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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine





Dayton OH

I'm still dipping my toes in the water so to speak with 8th edition 40k. It seems promising but I have to wonder if I'm just throwing more money down the hole. I get enraged with them pulling the rug out from under me every few years and making me buy new stuff again. (Been in this game 23 years) So I'm into 8th ed now for the Dark Imperium set, as well as codexes for Space Marines, Blood Angels, Eldar, Chaos Marines, and Imperial Guard. Also a few boxes of Primaris guys, because they're good at getting my money.
What really got me though was the prices for individual plastic character models. I paid like $30 for a single BA jump pack chaplain. I work around the plastic industry and believe me, it isn't 30 cents worth of material.
I came home and was putting stuff away when I came across one of my EBay purchases from awhile back. A rogue trader/2nd edition metal techmarine, still in the blister pack. There's also an Imperial commisar in the same pack for some reason.
The 90s price tag for this model? $5.50
I'm not saying they should give em away but it's hard not to feel a little bit angry. I swear there are less expensive drug habits I could take up.




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Decrepit Dakkanaut





The Battle Barge Buffet Line

Yeah, they're ridiculous. They're typically monopose one or two half size sprue models with at best one or two extra bits and they're charging as much as they used to for 5-10 models from the 3rd-5th edition eras. I wouldn't mind getting a few if they were at most $15 but double that is ridiculous IMO. I've stayed away and focues instead on buying character models from the secondary market instead.

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Norn Queen






Dublin, Ireland

More lunacy:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Vampire-Counts-Blood-Knights

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Vargheists-2016

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Tyranid-Biovore

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Mek-Gunz-Traktor-Kannon

Leaving aside the basic € VS PPM, I mean the biovore isnt even a decent looking model (And I love my Nids).



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By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.

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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'





Dorset, England

It is swings and roundabouts though. I remember paying £12 for 10 Ork boys 18 years ago now, and at this present moment they cost a grand total of £18!
Not to mention the wealth of customisation options available in the current kit compared to the old one.

So yes they can gouge you on some things, but they do have bargains in there still (the start collecting sets for one!).
   
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Legendary Master of the Chapter






They can do it because they are pretty much the only game in town. (for the very specific scifi and fantasy niche)

It wont get better any time soon.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

 Desubot wrote:
They can do it because they are pretty much the only game in town. (for the very specific scifi and fantasy niche)

It wont get better any time soon.



It won't as long as people keep buying. Every consumer makes a determination whether it is worth it for him or herself. In my case, it's a no. I don't play regularly because of the mess of 6th/7th editions (and 8th edition while not bad isn't good enough to convince me to come back) so I don't need the latest and greatest.

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 Kroem wrote:
It is swings and roundabouts though. I remember paying £12 for 10 Ork boys 18 years ago now, and at this present moment they cost a grand total of £18!
Not to mention the wealth of customisation options available in the current kit compared to the old one.

So yes they can gouge you on some things, but they do have bargains in there still (the start collecting sets for one!).


That same box of Ork boyz had 16 models in it too. The modern one has 11.

Remember when Cadians came 20 to a box?

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 warboss wrote:
 Desubot wrote:
They can do it because they are pretty much the only game in town. (for the very specific scifi and fantasy niche)

It wont get better any time soon.



It won't as long as people keep buying. Every consumer makes a determination whether it is worth it for him or herself.


Pretty much. GW is willing to test what the market will bear, and enough of their market share has the disposable income to afford it, price be damned.

For me, $45 CAN for a Primaris character is too high a watermark, I'll convert characters from Dark Imperium instead. I'd be willing to spend $30 CAN for 1-2 models per army if they're really spiffy and hard to convert up, but that's about the limit.

   
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Dallas area, TX

I never buy individual characters. It's cheaper just to buy a box of similar models and convert. It is also adds more character to your army

   
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 Galef wrote:
I never buy individual characters. It's cheaper just to buy a box of similar models and convert. It is also adds more character to your army


This one. I don't think I've bought a character box in years.

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Boom! Leman Russ Commander




New Zealand

You think your prices are bad? Go to the GW site and change your shipping address to New Zealand then start browsing the madness.

The new big Nurgle daemon is almost $300. A single Primaris Lieutenant is $45, for a single space marine model.

Needless to say kiwi wargamers do quite a bit of business in China.

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Dorset, England

 Grimtuff wrote:
 Kroem wrote:
It is swings and roundabouts though. I remember paying £12 for 10 Ork boys 18 years ago now, and at this present moment they cost a grand total of £18!
Not to mention the wealth of customisation options available in the current kit compared to the old one.

