and got a decent range of plastic kits.
IG/AM are nearly all plastic at this point (minus ratlings, some characters, and some advisors)
AdMech also could have used a few kits, but their range is entirely plastic.
Craftworlds really could have used new kits. But they are a major and popular xenos army, so got a codex to cover them.
Nids only need one or two kits and their range is entirely plastic.
BA and DA both use the new Vanilla marine kits as a base, and got a character each, and they are done.
DAemons are getting Nurgle kits to fill out their range.
Custodes are adding to the range to bring them up in uinit count.
Thousand Sons is just a codex with no new models, just repurposed ones.

After that, Tau and Necrons have nearly full plastic ranges, and could get away with a codex plus clampack or two.

Deathwatch and Space Wolves just need to add the primaris kits, and then likely a lieutenant plus upgrade sprue like the BA/DA

Dark Eldar are mostly plastic, but could use more characters and additions to the range.

Orks are popular, but need a decent number of kits in plastic.

Harlequins and Ynnari could both be expanded like Custodes into fuller ranges.

Legion of the Damned are not plastic at all, but could be merged into Imperial Agents with Sisters of Silence, Assassins, and Inquisition.

Angron, World Eaters, and some Khorne heralds/dogs seems like a likely codex later on.

Same with Fulgrim, Emperor's Children, Keeper of Secrets, and Slaaneshi kits.

Sisters of Battle have a great interest builder in Celestine, plus long term fans, but are an entire range from scratch.

Well he did say this was in October. He said the Managers all went nuts when they said it and it was a big thing.

I kinda find it hard to believe someone would not have said something sooner which is why I asked if it’s been mention before, but he just seemed so matter of fact and from what I can tell is a straight shooter.

GW would rather release 10 more codexes then a whole line of models that need revamped. I will believe it when I see it but after 4 years or so of waiting most people just bought / built/ converted/ or made an alternative sisters army. People have wanted them years ago... GW's response was *crickets* and now granted they do have the people's ear but their bottom line is why put all the money into making models when all they need to do is make a codex they can add 4-7 new pages to slap the filler from somewhere else and sell it for college text book prices... instant profit. No need to pay designers, sculptors, casters, etc... all of that costs them money. The more GW says they change the more they stay the same. Pile on the massive pile of books and supplements and call it a day. Hopefully Star Wars Legion will rock their socks off and make them have to go back to making models because something sure needs to.

I went all in on the Raging Heroes sci fi sisters army several years back. ANd it took them all of two years to fullfill their KS. But with it in hand they still beat GW to the punch.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
I don't know man, given the reaction of the community to the news yesterday I think the last thing GW is thinking about releasing is more 'power armour'.

Sisters of Battle have an absolute immunity to that except to the saltiest of fethwads.

No faction in the game is in more dire need of support than SoB (except Inquisition) and anyone who would begrudge them their first real releases in 20yrs isn't doing it because they're 'power armor' or 'Imperium' it's because they don't care about anything else but their faction getting new toys.

At that point it goes from (honestly at least somewhat righteous) indignation to full on selfishness.

I ONLY play SoB now that 8th has dropped and I have been waiting so long I've saved up 1200$ for release day and I wasn't even mad at custodes and I certainly wouldn't be mad if DE, Tau, Orkz, Nids, CWE, GSC, or w/e got their stuff first. (I'm no saint though, I'm gonna be irratated everytime new chaos stuff or marine stuff comes out but I let that go fairly quickly)

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
GW does seem to be working on getting all armies a new codex out. They are mixing up releases without models and ones with models though.
Primaris Marines, well vanilla marines are both a seller, and provide a base for the various spin-offs, so lots of kits.
CSM could have used new kits, but it seems that GW used them as a base and is focusing on the 4 god specific legions first.
Grey Knights have a nearly full plastic range.
Death Guard were the other starter army and got a decent range of plastic kits.
IG/AM are nearly all plastic at this point (minus ratlings, some characters, and some advisors)
AdMech also could have used a few kits, but their range is entirely plastic.
Craftworlds really could have used new kits. But they are a major and popular xenos army, so got a codex to cover them.
Nids only need one or two kits and their range is entirely plastic.
BA and DA both use the new Vanilla marine kits as a base, and got a character each, and they are done.
DAemons are getting Nurgle kits to fill out their range.
Custodes are adding to the range to bring them up in uinit count.
Thousand Sons is just a codex with no new models, just repurposed ones.

After that, Tau and Necrons have nearly full plastic ranges, and could get away with a codex plus clampack or two.

Deathwatch and Space Wolves just need to add the primaris kits, and then likely a lieutenant plus upgrade sprue like the BA/DA

Dark Eldar are mostly plastic, but could use more characters and additions to the range.

Orks are popular, but need a decent number of kits in plastic.

Harlequins and Ynnari could both be expanded like Custodes into fuller ranges.

Legion of the Damned are not plastic at all, but could be merged into Imperial Agents with Sisters of Silence, Assassins, and Inquisition.

Angron, World Eaters, and some Khorne heralds/dogs seems like a likely codex later on.

Same with Fulgrim, Emperor's Children, Keeper of Secrets, and Slaaneshi kits.

Sisters of Battle have a great interest builder in Celestine, plus long term fans, but are an entire range from scratch.

I think this is a pretty good assessment of the state of play. Depending on your echo chamber of choice, the Custodes either caused a huge backlash caused by the crushing disappointment of more power armour, or was greater with whoops of joy by the majority of players who love all things Imperium. According to some reported conversations from people who were at the open day, the motivation for expanding the Custodes line was how well the first kit has sold. Time will tell if the rest of the range sells well too (although I suspect it will).

At this point I can understand the players of many seemingly neglected armies wanting new releases. I don’t think they’re going to get them though. Jes Goodwin himself said in his last Warhammer TV interview, that many older ranges are pretty much finished and the designers are interested in making new things, not just new versions of old things. If I remember correctly, the last time a fine cast infantry kit (ie not a character) was simply replaced with an identical plastic one, was the Dark Eldar wracks. That was how many years ago now? There was the Harlequins, but that was more about expanding what was pretty much a single unit and a couple of characters into a full blown army with their own vehicles etc. GW’s apparent unwillingness to repeat the process with aspect warriors and such like, might be an indication that they just don’t think it’ll be worth the cost.

That leaves Sisters in the position of being not exactly new, but old metal minis being something that GW is probably less enthusiastic about keeping in production than resin ones. Saint Celestine was very well received on the whole and has renewed interest in the Sororitas. I’d say it’s a near certainty that we will get plastic Sisters of Battle eventually, and probably before we get plastic aspect warriors or Astra Militarum that don’t look awful.

angel of death 007 wrote:
GW would rather release 10 more codexes then a whole line of models that need revamped. I will believe it when I see it but after 4 years or so of waiting most people just bought / built/ converted/ or made an alternative sisters army. People have wanted them years ago... GW's response was *crickets* and now granted they do have the people's ear but their bottom line is why put all the money into making models when all they need to do is make a codex they can add 4-7 new pages to slap the filler from somewhere else and sell it for college text book prices... instant profit. No need to pay designers, sculptors, casters, etc... all of that costs them money. The more GW says they change the more they stay the same. Pile on the massive pile of books and supplements and call it a day. Hopefully Star Wars Legion will rock their socks off and make them have to go back to making models because something sure needs to.

I highly doubt the books make as much profit as you think they do. Individual margins may be fantastic, but players only ever need 1 and they're dead easy to pirate/go without (you can easily get by with battlescribe and a detailed review video. It's a roll of the dice at tournies but you can do it.)

I think the main profit of books is when they get people to buy more/different models to fill out their forces, and SoB won't have that bump anymore. People who played SoB in seventh bought most of the models in the book for the two main army builds at the time, and everything that wasn't good then is good now.

And I doubt you follow the webstore for SoB much but they've been selling at or near their production capacity (very very small relative to plastic stuff) for months. Even if a book DID increase sales, they couldn't meet demand without adding pewter casting equipment(which they don't want).

MonkeyBallistic, Plague Marines were finecast. The same for Beasts of Nurgle. GW is still redoing old finecast infantry, etc... with new Plastic sprues.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Again, I believe the backlash of the announcement yesterday will have GW reconsidering their release priorities. If it doesn't, they are not listening to their own customer base and they will no doubt suffer accordingly. Yes they have codexes to release, this isn't about codexes though, it's about new models. I suspect if the next kit release is anything other than a Xenos faction, there will be an incredibly negative reaction from a large proportion of the community. Something that GW will want to avoid I reckon.

You realize right that the backlash can have ZERO EFFECT to the summer release? Those were decided already like half a year ago! By now basically entire this year's schedule is decided and rolling along. It would be way too late to change because of what happened this weekend. ESPECIALLY next release. Hah! What? You think they are going to release NOTHING next just to postpone next release for later to avoid further backlash? You realize how much nothing to release next release slot would cost them in terms of money? Too much for it to be worth it. Even if it would be possible which it likely isn't.

It's not like GW is sitting on bunch of releases thinking "what to release next week?" and somehow get all the decided releases in stores in ready. Oh no. They have large lead times. While they have SOME leeway generally things don't get changed on a whim as it costs bloody lot of money to do so.

 Galas wrote:
MonkeyBallistic, Plague Marines were finecast. The same for Beasts of Nurgle. GW is still redoing old finecast infantry, etc... with new Plastic sprues.