So yes they can gouge you on some things, but they do have bargains in there still (the start collecting sets for one!).


That same box of Ork boyz had 16 models in it too. The modern one has 11.

Remember when Cadians came 20 to a box?

Did it really? Haha I forgot that bit.

I remember my friend refusing to buy plastic models because they felt too light so he had to pay through the nose for all his Catachans!
   
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard






Newcastle, OZ

Eldar wraithguard are one of the few products that have gone DOWN in price.

When I got my initial 5, back in the late 90s, they were approx $15AUD each, in metal. So $75 for the "unit". Another $5 for a pack of 5 40mm bases to update them (because they were always falling over on 25mm bases anyway).

Current AUD retail for the box of 5 in plastic is:$55AUD.

It's the only comparator I have, since I haven't bought anything new from GW since 2013.

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

That is not dead which can eternal lie ...

... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




The clamshell pack characters are expensive, but to me its less the price itself, I'd pay that for a character - but not a monopose one with maybe an alternative head or weapon arm - I want something that if I have four of in an army will all be assembled differently enough they cannot be visually identified as the same model.

The old "Orc warbles, foot and mounted" type model for example where the price feels decent value, or decent enough.

Not paying that price for what looks like a starter set model
   
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Legendary Master of the Chapter






Eh dunno monopose doesn't exactly bother me

they often look good enough and occasionally come with some extra customization options

its only a pain when it comes to multiples in your army.


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
 Scott-S6 wrote:
And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




 Desubot wrote:
Eh dunno monopose doesn't exactly bother me

they often look good enough and occasionally come with some extra customization options

its only a pain when it comes to multiples in your army.



Depends on the model, I can tolerate them as special characters who will be one off models - but not as generic captions, officers, heroes etc - just because I want multiples with the armies I tend to run, the monopose ones should be in addition to, not instead of
   
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Texas

This is the best explanation i have seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivgmMFA3UP8


Basically, they price units off the amount you are likely to field in a game. More units is a lower price, a single unit is a much higher price.

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 MarsNZ wrote:
You think your prices are bad? Go to the GW site and change your shipping address to New Zealand then start browsing the madness.

The new big Nurgle daemon is almost $300. A single Primaris Lieutenant is $45, for a single space marine model.

Needless to say kiwi wargamers do quite a bit of business in China.


Ah New Zealand, the only region with worse pricing than Australia.
   
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 Brotherjulian wrote:
What really got me though was the prices for individual plastic character models. I paid like $30 for a single BA jump pack chaplain. I work around the plastic industry and believe me, it isn't 30 cents worth of material.


Well apart from usual GW extra price hike these also suffer's from GW's fixation in "everything must be plastic". Even kits you don't expect to sell as much as basic grunts so when static expenses are same whether you sell 1 or 10000000 sprues guess how costs needs to be compensated...

The moment GW decided they won't in future produce anything but plastic this was inevitable.

2024 painted/bought: 109/109 
   
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tneva82 wrote:
 Brotherjulian wrote:
What really got me though was the prices for individual plastic character models. I paid like $30 for a single BA jump pack chaplain. I work around the plastic industry and believe me, it isn't 30 cents worth of material.


Well apart from usual GW extra price hike these also suffer's from GW's fixation in "everything must be plastic". Even kits you don't expect to sell as much as basic grunts so when static expenses are same whether you sell 1 or 10000000 sprues guess how costs needs to be compensated...

The moment GW decided they won't in future produce anything but plastic this was inevitable.


Other companies manage to make kits in the same hard plastic with the same low volume expectations and manage to price them better than GW. GW has the benefit of tooling and casting in house as well, while other companies outsource to places like Warlord for that, which increases the overall cost.
   
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 Brotherjulian wrote:
I'm still dipping my toes in the water so to speak with 8th edition 40k. It seems promising but I have to wonder if I'm just throwing more money down the hole. I get enraged with them pulling the rug out from under me every few years and making me buy new stuff again. (Been in this game 23 years) So I'm into 8th ed now for the Dark Imperium set, as well as codexes for Space Marines, Blood Angels, Eldar, Chaos Marines, and Imperial Guard. Also a few boxes of Primaris guys, because they're good at getting my money.
What really got me though was the prices for individual plastic character models. I paid like $30 for a single BA jump pack chaplain. I work around the plastic industry and believe me, it isn't 30 cents worth of material.
I came home and was putting stuff away when I came across one of my EBay purchases from awhile back. A rogue trader/2nd edition metal techmarine, still in the blister pack. There's also an Imperial commisar in the same pack for some reason.
The 90s price tag for this model? $5.50
I'm not saying they should give em away but it's hard not to feel a little bit angry. I swear there are less expensive drug habits I could take up.