They also like adding new weapon options/dual kits when they update them as well, so it isn't a direct update.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Galas wrote:
MonkeyBallistic, Plague Marines were finecast. The same for Beasts of Nurgle. GW is still redoing old finecast infantry, etc... with new Plastic sprues.

They also like adding new weapon options/dual kits when they update them as well, so it isn't a direct update.

Yeah, to "force" people to buy new kits. But as long as they don't make ilegal the old options I'm fine with that.

This "backlash" won't stop them selling a lot of gold UberMarines and gold spray. So I don't think a few days of internet noise will affect anything much or affect likelihood of any particular releases.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
If GW was inclined to lump the Sisters in with Space Marines they would have got their plastic kits a decade ago. The Sisters do wear power armour, but they offer something distinct that the Custodes do not. The game is inundated with all sorts of "the best abhuman freaks genetic engineering and surgery can buy," but the Sisters are the best humans. They are the battlefield representatives of the Imperial Faith. And they are women.

I don't disagree, but y'know what's a LOT more distinctive and unique than women in power armour? Aliens. Rightly or wrongly, a SOB release will be seen as "more power armour" which I suspect will be very, very, very badly received.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Not really -it will depend on how AC sell.

Whatever else happens they will do more Space Marines - we still have wolfly wolf Wolves and their Primaris, plus likely Emperor's Children and World Eaters, plus Deathwatch, more Primaris etc etc

If they had been a bit more of a break between Imperial Codex's - ie mostly diferent coloured Marines it might have helped.

Again, I believe the backlash of the announcement yesterday will have GW reconsidering their release priorities. If it doesn't, they are not listening to their own customer base and they will no doubt suffer accordingly. Yes they have codexes to release, this isn't about codexes though, it's about new models. I suspect if the next kit release is anything other than a Xenos faction, there will be an incredibly negative reaction from a large proportion of the community. Something that GW will want to avoid I reckon.

Look at the models GW sells again and then tell me with a straight face that aliens are more 'distinctive and unique' within the context of 40k than women. Aliens are a dime a dozen, women are exceedingly rare.

And like I said before, anybody who has the audacity to begrudge a sisters of battle release on the grounds of "they got theirs before I got mine" is just being cruel.

 Galas wrote:
MonkeyBallistic, Plague Marines were finecast. The same for Beasts of Nurgle. GW is still redoing old finecast infantry, etc... with new Plastic sprues.

True, but my point was more about replacing finecast minis with plastic that looks exactly the same. The Death Guard release is more like the Harlequins in that they’ve been, to some extent, redesigned and vastly expanded upon. That’s very different from just making plastic Howling Bansees which look just like the resin Howling Banshees. I understand that some people want that, I just don’t think they’re going to get it.

If they redo aspect warriors in Plastic they will have a strong change in aesthetic but respecting the originals, I agree, just like with Plague Marines.

That will mean, many people will hate the new sculpts. But that always happen. Thats why personally, even waiting for Sisters of Battle, I have mentalized myself with the fact that, probably, they will look very different to what they look now. Or maybe not? Because Celestine is very conservative. I'll prefer that approach. But they can redesign some units like the Repentia, and do with them what they did with the DE Mandrakes.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
The only thing I can offer is to confirm the Dark Imperium Boxed set is being killed off, and a new [as yet unknown to me] starter boxed set is coming out.

Unfortunately, it could just as easily be custodes vs deamons, but I think they've missed a trick with that one, so maybe it'll be a Summer Sister's Vs box.

Any wanna buy 34 "box" halves? Start a brand new "box" army for cheap!

For real though this would be totally amazing AND syncs up with some older rumors I've heard.


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 Galas wrote:
If they redo aspect warriors in Plastic they will have a strong change in aesthetic but respecting the originals, I agree, just like with Plague Marines.

That will mean, many people will hate the new sculpts. But that always happen. Thats why personally, even waiting for Sisters of Battle, I have mentalized myself with the fact that, probably, they will look very different to what they look now. Or maybe not? Because Celestine is very conservative. I'll prefer that approach. But they can redesign some units like the Repentia, and do with them what they did with the DE Mandrakes.

The new Celestine model is so fantastic in that regard. I recognized her INSTANTLY as Celestine and then spent a while going over all the stuff that carried over from the old one and how they modernized it without losing the soul of what made her Celestine.

Love that model.

What they should do is bring sisters back down to a custodes/sisters of silence/deathwatch level army, function as an allied force mainly, and in doing this release a battle sisters kit. Then slowly expand over the years to bring them back up to a full army standard, like they are starting to do with custodes. Plastic basic sisters will sell well as many people will want them (even I would, and I detest sisters mainly because of whinging sisters players) and just start working from there.

It will appease the fans, long term sisters players will be able to play and expand their army with the new kit and the index and then just start the process of completely updating the army from there on a slow burn.