Really... You work around the plastic industry? What part of it? Let me guess; judging by your nescient comment... Raw material supplier. FYI; there's quite a bit more to it than just the cost of the plastic material.
   
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Eldar Guardians used to be in boxes of twenty. Orks in 16, guardsmen in 20...

There was once a TWO PACK of Rhino's would you believe, that retailed for less than on Rhino these days. Ah... The old days...

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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard






Newcastle, OZ

THREE pack of Rhinos, actually.

TWO pack of Land Raiders.

The Rhinos were the same for a box as RTB001 marines were ($30AUD at the time).

I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.

That is not dead which can eternal lie ...

... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
 
   
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The Battle Barge Buffet Line

 chromedog wrote:
THREE pack of Rhinos, actually.

TWO pack of Land Raiders.

The Rhinos were the same for a box as RTB001 marines were ($30AUD at the time).


At that point we're entering apples and oranges territory. The models you're both describing were vastly different in size and quality so a price comparison isn't particularly accurate. Comparing for instance the fully featured multiple larger sprue poseable space marine captain with gobs of bits to a monopose primaris Lt though isn't.

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Los Angeles

 Brotherjulian wrote:
I get enraged with them pulling the rug out from under me every few years and making me buy new stuff again. (Been in this game 23 years) So I'm into 8th ed now for the Dark Imperium set, as well as codexes for Space Marines, Blood Angels, Eldar, Chaos Marines, and Imperial Guard. Also a few boxes of Primaris guys, because they're good at getting my money.


Part of the problem with GW's pricing can be explained by the behavior quoted above.

Per your own admission you still willingly buy the new stuff at prices you don't like. You aren't alone. There are thousands of us doing that. So, why would GW change? We gripe about pricing, then a new edition or new models are released and we fall over ourselves to buy it all up. Rinse and repeat edition after edition.

So who is really insane here? GW? Or us, the customers, who engage in the same behavior over and over again expecting different results?




   
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Powerful Phoenix Lord





This is why they should have kept using metals for character models where applicable.

Easy, cheap, quick turn-around, many more "limited editions" available. People who didn't game when metals were popular might not be aware of how many random miniatures GW put out, almost monthly, because of how easy it is to mass-produce metal figures.

GW's prices don't bug me...if I don't like something, I don't buy it. My nerves are grated a bit though by the wild inconsistencies within their line-up. While GW and others have explained why they choose to do it, it's tough to compare the "great deals" with the "go feth yourself" models.

For example: Betrayal at Calth, or Burning of Prospero = fantastic and reasonable, borderline really good value. $30-35-40 single figure in plastic? Get stuffed GW.
   
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York, PA USA

Had a chance to shop in a local store with free credit, so not my money going out. Looked at the new Necromunda sets- $40 for a 10 model box. But I play fantasy so I looked at the witch elves set. $80 for a 10 model box. So newer sets are getting cheaper, but if you fancy and older kit you are pretty much out of luck.
   
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It's called "customer perceived value". Asmodee is doing this now with its games, such as FFG. Essentially, GW products are the Gucci handbags of the gaming industry. Some people think they're somehow worth the price, others don't.

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 Brotherjulian wrote:
What really got me though was the prices for individual plastic character models. I paid like $30 for a single BA jump pack chaplain. I work around the plastic industry and believe me, it isn't 30 cents worth of material.
Didn't used to be like that. When the first wave of single-frame plastic miniatures came out I was very supportive of them. Even bought all of them despite not playing Warhammer.

Things have gone downhill dramatically since then, with the price of single characters just through the roof now.


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 -Loki- wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Brotherjulian wrote:
What really got me though was the prices for individual plastic character models. I paid like $30 for a single BA jump pack chaplain. I work around the plastic industry and believe me, it isn't 30 cents worth of material.


Well apart from usual GW extra price hike these also suffer's from GW's fixation in "everything must be plastic". Even kits you don't expect to sell as much as basic grunts so when static expenses are same whether you sell 1 or 10000000 sprues guess how costs needs to be compensated...

The moment GW decided they won't in future produce anything but plastic this was inevitable.


Other companies manage to make kits in the same hard plastic with the same low volume expectations and manage to price them better than GW. GW has the benefit of tooling and casting in house as well, while other companies outsource to places like Warlord for that, which increases the overall cost.


So what company sells plastic character models they expect to sell less sprues than others in same prices to sprues they can expect to sell like hundreds of times more?

And not saying there's no extra price hike but expecting both standard infantry and HQ models to cost what 2£ a model is pipe dream.

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